Second Captains

jaykay74 · 18-06-2019 2:20pm

bamayang wrote: »

Raoul wrote: »

Aidric wrote: »

That was also my take from the interview. I learned next to nothing about the book which was supposed to be the whole reason for the interview.

A rare slip from the lads but they indulged Brolly too much. If they wanted to interview him about GAA then plough ahead but to present it as a book review was to do the listener an injustice.

I agree to a certain extent but tbh, it sounded like Joe just didn't think the book was all that great.

Was there any reason they picked Joe Brolly to review that book? Other than to say Joe DeBrollio.

I also agree that Joe likes the sound of his own voice and he didn't let the lads finish questions. But also, I thoroughly enjoyed it, Joe seems like a very nice down to earth person and very interesting and knowledgeable.

I thought it was interesting that he seemed to cut off Murph at every chance but not so much McDevitt. Little bit of ranking going on there imo

I thought Eoin just held his ground a bit better and insisted politely on completing the point/question he was asking

Dante · 19-06-2019 5:47pm

corwill wrote: »

As likeable as Duignan is, there's surely a better hurling pundit to be had.

Sure only last week people in this very thread were complaining about how they haven't had him on yet to discuss the Offaly's situation. Seems like there's no winning when it comes to GAA coverage...

corwill · 19-06-2019 7:18pm

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Sure only last week people in this very thread were complaining about how they haven't had him on yet to discuss the Offaly's situation. Seems like there's no winning when it comes to GAA coverage...

Well, I wasn't. Had I been asked, I'd have said he had no insight to offer on that topic or anything else, as was borne out.

Say Your Number · 24-06-2019 6:33am

Found the piece on data analytics boring, Murph's story at the end made up for it though.

Dots1982 · 24-06-2019 6:34pm

It’s amazing that Ken knows the least about GAA but has actually the most realistic view of the future of GAA.

Dots1982 · 24-06-2019 9:25pm

Ken employing his tactic of being outraged and completely overegging a fairly run of the mill forgettable incident with the Phillip Neville press conference.

See also his reactions to when Palace sacked De Boer and Oscar moved to a Chinese club.

The way I see it anyway. Maybe not quite as obvious as his overreacting to those two events.

corwill · 25-06-2019 7:35am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ken employing his tactic of being outraged and completely overegging a fairly run of the mill forgettable incident with the Phillip Neville press conference.

See also his reactions to when Palace sacked De Boer and Oscar moved to a Chinese club.

The way I see it anyway. Maybe not quite as obvious as his overreacting to those two events.

Seemed to me that Ken was expressing part amusement, part astonishment at the overreaction of Pip Neville and the English press to Cameroon, by turns sanctimonious and patronising, underpinned by an unattractive paternalism towards both the women's game and perhaps towards 'less important' countries. Neville seems to only want to see happy dancing from Africans. You'd swear he had nothing to do with with a Man U side that elevated referee intimidation to the level of high art.

I'm not sure how anodyne we'd want the lads to cover stuff, they're aiming to be entertaining, after all.

Brock Turnpike · 25-06-2019 7:53am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ken employing his tactic of being outraged and completely overegging a fairly run of the mill forgettable incident with the Phillip Neville press conference.

See also his reactions to when Palace sacked De Boer and Oscar moved to a Chinese club.

The way I see it anyway. Maybe not quite as obvious as his overreacting to those two events.

Zzzzzzz

Cienciano · 25-06-2019 12:48pm

corwill wrote: »

Seemed to me that Ken was expressing part amusement, part astonishment at the overreaction of Pip Neville and the English press to Cameroon, by turns sanctimonious and patronising, underpinned by an unattractive paternalism towards both the women's game and perhaps towards 'less important' countries. Neville seems to only want to see happy dancing from Africans. You'd swear he had nothing to do with with a Man U side that elevated referee intimidation to the level of high art.

I'm not sure how anodyne we'd want the lads to cover stuff, they're aiming to be entertaining, after all.

