Living for 60 days on Rockall

I Heart Internet

A harmless charity escapade or another attempt to "reclaim" Rockall for Britain? I understand the matter (of sovereignty over Rockall and the sea and sea bed around it) is with the UN at the moment.

A chartered surveyor is set to spend two months inside an eight foot water tank in a desolate island as he tries to raise money for charity.

Nick Hancock is planning to set two endurance records by living on the 100ft island of Rockall and raise money for the Help for Heroes charity.

During his reconnaissance trip last June, Mr Hancock did unfurl a Union Jack and tweeted on Twitter: 'Happy jubilee Your Majesty' but did, however, lose some equipment during his brief stay.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2316207/Theres-place-like-home-Explorer-plans-spend-60-days-living-remote-Scottish-islet-8ft-box.html

It's a rock - it doesn't have a nationality.

I Heart Internet

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a rock - it doesn't have a nationality.

So which country owns any oil and gas near it? Or the rights to put wind turbines out there?..for example.

kippy

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So which country owns any oil and gas near it? Or the rights to put wind turbines out there?..for example.

I do, I bought it of a foreign lad a few years ago via Western Union. He sent me the deeds as well.

ado100

kippy wrote: »

I do, I bought it of a foreign lad a few years ago via Western Union. He sent me the deeds as well.

So did I.

I Heart Internet

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So which country owns any oil and gas near it? Or the rights to put wind turbines out there?..for example.

The UK - any nominal boundary isn't set by uninhabitable islands - it is set by habitable ones.

A map of sorts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_exclusive_economic_zone.jpg

shedweller

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a rock - it doesn't have a nationality.

It will when someone claims both it and all the hydrocarbons within its boundaries!
It won't be us either!

Banjo String

I hope the natural gas burns their ass and blows then all to hell.

Robbo

According to the Wolfe Tones, we have a serious claim for not only Rockall but seagulls are to peck out the eyes of yon Saxon foe.

karma_

Well, Iceland, Britain, Denmark and Ireland are currently in a protracted negotiation regarding rights in the area, not that the rock itself is important. Likely to continue for some time in fairness.

BillyMitchel

ado100 wrote: »

So did I.

Cheers for that few quid lads, life in St Lucia is pretty good if you're wondering but as far as I know it's still with the Nigerian prince that I bought it off.

I Heart Internet

Deleted User wrote: »

The UK - any nominal boundary isn't set by uninhabitable islands - it is set by habitable ones.

A map of sorts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_exclusive_economic_zone.jpg

Is that universally agreed? Doesn't the UN look on it from a "continental shelf" point of view?

ted1

Deleted User wrote: »

The UK - any nominal boundary isn't set by uninhabitable islands - it is set by habitable ones.

A map of sorts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_exclusive_economic_zone.jpg

Other articles say they ignore islands altogether and look at the mainland which puts Donegal as the closest point.

squod

Its ours. We should deport this fecker if he brings that flag near the place.

Deleted User wrote: »

The UK - any nominal boundary isn't set by uninhabitable islands - it is set by habitable ones.

A chartered surveyor is set to spend two months inside an eight foot water tank in a desolate island as he tries to raise money for charity.

Technology decides what's habitable. We're going to send people to live on feckin' Mars. Rockall could be some lads idea of a dream holiday home for all I know.

I Heart Internet

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Is that universally agreed? Doesn't the UN look on it from a "continental shelf" point of view?

Looking it up Ireland and the UK have formalised it just recently:
Edit: not sure why this link or the dfa.ie site won't respond quicklyTánaiste signs Agreement on a boundary between the Irish and British ‘Exclusive Economic Zones’
Agreement to establish new formal boundaries between the two countries’ continental shelves and Exclusive Economic Zones
Gilmore signs maritime deal between Ireland and UK
No maps included in any of those articles but i understand they agree with the one above.

Drawing a line out from Rockall didn't set the boundary - it was ignored by both sides essentially. The part of the sea that Rockall falls in is in the British exclusive economic zone.

gurramok

Its gas how the Daily Mail says the rock is British yet fail to mention the other countries who have competing claims where the issue is now at the UN.

Capt'n Midnight

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So which country owns any oil and gas near it? Or the rights to put wind turbines out there?..for example.

We, The UK, and Denmark have all made submissions , Iceland is also in the running
https://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/commission_submissions.htm


http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/03/24/00043.asp

The consistent position of successive Irish Governments has been that Rockall and similar rocks and skerries have no significance for establishing legal claims to mineral rights in the adjacent seabed and to fishing rights in the surrounding seas
...
In 1988, Ireland and the UK reached agreement on the delimitation of areas of the continental shelf between the two countries, stretching out up to 500 nautical miles from their respective coastlines. This included the division of the Hatton-Rockall area of continental shelf on which Rockall is situated, although under the terms of the Law of the Sea Convention the location of Rockall was irrelevant to the determination of the boundary. According to that determination, Rockall is situated to the north of the boundary agreed with the UK in 1988 and lies outside the zone claimed by Ireland.

