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is there such a thing as a selfless act?
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28-04-2013 6:47pm#1so you sit there thinking you know what's what
you know what's right and what is not
but i have something to make you think
a lot can happen the moment you blink..
so you help an old lady cross the road
cause you know it's the right thing to do
but what if i told you that helping the old
was all and only about you.
what ?you ask (with a questioned mind)
"i did it to help her" you say,
no way that this is all about me,
your so wrong, there's no possible way.
i ask you "how did it make you feel?",
you answer "it made me feel good",
i ask you "so the reason you did what you did,
is because you knew that you should",
"that's exactly the reason" you say with a smile
"plus it may help to better her day"
i ask you "what would it matter to you
to help in any old way?,
why do you want to make the old girl
have happiness in her day?"
now snappy you cry
"i don't understand what you are trying say?"
i say
"the only reason you helped was to add happiness to
'your' day"
"nonsense" you say with a frustrated look,"now how can
that possibly be,when all that i did was for the old
girl and in no way was it for me?"
again i must ask
"how did it feel to help the lass cross
the road?"
"it felt good like it should now bother me not you
horrible little toad"
"the anger you're feeling is due to your reeling as you
know the truth deep down inside and to think you can
hide it in some way you've denied it,
to yourself is to whom you have lied"
"you met a man hungry on the side of the road and so
gave him a piece of bread and with that he thanked you
for your kind heart and your hunger for approval was fed",
"enough" you scream "what a terrible thing,that you
think me so shallow inside"
"why should it matter how i think of you?"
'again behind anger you hide'
"how can this be that it's all about me when i thought i
was doing what's right?"
"morals" i say "this is the way that you have been
trained to think",right
from wrong does not exist, the whole thing simply
stinks of learning's misguided
from nature divided
as i have long come to think,
think of the monkey helping its friend by picking those
horrible fleas,
why you may ask would it groom its mate when that really
isn't much fun?
but the instinct for survival makes all
of us tribal as the many outnumber the one..
so you wake in the morning and take a deep breath and
think of how your day may go,
you think of your partner the one you so love,
i ask you is this how it goes?
"you tell them "i love you" but what are you saying,just
think about this for a bit,you are saying you feel good
when you think of them"
now the proverbial bulb has lit,
"no no, i can send them my love each day"
"so, you think this is still about your friend?"
again :"what is love but a feeling 'you' get,
it's all about you in the end..
so what now?do i go out and let them all suffer as i
take all that i want?
you could but what if you need their help and they were
to think the same way,
how could you get by,how could you
live,how could you pass the day,
giving is selfish but yet it is logic as when you give
you shall receive and this is the secret of how to
survive without the emotional disease,
those feelings you have of loss and pain
from things you'd rather forget
are all because you wanted much more than you gave
and this you now regret,
you had someone you loved so much
yet they caused you so much pain
'cause they never did things the way you want,
they lived for what they could gain
and in some cases the opposite true
where you were the one who caused hurt ,
are you to blame for playing this game
where your desire brought nothing but pain?
the pain it is brought
as the other had sought
for you to entertain
the way they were thinking
and not what you thought
but you both were doing the same..
apply this to life
to give husband or wife
all of their hopes and dreams
and ensure that they know
how the game truly goes
so both may partake of the dream.
speaking of 'dreams',
"are you ready for this?"
you exist in a state of subconscious bliss
where all that you think is so real,
is nothing more than fantasy
created from desire to feel..
