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Gerry Adams on RTE PrimeTime--29-05-13

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  • #502
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    You have a major problem with history.

    Lets be realistic- LordSutch believes the random murder of people in the north who were RC is fine- the British Army was firmly behind it and it was extremely to what the BA did in other countries. If Im wrong LordSutch state clearly that the British Army are scum.


  • #503
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Dotsey wrote: »
    the situation that existed for most of the troubles gave rise to the IRA and made legitimate targets of all state forces no doubt about that. The IRA did kill British soldiers no doubt that. The difference is that time elapsed and now there is a clear political path hence why the IRA went into a ceasefire and then when the time was right they stood down and decommissioned.
    McGuinness was right when he said that because the people of all Ireland voted for the GFA, normality has been reached in Ireland for the first time in a long long time and there's now nationalists in government in the north. The so called dissidents are not republicans, I've seen them first hand and there's no politics behind their motives. They see the troubles as the good old days and for some reason they want to return to that period in Irish history hence the betrayal.
    At the dissidents heart there is people who believe themselves to be hardcore republicans, their obsessed about being anti Sinn Fein to the point where they would be better off and more suited to being in the DUP. There's others who are professional extortioners and make a handsome living for themselves out of the profits. Then the final group are these muscle bound guys pumped up on steroids because it's all about vanity to them, it's pretty much the same as the likes of Johnny Adair and several well known Dublin drug dealers.

    Grow up.

    The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.


  • #504
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Grow up.

    The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.

    I asked earlier about age groups, I think it is relevant to state your date of birth to understand your point of view. Especially in relation to this thread, and any other thread to do with the war in the occupied counties.


  • #505
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Grow up.

    The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.
    Now wait a second. I'm not exactly a fan of Sinn Fein but by what definition are they trying to destroy the republican movement?! They've come the closet of all parties to achieving your ultimate goal.


  • #506
    Hannibal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Grow up.

    The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.
    The republican cause is still alive at the heart of Sinn Fein, the cause has took many twists and turns but they're not trying to destroy republicanism.

    Most people who I know within SF and previously the IRA joined up because of their hatred of secterianism and inequality, it was British and Unionist secterians that drove this island to war and kept refueling it. The old British tactic of divide and conquer


  • #507
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    I asked earlier about age groups, I think it is relevant to state your date of birth to understand your point of view. Especially in relation to this thread, and any other thread to do with the war in the occupied counties.

    I was born in 88 in Antrim.


  • #508
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Dotsey wrote: »
    The republican cause is still alive at the heart of Sinn Fein, the cause has took many twists and turns but they're not trying to destroy republicanism.

    Most people who I know within SF and previously the IRA joined up because of their hatred of secterianism and inequality, it was British and Unionist secterians that drove this island to war and kept refueling it. The old British tactic of divide and conquer

    Why did Marty than attack old leadership so viciously for the ceasefire in the mid 70s and go on about the war never never ending until national liberation?


  • #509
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Now wait a second. I'm not exactly a fan of Sinn Fein but by what definition are they trying to destroy the republican movement?! They've come the closet of all parties to achieving your ultimate goal.

    Sinn Fein that encourage foreign investment? Sinn Fein that are sort of okay about the EU? Sinn Fein that discouraged protests against the British Queen in Dublin? Sinn Fein that have the blood of at least four of the hungers strikers on their hands? Sinn Fein that are in coalition with the semi-fascist DUP adminstrating Troy cuts in the six counties? That Sinn Fein do you mean?


  • #510
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Dotsey wrote: »
    The republican cause is still alive at the heart of Sinn Fein, the cause has took many twists and turns but they're not trying to destroy republicanism.

    Most people who I know within SF and previously the IRA joined up because of their hatred of secterianism and inequality, it was British and Unionist secterians that drove this island to war and kept refueling it. The old British tactic of divide and conquer

    Ah so didnt join the IRA to fight for the Republic and national liberation? They fought for equality with the prods under the old colonial system?

    Great lads- pity that Brendan Hughes saw things differently.

    And that try to mess around mess around- if they accept the GFA that whats it about, getting equal or getting one over the prods, little better than the fleg protesters.