I thought Ken overdid it but it wasn't a passionate rant so he was half taking the píss. He pretty much ignored or excused all the stuff Cameroon players did on the pitch, the racism accusations they apparently made and the correct VAR decisions, the accusations of match fixing to focus how Phil Neville phrased some stuff.

Salvation Tambourine · 25-06-2019 12:54pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I thought Ken overdid it but it wasn't a passionate rant so he was half taking the píss. He pretty much ignored or excused all the stuff Cameroon players did on the pitch, the racism accusations they apparently made and the correct VAR decisions, the accusations of match fixing to focus how Phil Neville phrased some stuff.

He did enlighten me to a phrase I'd never heard of before, 'misogynoir'.

I would have liked if he expanded on why it's not automatically racist and misogynistic to say that African women losing their heads and acting irrationally are actually losing their heads and acting irrationally.

Then again, maybe it's a place they didn't want to go down especially when Eoin said that Neville was on potentially ropey ground by saying he associates African nations with happiness and dancing.

elefant · 25-06-2019 1:25pm

Nokotan wrote: »

He did enlighten me to a phrase I'd never heard of before, 'misogynoir'.

I would have liked if he expanded on why it's not automatically racist and misogynistic to say that African women losing their heads and acting irrationally are actually losing their heads and acting irrationally.

Then again, maybe it's a place they didn't want to go down especially when Eoin said that Neville was on potentially ropey ground by saying he associates African nations with happiness and dancing.

The part of Neville's preaching that made me cringe most was when after being asked about Cameroon being potentially banned by FIFA, he answered by referencing Cameroon and Nigeria. Have Nigeria had any discipline issues in the competition?

corwill · 25-06-2019 1:32pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I thought Ken overdid it but it wasn't a passionate rant so he was half taking the píss. He pretty much ignored or excused all the stuff Cameroon players did on the pitch, the racism accusations they apparently made and the correct VAR decisions, the accusations of match fixing to focus how Phil Neville phrased some stuff.

Focusing on what a hypocritical, sanctimonious flute Neville made of himself is much lower hanging fruit, though, and I'm not particularly exercised by their failure to clamber any further up the bull**** tree.

Cienciano · 25-06-2019 3:54pm

elefant wrote: »

The part of Neville's preaching that made me cringe most was when after being asked about Cameroon being potentially banned by FIFA, he answered by referencing Cameroon and Nigeria. Have Nigeria had any discipline issues in the competition?

That was the funny thing, Neville talking about how classy England were in handling it. Neville was the exact opposite of class. He should have said nothing, the Cameroon players actions spoke for themselves.

lawred2 · 25-06-2019 5:34pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ken employing his tactic of being outraged and completely overegging a fairly run of the mill forgettable incident with the Phillip Neville press conference.

See also his reactions to when Palace sacked De Boer and Oscar moved to a Chinese club.

The way I see it anyway. Maybe not quite as obvious as his overreacting to those two events.

Ah yer not serious are you?

Neville went full David Brent..

Sanctimonious, patronising and arrogant

lawred2 · 25-06-2019 5:35pm

elefant wrote: »

The part of Neville's preaching that made me cringe most was when after being asked about Cameroon being potentially banned by FIFA, he answered by referencing Cameroon and Nigeria. Have Nigeria had any discipline issues in the competition?

Yeah but they are also black

corwill · 25-06-2019 5:51pm

Cienciano wrote: »

That was the funny thing, Neville talking about how classy England were in handling it. Neville was the exact opposite of class. He should have said nothing, the Cameroon players actions spoke for themselves.

Pip isn't terribly well acquainted with either dignity or consistency. He spoke long and loudly on the topic of diving in the lead up to one Merseyside derby, only to pick up a yellow for a fairly buffoonish fosbury flop in the game.

Dots1982 · 25-06-2019 6:09pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Neville went full David Brent..

Sanctimonious, patronising and arrogant

And no one will remember past Wednesday. If you wanted to defend Neville you could use what Jose Mourinho said about press conferences, 1 - I am talking to the players 2- I am to talking to the players 3 - I am to talking to the players

England’s players had been elbowed, spat on and hacked down. Maybe Phil thought it would be a good for camp morale if he praised his players and attacked Cameroon’s. Maybe not.

