Second Captains

Dots1982

corwill wrote: »

He's an atrocious human being.

Maybe, maybe not. He’s carries a lot of bitterness and anger against people in his profession. He’s enabled in this by the media who fawn over him and build an aura around him. He definitely has very little self awareness or allows much space in his life for self assessment or personal growth. Personal growth is one the best things about growing older and it’s sad Roy has never developed this.

The interview with OTB focused on boring feuds that I couldn’t give a toss about. I’d rather he was asked about how did he rate the quality of player in the Irish squad and what would explain the lack of quality players being produced by Ireland in the past 15 years.

He could be a good family man and a generous person to his friends behind it all.

corwill

Dots1982 wrote: »

He could be a good family man and a generous person to his friends behind it all.

Plenty of awful people are. They're awful, nonetheless.

jaykay74

Just catching up on this weeks podcasts today. Is Eoin away ? I notice Ken & Murph in the studio together. I missed any mention as to why Eoin is away and for how long.

Salvation Tambourine

jaykay74 wrote: »

Just catching up on this weeks podcasts today. Is Eoin away ? I notice Ken & Murph in the studio together. I missed any mention as to why Eoin is away and for how long.

Probably away while there's a break in the club football, good time for it now that he has his Premier League matches to host.

Blanco100

Still Ill wrote: »

Off the Ball got some nice soundbytes out of it anyway. Keane is such a horrible bitter man.

is this up as a podcast yet?

Ahwell

Blanco100 wrote: »

is this up as a podcast yet?

This is the relevant bit I think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJysMDzt6rQ

EltonJohn69

jaykay74 wrote: »

Just catching up on this weeks podcasts today. Is Eoin away ? I notice Ken & Murph in the studio together. I missed any mention as to why Eoin is away and for how long.

Eoin is gone... probably permanently.... he went full Hollywood once he got that premier league gig... hanging out with David Moyes and the like... too good for podcasts now.....

Pete Moss

PIORUN wrote:

his mention of Walters crying on TV over his family is as low as I've ever heard from Keane. Even the biggest Keane lovers would be turned off him after his.

Hardly. I was at this last night. In fairness, a majority of it was interesting, and quite funny. Some good stories, particularly in the first half, where Neville was quite vocal and engaging.

But, the event quickly escalated into the "Cadbury's Roy Keane Appreciation Night". Honestly, in the second half Gary Neville was effectively a handbag beside Keane. No questions directed to Neville, just a platform to Keane to publicly level scores with Walters, Arter and Ward. Even after all of Keane's scathing criticisms of those three, which included "Jon Walters? You mean the man who was fired from Blackburn Rovers after been caught stealing from a team mate?", the place still had die hard fans chanting "Keano, Keano, Keano" at the end of the night.

The usual stuff about Saipan too. Nearly 20 years ago at this point and it's still seen as a relevant topic. There were people in the audience who weren't born 2002 when Saipan occurred. The story has been told to death at this stage.

Keane, never the type to take the spotlight from the Irish team before a big game.

Arghus

Fck me. Watched the footage there. He loves it, loves the attention. Some of the stuff he said about Walters went way beyond what was necessary - which did make it funny - but, still, awfully childish.

terrydel

Pete Moss wrote: »

Hardly. I was at this last night. In fairness, a majority of it was interesting, and quite funny. Some good stories, particularly in the first half, where Neville was quite vocal and engaging.

But, the event quickly escalated into the "Cadbury's Roy Keane Appreciation Night". Honestly, in the second half Gary Neville was effectively a handbag beside Keane. No questions directed to Neville, just a platform to Keane to publicly level scores with Walters, Arter and Ward. Even after all of Keane's scathing criticisms of those three, which included "Jon Walters? You mean the man who was fired from Blackburn Rovers after been caught stealing from a team mate?", the place still had die hard fans chanting "Keano, Keano, Keano" at the end of the night.