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  • #511
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Sinn Fein that encourage foreign investment? Sinn Fein that are sort of okay about the EU? Sinn Fein that discouraged protests against the British Queen in Dublin? Sinn Fein that have the blood of at least four of the hungers strikers on their hands? Sinn Fein that are in coalition with the semi-fascist DUP adminstrating Troy cuts in the six counties? That Sinn Fein do you mean?
    Yes that Sinn Féin. Christ dude take a chill pill. I love the way you see encouraging FDI as a bad thing btw.


  • #512
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Yes that Sinn Féin. Christ dude take a chill pill. I love the way you see encouraging FDI as a bad thing btw.

    Im not male so Im not a dude. Provisional Sinn Fein are part and parcel of the Imperialism that has made a total mess of my part of Ireland. The sooner they are exposed and destroyed the better. I admit I hate them more than I do the DUP or Fine Gael because they pose as something they are not.


  • #513
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Ah so didnt join the IRA to fight for the Republic and national liberation? They fought for equality with the prods under the old colonial system?

    Great lads- pity that Brendan Hughes saw things differently.

    And that try to mess around mess around- if they accept the GFA that whats it about, getting equal or getting one over the prods, little better than the fleg protesters.

    I note that you 'edited' that post. It still doesn't make any sense.


  • #514
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I note that you 'edited' that post. It still doesn't make any sense.

    It makes perfect sense.

    Those who support the GFA admit they were fighting for equality with the Prods under the colonial system and that is what is the long war was about them.

    If you support the GFA basically you are sectarian.

    You know that and I know that.

    The actual non-sectarian Republicans have abandoned PSF long ago.


  • #515
    Hannibal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Ah so didnt join the IRA to fight for the Republic and national liberation? They fought for equality with the prods under the old colonial system?

    Great lads- pity that Brendan Hughes saw things differently.

    And that try to mess around mess around- if they accept the GFA that whats it about, getting equal or getting one over the prods, little better than the fleg protesters.
    the republic and national liberation are always objectives but what drove people to war was what was facing them every day and that was secterianism and apartheid.

    Brendan Hughes has his own opinions on things, a lot of others disagree with him.
    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Sinn Fein that encourage foreign investment? Sinn Fein that are sort of okay about the EU? Sinn Fein that discouraged protests against the British Queen in Dublin? Sinn Fein that have the blood of at least four of the hungers strikers on their hands? Sinn Fein that are in coalition with the semi-fascist DUP adminstrating Troy cuts in the six counties? That Sinn Fein do you mean?
    we can't be at war with the British forever, the north in time will sort itself out and there's a clear path for that which has never existed before and dialogue is the key. But as the British are our closest neighbours and main trading partner we should show a level of respect toward their head of state regardless of our feelings towards her or the notion of royal families in general. Sinn Fein didn't discourage protests as SF were actively protesting but in a peaceful way, look at the militant way in the 32CSM protested for example and I was there by the way.

    If SF pull out of the coalition with the DUP then the assembly falls, what's the point in that? the bigger picture is to keep in the game and stay active while pushing from within, the DUP are indeed fascists but they're elected representitives and we can't run away from that fact. Hopefully the unionist people cop on eventually that their party doesn't represent them. SF are constantly making gains in the north and hopefully they become the main party, and there's nothing they can do about Tory cuts but to keep raising the issue of more autonomy to the executive to set and administer their own tax and spending.


  • #516
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    It makes perfect sense.

    Those who support the GFA admit they were fighting for equality with the Prods under the colonial system and that is what is the long war was about them.

    If you support the GFA basically you are sectarian.

    You know that and I know that.

    The actual non-sectarian Republicans have abandoned PSF long ago.

    :confused::confused::confused:


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  • #517
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    It makes perfect sense.

    Those who support the GFA admit they were fighting for equality with the Prods under the colonial system and that is what is the long war was about them.

    If you support the GFA basically you are sectarian.

    You know that and I know that.

    The actual non-sectarian Republicans have abandoned PSF long ago.

    We the commttee will have to ask you for sources and provenance of the above in red.


  • #518
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Dotsey wrote: »

    Brendan Hughes has his own opinions on things, a lot of others disagree with him.


