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Arghus

healy1835 wrote: »

Some 'interesting' debates going on over there. Definitely not World Service members I'd say

It's a bit mad. Thankfully this thread has stayed - largely - sane, but the OTB thread is a microcosom of how boards seems to be drifting as of late.

There's a lot of really angry posters filling up forums and the subjects and standard of debate can make for pretty grim reading at times. I tend to come away from boards these days feeling a bit depressed and I increasingly wonder if it's worth it. There is so much outraged drivel clogging the place up.

All off topic, of course.

Brock Turnpike

Arghus wrote: »

It's a bit mad. Thankfully this thread has stayed - largely - sane, but the OTB thread is a microcosom of how boards seems to be drifting as of late.

There's a lot of really angry posters filling up forums and the subjects and standard of debate can make for pretty grim reading at times. I tend to come away from boards these days feeling a bit depressed and I increasingly wonder if it's worth it. There is so much outraged drivel clogging the place up.

All off topic, of course.

I agree with you. There are only a limited number of thread I actually visit on boards now. I would never have paid much attention to politics or current affairs thread, but would click on any that piqued my interest occasionally. Nowadays I don't bother as I know I'll just end up feeling annoyed. I honestly wouldn't be enough of a regular to comment on whether boards has always been like that, but to me it seems that in the past year or so there was an infiltration of these type of people, and it has actually brought out the worst in posters who may otherwise have withheld their twisted opinions.

Anyway, we're going way off topic, although I sense the podcast yesterday may have been a good listen to try understand some of the behavior ( I haven't listened yet)

Cienciano

Arghus wrote: »

It's a bit mad. Thankfully this thread has stayed - largely - sane, but the OTB thread is a microcosom of how boards seems to be drifting as of late.

There's a lot of really angry posters filling up forums and the subjects and standard of debate can make for pretty grim reading at times. I tend to come away from boards these days feeling a bit depressed and I increasingly wonder if it's worth it. There is so much outraged drivel clogging the place up.

All off topic, of course.

It's the layout. 2 idiots arguing can have a thread top of the most popular boards like after hours for weeks. At this stage boards doesn't want to complete with more popular layouts like reddit because it might as well offer something different. Boards is like Nokia around 2009.
Lots of smaller boards have move to different platforms too. I use the PES board for doing organised leagues and we all moved to discord. It's 100 times better

Ivefoundgod

I'm a member since 2008 though I was a regular visitor prior to that as well. I haven't really contributed a huge amount outside of the specialist forums or specific threads like here. Unfortunately I'd agree with Arghus, the place has become overrun with alt-right, shinner bots and a plethora of other trolling posters. You can generally avoid that by sticking to the specialist forums and threads like this but there has been the occasional poster on this thread who has tried (unsuccessfully i might add which is a credit to the rest of posters) to stoke up some of that alt-right nonsense. Generally coincided with one of Kens politics podcasts.

After Hours and Current affairs have become complete cesspits and I avoid them usually though I do like to read up on the latest shinner outrage or if theres something topical I'll have a read. I find that once a thread is open for over 10+ pages it descends into the same few posters arguing over and over. I noticed recently that the same 10 or less posters are currently having pretty much the same arguement in the "FF/FG/GP government thread" and the "has SF vanished thread". I don't think there is a solution to it really and its shame as AH used to be compulsive reading for me when I was in college.

I find r/ireland is good but theres a significant number of similar posters over there too but the downvotes often takes care of them.

I used to play in the PES league Cienciano, that was a good friendly community so glad to see you are keeping it going even if its outside of boards. I suspect that is what will eventually happen with most of the smaller communities.

Hotblack Desiato

Obrieski wrote: »

A shocking story really, very tough upbringing.
Really shone a light on the work of Marcus Rashford when you hear first hand how he used to walk to school aged 5 or 6 just so he could eat.

Something is very, very wrong in that society and has been for a long time.

Arghus

Ken was struggling to keep up with your man at times yesterday.

Not that I wasn't either of course.

Smell the glove

elefant wrote: »

I mean, whatever about his reasons for not wanting to share the other part of his life with new acquaintances, that's a ridiculous false equivalence. This guy is a household name for vast swathes of the country.

I genuinely never heard of him 🀣

Salvation Tambourine

I burst out laughing at Ken's description and likeness to a Simpsons character of an angry Klopp yesterday

ongarite

Ken really has his vigour back now that he has ample ammunition from Frank Lampard's Times newspaper puff piece.

BikeRacer

ongarite wrote: »

Ken really has his vigour back now that he has ample ammunition from Frank Lampard's Times newspaper puff piece.

I can't believe you've said the 'F' word.

Say Your Number

I do agree with Ken anytime you see someone parrot those stupid American buzzwords, you know you're not in the presence of an intellectual heavyweight.