The usual stuff about Saipan too. Nearly 20 years ago at this point and it's still seen as a relevant topic. There were people in the audience who weren't born 2002 when Saipan occurred. The story has been told to death at this stage.

Keane, never the type to take the spotlight from the Irish team before a big game.

Hes a rent a quote, opinion on everything phoney, Mr anti media til he retires and cant keep his mouth shut. Hes a vindictive f**ker who just cant let anything go, always has to get a dig in for whatever grudge he refuses to let go, and always has to cross a line. Cannot stand him, or his fanboy supporters who are as bad if not worse than McGregor's lot.
Hes a horrible piece of work with zero class. Would love Walters to lamp him voer what he said. Bringing someone's family into it shows the level of the man. An utter w**ker.

Still Ill

Thought it was a telling mark of the man where he has a sly dig at McAteer for still dining out on the goal he scored against Holland whereas he has no problem still going on about how Ferguson treated him all those years ago.

dulux99

Having watched the full 2 hours interview I'm glad OTB got it instead of Second Captains. That type of environment wouldn't have suited Ken, I think he'd have challenged them alot more. Usually that's a good thing but it wouldn't have been in this case.

Keanes a boyhood hero of mine, it saddens me when I see his nasty side but there were some great moments in that interview.

corwill

I enjoy David Sneyd's contributions, insightful and with character, but without any agenda or 'very online' horse manure that I'm aware of.

Pete Moss

dulux99 wrote:

That type of environment wouldn't have suited Ken, I think he'd have challenged them alot more.

I think it could have been the opposite. Joe Molloy was out of his depth. Neville shut him down a few times. Molloy and Nathan Murphy couldn't challenge Keane at all. Maybe their hands were tied through sponsorship and the fact they were representing Newstalk. So I think SC could have argued more with Keane, given they're not really answerable to anyone.

I think Ken was right in today's show when he mentioned Keane is trapped in the persona he's built for himself now.

dulux99

Pete Moss wrote: »

I think it could have been the opposite. Joe Molloy was out of his depth. Neville shut him down a few times. Molloy and Nathan Murphy couldn't challenge Keane at all. Maybe their hands were tied through sponsorship and the fact they were representing Newstalk. So I think SC could have argued more with Keane, given they're not really answerable to anyone.

I think Ken was right in today's show when he mentioned Keane is trapped in the persona he's built for himself now.

Nah I disagree. Ken tries too hard to be right in those types of conversations and it can become confrontational - such as the Neville interview last year. I found Keane and Neville going back and forth themselves to be quite fascinating.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

dulux99 wrote: »

Nah I disagree. Ken tries too hard to be right in those types of conversations and it can become confrontational - such as the Neville interview last year. I found Keane and Neville going back and forth themselves to be quite fascinating.

Neville argues with everyone interviewing him. He sees himself as a great interviewer himself. I can think of multiple times he tried to take over an interview, the AFTV one last year, with Ken on SC, and again the other night.

dulux99

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Neville argues with everyone interviewing him. He sees himself as a great interviewer himself. I can think of multiple times he tried to take over an interview, the AFTV one last year, with Ken on SC, and again the other night.

Totally agree. Which is why I think it was better that the otb lads basically took a backseat after a while.

Come to think of it, both Neville and Keano probably think Ken is a massive prick.

but now I think...you should have just played anyway..

EltonJohn69

Keane does a great interview.... Is there a more interesting footballer to listen to ?

Naggdefy

Keane is a low c*nt. A tramp. Nothing in any way manly about him. You'd wonder what sort of family he comes from. Are they all like him or is he a bad apple.

He's laughing at Hull, Ipswich and similar clubs. He couldn't manage them for all his 'talent'. His own life post player is a failure. In his own words a buffer.

thenightman

I found SC's recent surprise interview with Richard Dunne a lot more interesting than the tripe Keane is happy to regurgitate for money.

