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Court rules in favour of Waterford Crystal workers

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    #482
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Put this in ye're pipe & take a good long puff on it!

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0121/674671-politcians/


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    #483
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    7upfree wrote: »
    Are you still here?:D

    The bailout will justify things for eons.

    the bailout justifies nothing.. to think otherwise is pure stupidity


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    #484
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Put this in ye're pipe & take a good long puff on it!

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0121/674671-politcians/

    ??? why???

    again what has that to do with WC pensions.....

    when this is your type of argument to justify you robbing money hey... go for it


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    #485
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    robtri wrote: »
    ??? why???

    again what has that to do with WC pensions.....

    when this is your type of argument to justify you robbing money hey... go for it

    Lol! The blinkered outlook towards true WC workers here knows NO bounds really.


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    #486
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    The guy that dodged vat got 7 years. Some rapist got 12 months suspended therefore I can rape people. That is the level of your argument


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    #487
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    The guy that dodged vat got 7 years. Some rapist got 12 months suspended therefore I can rape people. That is the level of your argument

    What is this "level" you speak of? Bankers and developers raped this country. Some are even still being paid a wage by NAMA. I applaud the WC workers on a truly deserved victory for the ordinary worker.

    And f*** the begrudgers.


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    #488
    fiachr_a
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    Did they get that money yet?


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    #489
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    Did they get that money yet?

    March I think?


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    #490
    Guramoogah
    Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Guramoogah


    This has all gone very quiet ... have the ex-Waterford Crystal workers received any money yet?


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    #491
    dlnv27
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    No sign of anything yet. As usual If you owe money they grab it from you but when you're owed money you have to nearly beg to get it.


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    #492
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im wondering will they ever get it. diabolical behaviour from all responsible


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    #493
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    This is absolutely shocking. The formula was agreed in January, they gave themselves two months to get it sorted and now, five months later nothing is done? I hate playing the victim card but if this was Cork, Dublin or Galway Crystal the workers would have had their money the week after the decision was made or they would at least have received an interim payment. Where is the outrage from our local TDs? (I know... where are our local TDs... full stop.)


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    #494
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Deise Vu wrote: »
    This is absolutely shocking. The formula was agreed in January, they gave themselves two months to get it sorted and now, five months later nothing is done? I hate playing the victim card but if this was Cork, Dublin or Galway Crystal the workers would have had their money the week after the decision was made or they would at least have received an interim payment. Where is the outrage from our local TDs? (I know... where are our local TDs... full stop.)

    This isn't true


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    #495
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    This isn't true

    Have you got a rational explanation for the delay then other than 'couldn't give a ****' ?


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    #496
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    The way WC shut down was very messy so I'd say it's to do with that.

    The reason for it shutting down has nothing to do with what would happen to the workers after it shut down if the plant was in a different Irish city than Waterford though.


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    #497
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    The way WC shut down was very messy so I'd say it's to do with that.

    The reason for it shutting down has nothing to do with what would happen to the workers after it shut down if the plant was in a different Irish city than Waterford though.

    Do you actually know the issue we are talking about here? The workers won a case against the Govt for pensions and compensation. It was agreed in January that it would be paid by March. That has absolutely nothing to do with a messy closure and everything to do with some Govt jobsworth not getting the finger out.


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    #498
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Deise Vu wrote: »
    I hate playing the victim card but if this was Cork, Dublin or Galway Crystal the workers would have had their money the week after the decision was made
    Deise Vu wrote: »
    Do you actually know the issue we are talking about here? The workers won a case against the Govt for pensions and compensation. It was agreed in January that it would be paid by March. That has absolutely nothing to do with a messy closure and everything to do with some Govt jobsworth not getting the finger out.

    yes yes but that's got nothing to do with if the company was based in any of our other cities


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    #499
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    yes yes but that's got nothing to do with if the company was based in any of our other cities

    If it happened anywhere else but Waterford there would be a minister kicking arses to get the money paid. I can't prove that no more than you can disprove it. Mine is a deeply held conviction going back to the mid 80's. When Digital closed their operation in Galway, the Govt changed the rules about redundancy tax relief that had been in place since the 60's in response to workers complaints that their extremely generous packages were being taxed too much (they weren't!). They also set up a task force that had Boston Scientific brought in within a few months of the closure. You just can't beat having ministers in your pocket.