As I say no one will remember it past Wednesday.

Ken talked about Phil Neville and pressers for 50 minutes and summarized the FAI governance report by saying it says there should be more governance. Funny and all but Dan Mcdonnell on OTB talked in depth on Saturday about the governance report with Nathan Murphy. I know what I care more about as an Irish football supporter.

corwill · 25-06-2019 6:22pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

And no one will remember past Wednesday. If you wanted to defend Neville you could use what Jose Mourinho said about press conferences, 1 - I am talking to the players 2- I am to talking to the players 3 - I am to talking to the players

England’s players had been elbowed, spat on and hacked down. Maybe Phil thought it would be a good for camp morale if he praised his players and attacked Cameroon’s. Maybe not.

As I say no one will remember it past Wednesday.

Ken talked about Phil Neville and pressers for 50 minutes and summarized the FAI governance report by saying it says there should be more governance. Funny and all but Dan Mcdonnell on OTB talked in depth on Saturday about the governance report with Nathan Murphy. I know what I care more about as an Irish football supporter.

Good of you to let us all know what each of is to remember and to forget.

Looks like OTB has your preferences covered. Not every outlet is going cover every topic in the exact same way at the exact same time. I'd hope SC will get to FAI governance again. In depth soon, to spare going anywhere near OTB.

Mean Laqueefa · 25-06-2019 6:30pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

And no one will remember past Wednesday. If you wanted to defend Neville you could use what Jose Mourinho said about press conferences, 1 - I am talking to the players 2- I am to talking to the players 3 - I am to talking to the players

England’s players had been elbowed, spat on and hacked down. Maybe Phil thought it would be a good for camp morale if he praised his players and attacked Cameroon’s. Maybe not.

As I say no one will remember it past Wednesday.

Ken talked about Phil Neville and pressers for 50 minutes and summarized the FAI governance report by saying it says there should be more governance. Funny and all but Dan Mcdonnell on OTB talked in depth on Saturday about the governance report with Nathan Murphy. I know what I care more about as an Irish football supporter.

Do you ONLY care about irish football ? as a supporter of course, cause one seems to be a mundane administrating issue and the other a talking point in a world cup where there were issues in the game and post game.

People will remember it as the issue with VAR continues and behavior and arrogance of managers and some press.

But i must listen to OTB to have the tits bored off me about how the FAI haven't done something yet again and get excited about PDF file.

Dots1982 · 25-06-2019 6:31pm

corwill wrote: »

I'd hope SC will get to FAI governance again. In depth soon, to spare going anywhere near OTB.

Richie Sadlier and Dion Fanning are on standby with their finger on the pulse.

Dots1982 · 25-06-2019 6:37pm

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

Do you ONLY care about irish football ? as a supporter of course, cause one seems to be a mundane administrating issue and the other a talking point in a world cup where there were issues in the game and post game.

People will remember it as the issue with VAR continues and behavior and arrogance of managers and some press.

But i must listen to OTB to have the tits bored off me about how the FAI haven't done something yet again and get excited about PDF file.

Id agree the governance report is possibly mundane but I do like to know where irish football is going in the post Delaney era. Is there going to be changes? is there going to be a plan? Is there actually money there to implement change or could FIFA have to take over. Irish football is right now in a bit of flux with a very uncertain future yet it seems most people seem to be oblivious to this and we may end up worst off in the long run.

Ken telling us that the governance report says there should be more governance it fairly symbolic of this.

It’s early days but I hope there’s enough attention given to the issue over the rest of the year.

Mean Laqueefa · 25-06-2019 6:57pm

Id agree the governance report is possibly mundane but I do like to know where irish football is going in the post Delaney era.Is there going to be changes?

No

is there going to be a plan?

No

Is there actually money there to implement change or could FIFA have to take over.

No

Irish football is right now in a bit of flux with a very uncertain future yet it seems most people seem to be oblivious to this and we may end up worst off in the long run.