However, the claims to the Hatton-Rockall shelf agreed between Ireland and the UK are not accepted by Iceland or Denmark (on behalf of the Faroe Islands), which make their own claims. The four countries have met regularly since 2001 in an effort to resolve the overlapping claims issue, but to date have been unable to reach agreement.

It's not inhabitable
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Rockall_wave_March_1943.jpg/220px-Rockall_wave_March_1943.jpg
Winter waves breaking over Rockall in January 1943 :eek:

gurramok

gurramok wrote: »

Its gas how the Daily Mail says the rock is British yet fail to mention the other countries who have competing claims where the issue is now at the UN.

Except in the bit where they say exactly that:

Ownership is now being examined by the United Nations in the light of competing claims from Iceland, the Faroes and Ireland.

Capt'n Midnight

squod wrote: »

Its ours. We should deport this fecker if he brings that flag near the place.

We can't

As a British citizen he is entitled to cross borders within the Common Travel Area.

keano_afc

gurramok wrote: »

Its gas how the Daily Mail says the rock is British yet fail to mention the other countries who have competing claims where the issue is now at the UN.

Indeed, and potentially lots of it.

TheLastMohican

At least his guano should add a bit of colour to this bleak tale.

Nabber

I thought the title said living on rock'n'roll for 60 days. Not sure how it would work. But it would be better than Rock on Rockall.

Victor

ted1 wrote: »

Other articles say they ignore islands altogether and look at the mainland which puts Donegal as the closest point.

But isn't Donegal on the island of Ireland? The people that ignore the Hebrides are hypocrites.

ted1

Victor wrote: »

But isn't Donegal on the island of Ireland? The people that ignore the Hebrides are hypocrites.

EPIC FAIL,
Donegal is on the mainland of Ireland. So it counts.

The Hebrides are a remote colony which is not connected to mainland Britian.

Your wrong.

The Backwards Man

ted1 wrote: »

EPIC FAIL,
Donegal is on the mainland of Ireland. So it counts.

The Hebrides are a remote colony which is not connected to mainland Britian.

Your wrong.

I dare you to stand in a pub in Stornoway and say that.

danniemcq

ted1 wrote: »

EPIC FAIL,
Donegal is on the mainland of Ireland. So it counts.

The Hebrides are a remote colony which is not connected to mainland Britian.

Your wrong.

Ummm Ireland is an Island.... so as a Donegal guy i'd say Donegal is on the island of Ireland

I don't get the point of this argument.

If you are saying that its the place that is closest to Rockall then Donegal being on mainland/island of ireland isn't it all the same?

ted1

danniemcq wrote: »

Ummm Ireland is an Island.... so as a Donegal guy i'd say Donegal is on the island of Ireland

I don't get the point of this argument.

If you are saying that its the place that is closest to Rockall then Donegal being on mainland/island of ireland isn't it all the same?

I'm saying Donegal counts as its on the main land of Ireland. The fact hat Ireland is an island is irrevlant.

The Herbides do not count as they are an island colony that are not connected to the main land.

Victor

ted1 wrote: »

I'm saying Donegal counts as its on the main land of Ireland. The fact hat Ireland is an island is irrevlant.

The Herbides do not count as they are an island colony that are not connected to the main land.

But the rules is deciding who owns a piece of continental shelf are based on habitable islands -v- uninhabitable rocks. The Herbides are for the most part habitable islands.

Your earlier post is based on the gosh!te ramblings of armchair republicans. Just because they want something to be so, doesn't make it so.

stoneill

Slap him with a property tax and a water tank tax and then he'll know!

Capt'n Midnight

When you take it to it's logical conclusion

http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/04/10/okinotorishimaisland/

In order to prevent the island from submersion caused by erosion and maintain the claim to the EEZ, the Japanese government launched an embankment building project in 1987, and Higashikojima and Kitakojima were surrounded by concrete. Japan has encased the reefs with $280 million worth of concrete and covered the smaller one with a $50 million titanium net to shield it from debris thrown up by the ocean’s waves. In fact, the Japanese government has spent over $600 million dollars fortifying the reefs to prevent them from being completely washed away.

Furthermore, the Nippon Foundation has drawn plans to build a lighthouse and increase the size of the reef by breeding microorganisms known as foraminifera.