your world is nothing but a dream you have and those
thoughts that fly by become real,
entirely based upon what you believe and how at that
moment you feel,
now there you sit with a pain in your head from trying
to absorb all of this,
i will try to be as clear as i can and i hope there are
points i don't miss,
once upon a time a scientist delved
deep into what this all is
and so fired some atoms
through two slits which led to
the greatest quiz,
the atoms thought matter,
solid and proud should produce
two lines on the shielded surround
as marbles would do
if they went through the same
but alas the result would
drive us insane,
instead of two lines
there were far too many
and this could not be
it was quite uncanny
so equations were met
with unending plight
as they tried to shed
that proverbial light
decided it was that
they look up close
and see what the photon
was doing the most
and to their surprise
once they had applied eyes,
the particle did what it should,
"two lines"
"What" they shreid and with such denied
that this could happen at all
so they stopped observing and sure enough,
many lines were back on the wall
so they tried again many times
with particles of all kinds
and when observed would do as they should
and when not there were too many lines,
our world is compiled of these tiny things
and must therefore be the same,
what we thought was solid and set in it's way
was nothing but some kind of game,
our reality is based upon
what we may think and is real
from experiences had,
from perspective based upon
logical beliefs(if you've read this far,not bad :P)
all experience is based on perception
through logical thinking you've sived,
yet all logic gained is from your perspective
on a life you think you have lived,
i think of a friend and
soon the phone rings
and sure enough it is them
or a song on the radio
or a rainy day or a sickness,
now go get a pen
all of these thoughts
you have spent in each day
will come to be in some form or way,
so write them down,
those thoughts that fleet
and not the ones you want to meet,
i mean those thoughts
that happen in passing
or when vacant stares
become like dreams,
all of these are in the subconscious
and this is where it happens
or so it seems,
it has to do with your belief,
can you accept this powerful grief?,
can you let go of all you have learned
and accept the truth of which
so long you have yearned?
for most this simply is too much
and so the dreams continue,
where fleeting thoughts and sleeping dreams
make all that you will have
but if you can look at this right
you will set yourself free
of life long plights
and painful memories
and now
here is the key,
the ego
what's this you say,what could it be?
or maybe you know it well
but i am here to tell you
that a deeper shadow doth dwell,
now stop and notice that part of you
that is guiding your every move,
the thought you think belongs to you
is the shadows thought to prove,
it's that thing that tells you now
that none of this is true,
forget this tripe and move along,
there's other things to do
and all the while the ego thinks
"interesting though this is,
i am feeling oh so tired of
looking at this drizz",
the ego is the puppet
of the shadow deep inside
and all that it may suggest
the ego helps decide
and you sit at the very front
and also at the back
for you are the one
who simply desires
for experiences that may lack,
you observe without preference
for you know not what you are
as you have clouded your true self
and have not changed thus far,
who is the one aware
the one who doth exist,
is it your thoughts or is it you?(the one aware of the thinking as
it happens),can you sit for a moment and observe these thoughts as
they occur and realize they are the dream as you are the dreamer,
can you notice the daydreams
'how ever short they may be'
will come in some form or another
to your reality,
the ego will converse with you
and tell you what to do
but you can choose another path
'remember ,it is all about you'
those daydreams are suggester
at fullest strength each day
be careful how you follow it,
allow a short delay..
the only question left now
is 'am i all alone?'
for if all you know is fantasy
then so is the one
on the phone,
the mother that i had
and father that i knew,
none of them were real,
could this be true?
if so i now am frightened
to find myself alone
but in some cases
"how cool is this?,i am god ,i am the one",
there is still the one problem
of what's called the unified field,
where you could put it in this way
to show another deal,
that the one true self is who you are and in all that you think
real,experiencing itself through imagining it is in many
things,simultaneously interacting
it swims,it walks,it fly's,
it talks and it sings
and when that phone rings
you know because of this thing
that you are everywhere and in everything,
the only reason for individuality is because you think you are a
real person PING!!
all that you are is due only to the experiences you have had in
your existence based on your perspective ,the real you or the
"Unified Field" is the only reason you can communicate with one
another,what you see is a representation created by you of the
information you are receiving through the true self,
eg:
a child sees a giraffe for the first time and goes home to
describe to his friends (who also have never seen nor heard of the
animal) what it is he saw,they are then asked to draw a picture of
what he described,the pictures will show a basic representation of
a giraffe but they will not be a giraffe,
eg2:
you watch the news and what you you see is a representation of the
news reporter and not the actual reporter,
your friend looks back at you and thinks them self separate as do
you, both of you aware that you both exist and both think as
individuals but both of you share that one thing,that part of you
that knows you exist,
stop now
and take notice of the fact that you exist and know that
this is the exact same being that is in your friend and also
is aware that it exists,one being split to infinity or at least
where the being is active at that moment,
all that exists are those moments where you are,you are your
friend,
both of you thinking you are different beings only because you
have gained a persona from experiences had in your existence as a
human or dog or cat or any thing in your reality,
you are the artist and your reality is your canvas and your
thoughts are your paints and you use what you paint to communicate
with the other aspects of your self through your creation as do
your other aspects and all of it driven by desire to experience,
for without desire there would be no purpose for existence,
still thinking??