CiaranW

Say Your Number wrote: »

I do agree with Ken anytime you see someone parrot those stupid American buzzwords, you know you're not in the presence of an intellectual heavyweight.

Normally I wouldn't agree with anything Ken Early has to about..... But I agree on this one.

jaykay74

I noticed a few times recently Ken invent dialogue between people like a discussion between VAR lads and the the ref in today's pod regarding the arsenal game. In classic football speak. Worth the monthly fee alone

Might have done it in the chat with Wilson and MD last day or so too.

yermandan

'Mikel Arteta turns up at the post-match press conference wearing a tie made out of a fox's tail'

healy1835

Ken's desciption of Suarez as 'The Messi Whisperer' the other day

unplayable

is ken off the fags again i wonder..

JuanJose

unplayable wrote: »

is ken off the fags again i wonder..

Hmmmm...not sure but, as he admitted recently, his brain doesn't function normally in the AM. Isn't that where his dubbing of on-field conversations started?
More early morning podcasts so, please!

EltonJohn69

A dark day for Frank. It’s crazy that things like this can happen.

ongarite

If Jose loses today, then Ken will be in his element tomorrow.

EltonJohn69

ongarite wrote: »

If Jose loses today, then Ken will be in his element tomorrow.

Frank smashed !
Jose masterclass !!
Luiz humiliated !!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ken is absent tomorrow.

Prediction: Richie Sadler doing the football show tomorrow.

Ol' Donie

There was no Jose masterclass today.

He crossed his fingers amd hoped Arsenal did an Arsenal, which of course they did.

EltonJohn69

Ol' Donie wrote: »

There was no Jose masterclass today.

He crossed his fingers amd hoped Arsenal did an Arsenal, which of course they did.

Jose was like a relentless bloodhound today. It was foolish for so many to write him off.

siblers

Apart from the tribute to Jack, today's episode was very boring

I don't think they needed to spend that much time on City

Brock Turnpike

siblers wrote: »

Apart from the tribute to Jack, today's episode was very boring

I don't think they needed to spend that much time on City

Agree. Especially not with the bluffer Delaney being one of the guys they chose to discuss it with.

MercuryBoy

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Agree. Especially not with the bluffer Delaney being one of the guys they chose to discuss it with.

+1

I also found it odd that in addition to UEFA not knowing their own rules, it seems no journalist has read them either..surely some journalist could have spotted the "5 year time bar" rule before all of this went to appeal ?

Ol' Donie

MercuryBoy wrote: »

+1

I also found it odd that in addition to UEFA not knowing their own rules, it seems no journalist has read them either..surely some journalist could have spotted the "5 year time bar" rule before all of this went to appeal ?

Isn't it really, really weird that nobody anywhere noticed this?

Nobody in Uefa, none of their lawyers, no journos anywhere?

FFP rules aren't even that old, surely whoever wrote it was paying even a tiny bit of attention to it's most high profile use ever?

Ol' Donie

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/jul/14/david-squires-on-the-life-and-times-of-jack-charlton

I don't recall ever being moved to tears by a cartoon before

Jim Root

Ol' Donie wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/jul/14/david-squires-on-the-life-and-times-of-jack-charlton

I don't recall ever being moved to tears by a cartoon before

gave me goosebumps that.

MercuryBoy

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Isn't it really, really weird that nobody anywhere noticed this?

Nobody in Uefa, none of their lawyers, no journos anywhere?

FFP rules aren't even that old, surely whoever wrote it was paying even a tiny bit of attention to it's most high profile use ever?

Yeah, and that nobody has mentioned it either! It doesn't add up at all, a quick search through the FFP rules online shows the 5 year time limit...

dr.kenneth noisewater

MercuryBoy wrote: »

Yeah, and that nobody has mentioned it either! It doesn't add up at all, a quick search through the FFP rules online shows the 5 year time limit...

The alleged offences took place between 2012-16 some were within the 5 year window but most took place outside it. I heard on the Athletic podcast(I think) discussing it that they hoped they could show a pattern and the time limit wouldn't matter or something along those lines.
The details only emerged in 2018 so they had to be seen as doing something I think.

MercuryBoy

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

The alleged offences took place between 2012-16 some were within the 5 year window but most took place outside it. I heard on the Athletic podcast(I think) discussing it that they hoped they could show a pattern and the time limit wouldn't matter or something along those lines.
The details only emerged in 2018 so they had to be seen as doing something I think.

I see, seems fairly obvious that UEFA wanted to put up the pretence of punishment and City always knew it was a charade...what's strange is that everyone else took UEFA so seriously ... The likes of Miguel Delaney made it out to be: "A seismic moment in the game ...yada yada"....it seems they didn't have a leg to stand on...