    It's mad, people are so willing to believe the British and media creation of a boogey man that they will cling to any criticism.

    If it was Lowry or some other disaffected and disgruntled former member dissing the leader without any credible evidence other than their own bile, would they be willing to believe so fervently?
    Far as I can see SF is a democratically run party, no gerrymandering etc etc. How come he is still the longest serving leader of a political party in the western world...he must be doing something right.


  • #519
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    my dad was killed in the troubles by the PIRA.

    Sorry to hear that.


  • #520
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Of course the Provos carried out Kingsmill and no one punished for it- you cant admit though.

    The sectarian element of the Provisional movement is supporting the guess what basically sectarian GFA- the actually Republican element of the Provisional movement has long left it in the north.

    well firstly, thats utter tripe.
    secondly, i still dont see how you got that from me roundly condemning kingsmill


  • #521
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Of course the Provos carried out Kingsmill and no one punished for it- you cant admit though.

    The sectarian element of the Provisional movement is supporting the guess what basically sectarian GFA- the actually Republican element of the Provisional movement has long left it in the north.

    Seriously what are you on about?


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  • #522
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Never mind unification, I eagerly await the day I can click on the last page of a thread about Gerry Adams or the North and actually see it still has some relevance to the first page. But no, it must be always dragged into the same old stupid arguments.

    These forums are ruined with this ****e.


  • #523
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Never mind unification, I eagerly await the day I can click on the last page of a thread about Gerry Adams or the North and actually see it still has some relevance to the first page. But no, it must be always dragged into the same old stupid arguments.

    These forums are ruined with this ****e.

    It also amazes me that the mods on this forum will crack down hard on people making unsubstaniated accusations about other public figures (Most recently on the thread about the Killally shooting http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84432487&postcount=41) but allow unsubstaniated claims to be made on threads about the conflict on this island. It generally ruins the discussion too and I really think that the mods need to address this in a zero tolerance way.
    If you make an accusation you need to substaniate it. 'Don't let vitriol get in the way of facts' would be a good overall policy for these threads imo.


  • #524
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It also amazes me...

    I don't think it's all that amazing. There's an anti-Republican bias in the media and I don't think we should be so naive as to expect boards.ie to be any different.

    Some of the people who comment on these boards have pretty good standards until it comes to commenting on the north when it plummets to the point of laughable shite.


  • #525
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    SinnFéin threaten RTÉ with legal action arising from the programme
    RTE's 'Prime Time' team has said they are "not in the least concerned" over Sinn Fein threats of legal action following Miriam O'Callaghan's "robust" interview with party leader Gerry Adams. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ocallaghan-not-worried-as-sinn-fein-threatens-legal-bid-29244132.html


  • #526
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    snubbleste wrote: »
    SinnFéin threaten RTÉ with legal action arising from the programme

    Independent = fail


  • #527
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Independent = fail
    :confused: Elaborate.


  • #528
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    snubbleste wrote: »
    :confused: Elaborate.

    Its a rag, who's political editor just happens to be married to a fianna fail senator. There's independent thinking for you!


  • #529
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Its a rag, who's political editor just happens to be married to a fianna fail senator. There's independent thinking for you!
    We all know that. Do you have any comment on the article?


  • #530
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    snubbleste wrote: »
    SinnFéin threaten RTÉ with legal action arising from the programme

    SF trying to use the same old tactics of threatening journalists with the view to silencing them.

    It wont work this time, Adams the sham has been exposed.

    Gerry Adams interviewed on RTE Primetime


  • #531
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    SF trying to use the same old tactics of threatening journalists with the view to silencing them.

    It wont work this time, Adams the sham has been exposed.

    Gerry Adams interviewed on RTE Primetime
    And if he threataned with menace like a certain fianna fail senator you would be on complaining aswell. Or maybe he should have had a running gun battle through the streets like another fianna fail gangster!

    You really can't win, and that is even if the DOB mouthpiece in the independent is to be believed!


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  • #532
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    SF trying to use the same old tactics of threatening journalists with the view to silencing them.

    It wont work this time, Adams the sham has been exposed.