all that you experience is through your senses,you
feel,see,smell,hear and taste and this is sent to the brain as
electrical signals which you 'the consciousness' then
interprets,,,
how can you be certain that what you interpret is correct?
how can you ever know that what you have just
learned here is what i have actually said?
is it or is it not entirely your created perception and therefore
nothing but an illusion or dream?
ask yourself now if you are truly Awake?
if you comment on this without reading it then you will have answered my true question as to if there is intelligence in this world,
i have made it long and messy for a reason,read it and try to understand it before you jump into that deep well.
for all you who feel the need to comment without knowing what it is about,go find a bucket of water and stick your head in three times and take it out twice :P
All of this i have written as a method of finding out if there truly are other conscious beings,to prove the "Unified Field Theory,"
if no other can comprehend what i have written then this will mean that i am surrounded by what are termed "Zombies" or as i call them Automatons or game characters made to make the experience of life more realistic.it seems as the case may be in a computer,if you ask an unanswerable question,you get the crackle and pop 1
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Prodigious wrote: »It's actually a pretty interesting read if it wasn't such a headache to make sense of.
just imagine how far over the edge I'm gone with all this tripe,it's a thing i can't stop thinking about,years of quantum physics to Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
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David Foster Wallace has an excellent short story on the difficulties involved in actually performing a selfless act titled "The Devil is a Busy Man". Its about a guy who gives money to a friend but doesn't want them to know he did because then the act is no longer selfless as it appears he was only doing it to look good. At the end of the story he despite his best efforts he unconsciously makes it evident that he was the person responsible for this act of charity therefore negating the selflessness.
It really doesn't matter if anyone else knows about the attempted selfless act as the very reason for doing it is selfish in itself because the person doing is receiving emotional feedback of 'feeling good' or in other words 'Payment in full' making the whole episode non selfless.
I would say that it is an impossibility to perform a selfless act as all that we do is for our own satisfaction and never is it for any other reason.
I am searching for a loophole but as yet have not found one.
All living thinking creatures are driven by the desire to experience.
Where you see suffering you will feel bad and in turn you will wish to feel good so with that you may try to end the suffering or simply turn away,which ever makes you feel better,No matter the choice,you will satisfy your need to feel good again but if you choose to end the suffering then you also help another to feel good which could start a kind of domino of "Passing it on" but it all began by an act of self satisfaction.0 -
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It does matter. If the act is not acknowledged then there is no emotional feedback. If there is no emotional feedback no solace or reputations can be gained therefore the act is wholly intrinsic rather than extrinsic.
The emotional feedback is in the one performing the act,
What purpose would there be in doing anything without first wanting to do the said thing?
Wanting is a need for self satisfaction.
Why give the money if you have no reason or desire to do so?
In giving the money he has satisfied his need to do something good which is a selfish act because he gets the emotional feedback of feeling good for what he has done regardless of it being witnessed or not..
(trust me,this has had me in turmoil for years) 0 -
The emotional feedback is in the one performing the act,
What purpose would there be in doing anything without first wanting to do the said thing?
Wanting is a need for self satisfaction?
Why give the money if you have no reason or desire to do so?
In giving the money he has satisfied his need to do something good which is a selfish act because he gets the emotional feedback of feeling good for what he has done regardless of it being witnessed or not..
(trust me,this has had me in turmoil for years)
Have you read any books on stoicism?0 -
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Have you read any books on stoicism?
I have read maybe three books in my life,one was of mice and men the others I can't remember,most of what i know comes from sitting and thinking and having to listen to my well read father as i was growing but i am aware of Stoicism having something to do with lacking emotion and that would be a good argument for what i am talking about in the selflessness as it would imply no feedback but if we neither felt good nor bad then we would have only one need and that is instinct of survival ,which would be the desire to continue which is again self satisfaction,
To be without desire would simply be without purpose and existence then becomes meaningless.
one more thing,thank you for this conversation as i am tired of sitting in my own head and i am learning from this how to better communicate with others,
Right now is the perfect example of "Created Perception",you and i both perceive our own reality and not what actually maybe,we both feel as though we are making perfect sense but the message is not quite getting through, we are at two ends Plato's Cave 0 -
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