From such a no nonsense player, to an absolute laughing stock as manager, coach and now pundit. The player Roy Keane would be sickened seeing current Keane even just turn up at a radio roadshow sponsored by a chocolate company, never mind actually seeming to enjoy it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

thenightman wrote: »

I found SC's recent surprise interview with Richard Dunne a lot more interesting than the tripe Keane is happy to regurgitate for money.

From such a no nonsense player, to an absolute laughing stock as manager, coach and now pundit. The player Roy Keane would be sickened seeing current Keane even just turn up at a radio roadshow sponsored by a chocolate company, never mind actually seeming to enjoy it.

He was paid? I thought it was for some charity?

dulux99

Hunky Monster wrote: »

He was paid? I thought it was for some charity?

Ticket sales go to charity but Keane and Neville definitely would have been paid. As discussed Neville did the exact same gig for Cadburys last year.

Arghus

First time in recorded history that Roy Keane has been compared to Trump.

Cienciano

Barry Glendenning on GFW giving second captains the credit for comparing Phil Neville to David Brent. Everyone is doing it now

Salvation Tambourine

corwill wrote: »

I enjoy David Sneyd's contributions, insightful and with character, but without any agenda or 'very online' horse manure that I'm aware of.

He just talks about football without everything seemingly being part of some big narrative. From what I'm hearing he's not trying to make a name for himself by being 'that guy' he's just reporting on what he sees and seems like a sound lad.

Also, after just looking at his Twitter he looks absolutely nothing like I thought he would.

https://twitter.com/DavidSneyd

Say Your Number

Nokotan wrote: »

He just talks about football without everything seemingly being part of some big narrative. From what I'm hearing he's not trying to make a name for himself by being 'that guy' he's just reporting on what he sees and seems like a sound lad.

Also, after just looking at his Twitter he looks absolutely nothing like I thought he would.

https://twitter.com/DavidSneyd

The young fella makes me so angry.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Keane does a great interview.... Is there a more interesting footballer to listen to ?

Nope! He’s box office. He’s an arsehole but he’s box office.

Brock Turnpike

Hunky Monster wrote: »

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Keane does a great interview.... Is there a more interesting footballer to listen to ?

Nope! He’s box office. He’s an arsehole but he’s box office.

Hmmm... Strange definition of box office. The majority of what he comes out with in these type of interviews is contradictory bull****.

thenightman

Box office means talking heartless bollocks and pissing all over your legacy as a player for a few quid from Cadburys?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Hmmm... Strange definition of box office. The majority of what he comes out with in these type of interviews is contradictory bull****.

Yeah but you can’t say it’s not entertaining. It’s two hours of ranting and raving. It’s box office. You don’t have to agree with the man. He’s great entertainment either way.

Brock Turnpike

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Hmmm... Strange definition of box office. The majority of what he comes out with in these type of interviews is contradictory bull****.

Yeah but you can’t say it’s not entertaining. It’s two hours of ranting and raving. It’s box office. You don’t have to agree with the man. He’s great entertainment either way.

We've very different definitions of what's entertaining/box office. And I say that someone who rates Keane as one of his favorite ever players.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

We've very different definitions of what's entertaining/box office. And I say that someone who rates Keane as one of his favorite ever players.

I’m an arsenal fan myself but I can appreciate Keane was one of the best players to ever play the game. I stand by what I said, arsehole but entertaining. The two hours of that interview was riveting. I laughed, I cringed, I was entertained.

EltonJohn69

Keane is genuinely quick witted...I have heard so many footballers on these road shows just regurgitate the same old story about a famous goal or game.... Keane always has something new to say..... Journalists act appalled, but for news papers and podcasts Keane is a dream for the content he creates #KenDreamsOfKeane

Pete Moss

dulux99 wrote:

Nah I disagree. Ken tries too hard to be right in those types of conversations and it can become confrontational - such as the Neville interview last year. I found Keane and Neville going back and forth themselves to be quite fascinating.