    Gerry Adams interviewed on RTE Primetime

    Groundbreaking news story right here ... miriam not worried about sinn fein not contacting her ... story is about absolutely nothing


  • #533
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Mars Bar wrote: »
    Dunno why but I read the title as "Gerry Ryan on...".
    I was terribly confused for a few seconds.

    Me too!

    Didn't know what was going on :o


  • #534
    KingOfFairview
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    She's a nitwit. The Irish Kay Burley


  • #535
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    KingOfFairview wrote: »
    She's a nitwit. The Irish Kay Burley

    Leave Kay out of it, when she was doing the dancing, :rolleyes: :rolleyes:.
    Murium is gone past her sell by date in journalism and everything else.


  • #536
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    SF trying to use the same old tactics of threatening journalists with the view to silencing them.

    Like that time Enda cried assault after falling over a flower pot

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/reporter-takes-the-hit-as-enda-ducks-the-question-1.531071


  • #537
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    SF trying to use the same old tactics of threatening journalists with the view to silencing them.


    "same old tactics"? This has happened before? A few examples please.


  • #538
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Nodin wrote: »
    "same old tactics"? This has happened before? A few examples please.

    http://www.herald.ie/news/adams-now-threatens-to-sue-us-over-his-ira-past-27973466.html


  • #539
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    http://www.herald.ie/news/adams-now-threatens-to-sue-us-over-his-ira-past-27973466.html

    Thats one.....literally one, as o'callaghan hasn't been threatened with legal action.


  • #540
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Nodin wrote: »
    Thats one.....literally one, as o'callaghan hasn't been threatened with legal action.

    Sure she hasn't. I guess SF announced they were referring it to their lawyers for no reason at all. How could we be so cynical to see this a threat of legal action? ;)


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  • #541
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Sure she hasn't. I guess SF announced they were referring it to their lawyers for no reason at all. How could we be so cynical to see this a threat of legal action? ;)


    If they did. Given this is the indo, I'm less than convinced.


  • #542
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    If journalistic decency doesn't stop RTE engaging in throwing FF/FG's snowballs, maybe the law will.


  • #543
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    If SF did take a case for defamation (although I doubt they will), wouldn't the burden of proof be on RTE to prove allegations that he was in the IRA?

    I mean you can't make allegations without anything to back them up. the "sure the dogs on the street know this.." argument wouldn't have any legal standing, I'm assuming.

    I'd like to see a case, because I'm sick of the same line of questioning to SF officials, nothing has changed over the past 20 years.

    Put up or shut up.


    * I'm in a quandary though, as if RTE get sued it's tax payers money, like with the priest they made allegations about that time.


  • #544
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    humanji wrote:
    Gerry Adams on RTE PrimeTime--29-05-13
    can I have a go in that time machine :(


  • #545
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    The Jinto and the Weendo types have no right to interfere in the workings of this state. They killed lots of people in the 1969-98 period and have never apologised for this. Anyone who supports the jintoes and the weendoes have a deluded sense of nationalism. They are drug dealers and mafia.


  • #546
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    The Jinto and the Weendo types have no right to interfere in the workings of this state. They killed lots of people in the 1969-98 period and have never apologised for this. Anyone who supports the jintoes and the weendoes have a deluded sense of nationalism. They are drug dealers and mafia.

    Jinto and Weendo? What the hell is that?


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  • #547
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Jinto and Weendo? What the hell is that?

    Continuity and Real IRA.


  • #548
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Continuity and Real IRA.

    What relevance are they to Gerry Adams though?


  • #549
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Who did the Real IRA kill in 1968? Will you go on away with your messing.


  • #550
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Who did the Real IRA kill in 1968? Will you go on away with your messing.

    Nobody in 1968. 1969 is when it started. The Real IRA were originally called the Provisional IRA. I am not to big into how and if these are 2 diff orgs or are the same! Gerry Adams was in neither of them, this I do know !!


  • #551
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Nobody in 1968. 1969 is when it started. The Real IRA were originally called the Provisional IRA. I am not to big into how and if these are 2 diff orgs or are the same! Gerry Adams was in neither of them, this I do know


    Wrong


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