Everyone is aware and i presume dont give a monkeys due to the years is continued money grabbing

Ken telling us that the governance report says there should be more governance it fairly symbolic of this.

Ever sat through a governance meeting ? What do you think the answer would be if say a health and safety officer was to ask does said company need more health and safety ?

It’s early days but I hope there’s enough attention given to the issue over the rest of the year

im sure it will get its talk time when more fun talking points fade

corwill · 25-06-2019 6:58pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Id agree the governance report is possibly mundane but I do like to know where irish football is going in the post Delaney era. Is there going to be changes? is there going to be a plan? Is there actually money there to implement change or could FIFA have to take over. Irish football is right now in a bit of flux with a very uncertain future yet it seems most people seem to be oblivious to this and we may end up worst off in the long run.

Ken telling us that the governance report says there should be more governance it fairly symbolic of this.

It’s early days but I hope there’s enough attention given to the issue over the rest of the year.

You can't legislate integrity into existence. As long as FAI officialdom is largely composed of spivs, you can stack reports to the ceiling for all they matter.

Dots1982 · 25-06-2019 7:07pm

corwill wrote: »

You can't legislate integrity into existence. As long as FAI officialdom is largely composed of spivs, you can stack reports to the ceiling for all they matter.

We’ve seen a “spiv” stand down from the Board in the past week. And we have seen funding from the government suspended. It isn’t quite as simple or a lost cause as you put forward I feel.

corwill · 25-06-2019 10:27pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

We’ve seen a “spiv” stand down from the Board in the past week. And we have seen funding from the government suspended. It isn’t quite as simple or a lost cause as you put forward I feel.

I hope so, but I fear there needs to be more of a clear about before talks of reforms to structures and processes are worth putting any faith in.

Raoul · 26-06-2019 9:26am

Alan Cawley is always on that 5 a side team. Any idea why the lads never had him on?

Loafing Oaf · 26-06-2019 10:12am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ken talked about Phil Neville and pressers for 50 minutes and summarized the FAI governance report by saying it says there should be more governance. Funny and all but Dan Mcdonnell on OTB talked in depth on Saturday about the governance report with Nathan Murphy. I know what I care more about as an Irish football supporter.

I found it odd they decided to do a 90-minute football podcast in the dog days of summer.

EltonJohn69 · 26-06-2019 10:15am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I found it odd they decided to do a 90-minute football podcast in the dog days of summer.

People want/need/demand football news

More please.....

hankless · 26-06-2019 10:31am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I found it odd they decided to do a 90-minute football podcast in the dog days of summer.

Nothing that odd about it, of a Monday. Plus it's a predominantly football orientated podcast.

Obrieski · 26-06-2019 12:10pm

Raoul wrote: »

Alan Cawley is always on that 5 a side team. Any idea why the lads never had him on?

And why doesn't Ken play in these things

Obrieski · 26-06-2019 12:11pm

hankless wrote: »

Nothing that odd about it, of a Monday. Plus it's a predominantly football orientated podcast.

Interesting chat with the referee on Monday also. Tough what they go through

deisedude · 26-06-2019 12:16pm

Obrieski wrote: »

And why doesn't Ken play in these things

Career ending injury from his Marseille days

Loafing Oaf · 26-06-2019 12:19pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

People want/need/demand football news

More please.....

I don't particularly in late June, tbh...

hankless wrote: »

Nothing that odd about it, of a Monday. Plus it's a predominantly football orientated podcast.

Odd in that the usual Monday footie podcast is an hour and a bit. I wouldn't particularly miss it if they knocked it off altogether for the summer, but then I'm not paying...

Obrieski wrote: »

And why doesn't Ken play in these things

Yeah you'd think with his Marseilles experience he'd be lording it...

corwill · 26-06-2019 1:14pm

Obrieski wrote: »

Interesting chat with the referee on Monday also. Tough what they go through

It's absolutely appalling what goes on in local soccer and GAA. The seeming lack of concern by the FAI is not even a tiny bit surprising.