Exactly, Ken and Eoin can be challenging. Whereas, Joe and Nathan are accommodating. I would prefer an interviewer who challenge their guests, rather than comfort them. It's a personal preference though.

Keane - Neville exchange fascinating? Hardly. Truthfully, it was quite regurgitave and limp.

Say Your Number

Ken's maniacal laughter at the latest George Hamilton curse was great, liked Dion's rant about Keane as well.

terrydel

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Yeah but you can’t say it’s not entertaining. It’s two hours of ranting and raving. It’s box office. You don’t have to agree with the man. He’s great entertainment either way.

Says so much about the people who are entertained by his drivel.

Robert McGrath

Pete Moss wrote: »

Keane - Neville exchange fascinating? Hardly. Truthfully, it was quite regurgitave and limp.

Apologies for the tangent but I disagree about this bit. I thought it was quite revealing. Neville is critical of Keane in a way I didn’t expect. His take on the MUTV thing that led to Keane’s departure is basically “Roy was always a prick who said stupid things but he could get away with it when he was younger and better”

dulux99

Pete Moss wrote: »

Exactly, Ken and Eoin can be challenging. Whereas, Joe and Nathan are accommodating. I would prefer an interviewer who challenge their guests, rather than comfort them. It's a personal preference though.

Keane - Neville exchange fascinating? Hardly. Truthfully, it was quite regurgitave and limp.

It is down to preference. I would, as a United fan, prefer to listen to Keane and Neville go back and forth as opposed to Ken pushing his typical United hating agenda, which I hear often enough as it is.

Beersmith

Damien delaney with some amount of nonsense on the pod yesterday.

Dr. Bre

Beersmith wrote: »

Damien delaney with some amount of nonsense on the pod yesterday.

What was he saying ?

Aidric

corwill wrote: »

I enjoy David Sneyd's contributions, insightful and with character, but without any agenda or 'very online' horse manure that I'm aware of.

Always enjoy the contributions of Sneyd and Fanning on the Irish team. They dissect it in an honest way whilst articulating the frustrations of most supporters.

On the subject of the roadshow I understand Ken's frustration at trying to break down Keane's character. He was the ultimate tough man on the pitch but seems remarkably thin skinned off the pitch. His comments on Walters were uncomfortable and unbecoming. He lacks the basic empathy to be a successful manager of people yet seems completely unaware of it.

Beersmith

Dr. Bre wrote: »

What was he saying ?

Im not falling for that NON-world service member!

Say Your Number

Ken had a go at Neville for slagging off Joe Molloy on Twitter, just in case anyone thought there was any animosity between OTB and SC

https://twitter.com/kenearlys/status/1170294236576657408

Beersmith

Say Your Number wrote: »

Ken had a go at Neville for slagging off Joe Molloy on Twiiter, just in case anyone thought there was any animosity between OTB and SC

https://twitter.com/kenearlys/status/1170294236576657408

Well nevilles tweet was partly a dig at ken for last year too

Arghus

But, Gary, a lot of us are turning up just for Ken.

ziggyman17

Ken has jumped the shark with his constant obsession with David Luis, just because they share the same hair style.. If it is a joke then it has been flogged to death..

Still Ill

Anyone else devastated by Ken's lack of capitalisation in that Tweet?

Salvation Tambourine

Still Ill wrote: »

Anyone else devastated by Ken's lack of capitalisation in that Tweet?

Ken never really uses capital letters in his tweets, it's odd.

dulux99

Nokotan wrote: »

Ken never really uses capital letters in his tweets, it's odd.

Yeah I've noticed this before and been irrationality bothered by it. He literally writes for a living and it's like he's using poor grammar on purpose. I've never felt brave enough to voice this concern to anyone for fear of looking like a very sad individual

Salvation Tambourine

dulux99 wrote: »

Yeah I've noticed this before and been irrationality bothered by it. He literally writes for a living and it's like he's using poor grammar on purpose. I've never felt brave enough to voice this concern to anyone for fear of looking like a very sad individual

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