**Spoilers** Series 7, Episode 11 - "The Crimson Horror"

Hashtag_HEEL

SparklersJo wrote: »

Fact! I thought that too. We can but dream!

There's probably some fan-fic floating around of it!

ebbsy

bradyle wrote: »

I likd that! Not sure what my feelings are about the kids though!

Cybermen and kids ? Another Earthshock perhaps ?

Very unlikely.......

Interrobang

I enjoyed the episode - good, old-fashioned fun and some great touches like Thomas Thomas, the priapic screwdriver and the Tegan reference.

I was disappointed by how they addressed (or didn't address) new Clara, though. The reactions of Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax were what I was most looking forward to from this episode and it was all a bit m'eh.

The end was a bit of a 'Noooo! Don't go there!' moment for me. Clara seeing the London Victorian photo will obviously have repercussions, but all I could think was, no, please don't drag a couple of kids into the mix. I have faith in Neil Gaiman's ability to pull a kiddie episode out of the bag, but really hope they won't become a permanent fixture.

pixelburp

I had another look at the episode, and I enjoyed it a little more the second time around; it's still a total mess, a mix of half-baked ideas or copouts, with a pretty weak resolution / third-act (nitpick: how did Strax get down from the top of the chimney to join his friends?).

I also found a lot of the musical cues to be utterly obtrusive - building up & then climaxing (uhm) at weird moments - and the problem of loudness seemed worse than normal. It's a shame because visually I think Moffat-Who has been consistently great to look at, often looking suitably atmospheric, if not cinematic & belying the reduced budgets

To be honest, like a lot of the weaker Who, it's carried by the sheer energy & vigour of the cast and their dialogue; I've said it before but when it wants to be, Dr. Who is one of the funniest / wittiest shows on TV. Also, props to Diana Rigg for taking a fairly paper-thin role and turning it up to 11. She rocks.

Interrobang

pixelburp wrote: »

I also found a lot of the musical cues to be utterly obtrusive - building up & then climaxing (uhm) at weird moments - and the problem of loudness seemed worse than normal.

Agreed. It's unnecessarily loud at times, extremely irritating and detracts from rather than adds to the scene.

pixelburp wrote: »

Also, props to Diana Rigg for taking a fairly paper-thin role and turning it up to 11. She rocks.

Yes, she does. Between this and Lady Olenna, it's great having her back on our screens. I only found out afterwards that the actress who played her daughter Ada in the episode is her daughter in real life.

K-9

Interrobang wrote: »

Yes, she does. Between this and Lady Olenna, it's great having her back on our screens. I only found out afterwards that the actress who played her daughter Ada in the episode is her daughter in real life.

Her first acting role too, which I found amazing.

I liked it, though maybe that was more a reaction to a disappointing Tardis episode. Overall, the Clara arc is stalling for me, to me it is taking away from the character development, I don't think her character has developed much at all.

That is supposed to change a bit in the next episode, though my initial thought is they've left it a bit late. Read a 10/10 review about the next episode, then again the same reviewer gave the Journey the same, and I felt short changed. This one seems more promising though, a bit of a much needed reboot for the cybermen.

mewso

K-9 wrote: »

Her first acting role too, which I found amazing.

Not sure where you got that from. Shes been in loads of stuff.

I really enjoyed this episode. I'm becoming less and less enamored with playing "spot the clues for the series arc"* game and would happily watch good enjoyable self contained episodes every time.

*obviously the arc was referred to but meh. We've probably been watching the master disguised as the doctor for the whole series or something.

Art_Wolf

BuffyBot wrote: »

The ending did seem a little forced

I liked it up to the point of the kids and how they somehow find these old pictures and figure everything out. Nah, couldn't be photoshop - I would be able to tell by the pixels. Time travel is the only possibility.

Fingers crossed they are not real kids...

BuffyBot

Well, yes - I'm hoping there is a little pay off to it. Otherwise it's just a bit lazy.

K-9

mewso wrote: »

Not sure where you got that from. Shes been in loads of stuff.

I really enjoyed this episode. I'm becoming less and less enamored with playing "spot the clues for the series arc"* game and would happily watch good enjoyable self contained episodes every time.

*obviously the arc was referred to but meh. We've probably been watching the master disguised as the doctor for the whole series or something.

Was reading a review and I thought they meant the daughter had no experience, took it up wrong no doubt!

K-9

K-9 wrote: »

Was reading a review and I thought they meant the daughter had no experience, took it up wrong no doubt!

You might have been reading something entirely different :eek::pac:

Morag

"Trouble at Mill" I roared laughing, it was a good episode and nice to see the Dr get rescued and to see more of Madam Vastra and Jenny.