Cienciano · 02-07-2019 11:37am

The Ken/Hope Solo dynamic has been good. And listening to the podcast has convinced me to support USA tonight against England. Phil Neville is an awful knobend.

Arghus · 02-07-2019 12:33pm

God, yeah, Phil Neville's comments throughout the World Cup have been embarrassingly bad - the man is clearly an absolute idiot.

Cienciano · 02-07-2019 1:33pm

That rundown on the Arsenal finances was really good too, best bit I've heard on SC in a while.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 02-07-2019 1:42pm

Cienciano wrote: »

That rundown on the Arsenal finances was really good too, best bit I've heard on SC in a while.

Link here: https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1145583489103945728

CiaranW · 02-07-2019 1:54pm

Cienciano wrote: »

That rundown on the Arsenal finances was really good too, best bit I've heard on SC in a while.

Yeah it was great insight from a non Arsenal supporter.

Sigh!

What I don't understand is how bad Arsenal are at selling.
Liverpool can sell Ings for around £20m and Arsenal are selling WC winner and near 20 goal a season striker Giroud for £15m.

terrydel · 02-07-2019 5:58pm

Arghus wrote: »

God, yeah, Phil Neville's comments throughout the World Cup have been embarrassingly bad - the man is clearly an absolute idiot.

I used to put up for him when he played for my team (Everton) on the basis he always gave it 100% and never hid, but even I can't tolerate him now after this world cup, he's been a pompous idiot every time a microphone is put under his mouth. And as for dressing like Southgate? That's just weird. England do like a company man, committee man type as their manager.

Hotblack Desiato · 02-07-2019 6:35pm

Cienciano wrote: »

That rundown on the Arsenal finances was really good too, best bit I've heard on SC in a while.

Thought Ken was over-egging it a bit.

Dots1982 · 02-07-2019 6:55pm

Arseblog’s podcast is excellent at the moment at covering the issues that are ongoing at Arsenal.

Ol' Donie · 02-07-2019 6:59pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Arseblog’s podcast is excellent at the moment at covering the issues that are ongoing at Arsenal.

And magpies. Lots of magpie issues.

Dots1982 · 02-07-2019 7:18pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

And magpies. Lots of magpie issues.

Think i heard that mentioned but it was on the Patreon content that I don’t subscribe to.

I did hear his co-host’s sad lament for his ill-fated holiday in France and the questionable conduct of his co-travelers.

It might become old, only hearing about Arsenal, but very entertained by Arseblog at the moment.

Arghus · 02-07-2019 10:32pm

The ladies mustn't have had that glazed look in their eyes tonight.

Ol' Donie · 03-07-2019 1:48pm

The new 24 hour Off The Ball radio station has something called OTB Gold - The Best of OTB since 2002.

Could be some intetesting stuff on there.

lawred2 · 03-07-2019 2:43pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

The new 24 hour Off The Ball radio station has something called OTB Gold - The Best of OTB since 2002.

Could be some intetesting stuff on there.

I can only imagine that that 24 hour radio station is going to

a. replay live segments from that day over and over
b. replay old content endlessly

wtf is the point?

deisedude · 03-07-2019 2:53pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

The new 24 hour Off The Ball radio station has something called OTB Gold - The Best of OTB since 2002.

Could be some intetesting stuff on there.

Be interesting to see if they play any segments with the Second captains lads back in their OTB days or have they been airbrushed from history

Arghus · 03-07-2019 3:04pm

deisedude wrote: »

Be interesting to see if they play any segments with the Second captains lads back in their OTB days or have they been airbrushed from history

I'd be very surprised.

Ol' Donie · 03-07-2019 3:22pm

lawred2 wrote: »

I can only imagine that that 24 hour radio station is going to

a. replay live segments from that day over and over
b. replay old content endlessly

wtf is the point?

It's odd in the sense that most of it is podcasted anyway, so if you have access to this station, you have access to most of the repeats whenever you want them anyway.

Also, if you were to listen to the live bits on this, you're not listening to Newstalk. Although I admit I've no idea how that affects listener figures in relation to ad sponsors. Same ads, I guess.

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