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    #500
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Deise Vu wrote: »
    If it happened anywhere else but Waterford there would be a minister kicking arses to get the money paid. I can't prove that no more than you can disprove it. Mine is a deeply held conviction going back to the mid 80's. When Digital closed their operation in Galway, the Govt changed the rules about redundancy tax relief that had been in place since the 60's in response to workers complaints that their extremely generous packages were being taxed too much (they weren't!). They also set up a task force that had Boston Scientific brought in within a few months of the closure. You just can't beat having ministers in your pocket.

    you do make very good points alright. waterford is dreadfully represented at the moment. its very worrying. the way the workers are being treated in this is dreadful. im sure some are waiting on this money to pay mortgages and what not


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    #501
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    The way WC shut down was very messy so I'd say it's to do with that.

    The reason for it shutting down has nothing to do with what would happen to the workers after it shut down if the plant was in a different Irish city than Waterford though.

    Have to disagree. It is COMPLETELY different. Waterford is - and has been, miserably represented.


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    #502
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Waterford has the same amount of TD's as similar sized areas so you're represented fairly similar to other areas.

    Yes you don't have a minister but I think you did have one around the time WC closed down, and did for most of the 00's, granted he resigned not long after but he was there.


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    #503
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Waterford has the same amount of TD's as similar sized areas so you're represented fairly similar to other areas.

    Yes you don't have a minister but I think you did have one around the time WC closed down, and did for most of the 00's, granted he resigned not long after but he was there.

    We did. And he was one of the better ones. But in the main, Waterford has been disgracefully represented. Look at the current three......


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    #504
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    7upfree wrote: »
    We did. And he was one of the better ones. But in the main, Waterford has been disgracefully represented. Look at the current three......

    Not to worry!
    From now on every worker in the country will be chipping in from their meagre wages to ensure that the overpaid Glass workers, (who thought the world owed them a living, and that the market for their baubles would bear any price they cared to dream up) can live in the style they had become accustomed to.


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    #505
    johnsparkexile
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭johnsparkexile


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Not to worry!
    From now on every worker in the country will be chipping in from their meagre wages to ensure that the overpaid Glass workers, (who thought the world owed them a living, and that the market for their baubles would bear any price they cared to dream up) can live in the style they had become accustomed to.


    With the exception of the 40 who died since 2009 while waiting for the Government ( both past and present) to honour their commitments under EU law to put in place pension legislation to protect workers rights.


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    #506
    Triangla
    Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Not to worry!
    From now on every worker in the country will be chipping in from their meagre wages to ensure that the overpaid Glass workers, (who thought the world owed them a living, and that the market for their baubles would bear any price they cared to dream up) can live in the style they had become accustomed to.

    How much were these workers being paid to say you would describe them as overpaid? In your opinion how much should they have been paid?

    You must know them all personally to know their thoughts that the world owed them a living.

    You must also know them all quite well to make a statement about knowing the style they are living in.

    They were awarded something under rules that govern every pension scheme in the country, not just Waterford Crystal.


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    #507
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Not to worry!
    From now on every worker in the country will be chipping in from their meagre wages to ensure that the overpaid Glass workers, (who thought the world owed them a living, and that the market for their baubles would bear any price they cared to dream up) can live in the style they had become accustomed to.

    chippity chip chip!

    pay them already!


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    #508
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    The problem with Waterford is that no-one brags about coming from there. If it was Kilkenny/Donegal/Kerry Crystal that closed down they would get treated better.


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    #509
    Wanderer2010
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    ^ I dont understand that post at all....what difference does it make where the Crystal factory was located? At the end of the day they have had to fight for years for what was legally theirs, a pension, just like all other workers public and private have paid into. I certainly am proud to be from here, we have lovely beaches, a beautiful inner city, fine dining, very friendly people and lots of potential what with the airport, Winterval festivals etc. We are finally getting back on our feet. But the issue here is the pensions, why shouldnt the workers get what they paid into? They have had to jump hoops for years just to get heard.


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    #510
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    The problem with Waterford is that no-one brags about coming from there. If it was Kilkenny/Donegal/Kerry Crystal that closed down they would get treated better.

    hahaha strange posts as always!


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    #511
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    The problem with Waterford is that no-one brags about coming from there.

    Nothing could be further from the actual truth.


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