Ol' Donie

MercuryBoy wrote: »

I see, seems fairly obvious that UEFA wanted to put up the pretence of punishment and City always knew it was a charade...what's strange is that everyone else took UEFA so seriously ... The likes of Miguel Delaney made it out to be: "A seismic moment in the game ...yada yada"....it seems they didn't have a leg to stand on...

Well, when you say took Uefa seriously, did anybody in the whole world actually think it would happen? The ban I mean.

EltonJohn69

Need to get the FBI involved. They would have had Mansour, Pep, De Bruyne all in handcuffs very quickly.

Arghus

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Well, when you say took Uefa seriously, did anybody in the whole world actually think it would happen? The ban I mean.

I never believed for literally one second that City would get banned.

Thought all the talk about it initially was ridiculous, it was never ever going to happen.

Brock Turnpike

Can't have been the only one who had a little chuckle when Jack's biographer mentioned they were eating fish and chips?

kilns

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Agree. Especially not with the bluffer Delaney being one of the guys they chose to discuss it with.

Is he really good mates with Ken or something? They have him on way too often considering the much more high quality football journos they could have on

Ol' Donie

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Can't have been the only one who had a little chuckle when Jack's biographer mentioned they were eating fish and chips?

I got fish n chips for dinner today. I heard it's full of prootein.

Brock Turnpike

kilns wrote: »

Is he really good mates with Ken or something? They have him on way too often considering the much more high quality football journos they could have on

Yes, they're mates alright.

Cienciano

Arghus wrote: »

I never believed for literally one second that City would get banned.

Thought all the talk about it initially was ridiculous, it was never ever going to happen.

Yeah, it's sad really. I don't think anyone really thought it would stick.

boccy23

Has a sh*t footballer ever generated more airtime than James McClean. :mad:

healy1835

My biggest issue with McClean is that he's an absolutely filthy player. Launching into tackles when there's no need, leaving plenty on players after the ball is gone. Probably in a minority here, but I thought that tackle on Milik in the Aviva a few years back was a shocker. Clearly meant to do him. I'm all for a good 50/50 or a tough challenge, but he's just trying to hurt guys.

Sultan of Bling

healy1835 wrote:

My biggest issue with McClean is that he's an absolutely filthy player. Launching into tackles when there's no need, leaving plenty on players after the ball is gone. Probably in a minority here, but I thought that tackle on Milik in the Aviva a few years back was a shocker. Clearly meant to do him. I'm all for a good 50/50 or a tough challenge, but he's just trying to hurt guys.

Probably one of his best games. Totally changed the game when he came on. The poles couldn't handle him. The poles were in complete control beforehand.

If VAR was around then, who knows. He left a marker as they say. Similar with Keane on overmars.

Arghus

healy1835 wrote: »

My biggest issue with McClean is that he's an absolutely filthy player. Launching into tackles when there's no need, leaving plenty on players after the ball is gone. Probably in a minority here, but I thought that tackle on Milik in the Aviva a few years back was a shocker. Clearly meant to do him. I'm all for a good 50/50 or a tough challenge, but he's just trying to hurt guys.

I totally agree with you, he's a dirty player. But I remember that tackle clearly changing the game. The crowd responded to it instantly and Ireland suddenly found more urgency. Can't condone it, but it definitely had an effect.

In general though his lack of brains on the field is usually quite frustrating.

boccy23

boccy23 wrote: »

Has a sh*t footballer ever generated more airtime than James McClean. :mad:

It’s worth talking about. He’s dead right anyway.

Blanco100

If McClean was any good he would be a legend in fairness. Talks the talk but his talent is nowhere near the level needed to be a key man in the Ireland set up. As bad as this Ireland team is.

boccy23

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s worth talking about. He’s dead right anyway.

I don't deny that. But it is the same discussion that has been had the previous 3,4,5... when the poppy protest or the twitter abuse or whatever arises. This time it was that the culture allows the same discussion again against the backdrop of Black Lives Matter.

kilns

I think McClean will start to drift out of the Irish consciousness soon as I cant see him being the type of player Kenny likes or could work with based on the fact that he is a very limited player and if Kenny wants to play good football and hold onto the ball he simply cant do that with McClean in the team.

So he may be in squads but he will not get any game time

srfc d16

kilns wrote: »

I think McClean will start to drift out of the Irish consciousness soon as I cant see him being the type of player Kenny likes or could work with based on the fact that he is a very limited player and if Kenny wants to play good football and hold onto the ball he simply cant do that with McClean in the team.

So he may be in squads but he will not get any game time

I'd imagine he likes him quite a bit seeing as he signed him for Derry and played him for 3/4 seasons.

yermandan

Best egomaniacs yet today. I was howling

dr.kenneth noisewater

yermandan wrote:

Best egomaniacs yet today. I was howling

You really felt for the guy alright!