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Gun On the Street

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  • #152
    SeaDaily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭SeaDaily


    MadsL wrote: »
    By that logic cars are designed to race, therefore far too dangerous to be allowed on the public streets.

    This comment is so stupid it angers me. What logic exactly were you using to come up with this nonsense. It's obvious that you lack even the most basic common sense. CARS THAT ARE ALLOWED ON PUBLIC STREETS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO RACE. The cars on the street are designed to get people from a to b in comfort.

    Are you suggesting that the latest Micra that came off the line was designed so that it would go as fast as possible from a to b? If it was, then Nissan did a really bad job. F1 cars and rally cars are designed to race and these couldn't be more different than the cars we see on the roads. Such a ridiculous comment.....


  • #153
    SeaDaily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭SeaDaily


    shane547 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure most anti gun folk would be quick to change their tune if they found themselves being one of the unlucky ones where a gun might save their or a family members life.

    And what scenario might this be? In a country like Ireland you will NEVER need a gun to defend yourself. The only reason you may need a gun is if guns were made legal. Then the criminals will have guns and the public would need guns to fight against the criminals with guns and the police would need guns to kill the criminals with the guns and then the criminals would get ever more deadly guns to kill the police. It's a vicious circle and one that has developed in America. The solution to the gun problem is not to get more guns. In Ireland we have the ideal scenario where guns aren't legal are therefore just are not a problem. Surely it is undeniable that if no-one had guns in America (like in Ireland) it would be a much safer place?

    But even as I write this I know there is a pro-gun commenter preparing to tell me why guns are infact, not deadly objects made for the sole purpose of killing, but instead the objects that keep the world safe. These people must just have issues if they are constantly worrying about the next person who might try to rob their house that they may have to kill. It's a sad life if you have to live like this.


  • #154
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,818 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    In Ireland we have the ideal scenario where guns aren't legal are therefore just are not a problem.

    Firearms aren't legal? Jeez better turn mine in so.


  • #155
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    In Ireland we have the ideal scenario where guns aren't legal are therefore just are not a problem.

    Do you just not read newspapers or watch the news?

    Perhaps you think this this this and this are not 'problems'


  • #156
    garv123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    And what scenario might this be? In a country like Ireland you will NEVER need a gun to defend yourself. The only reason you may need a gun is if guns were made legal. Then the criminals will have guns and the public would need guns to fight against the criminals with guns and the police would need guns to kill the criminals with the guns and then the criminals would get ever more deadly guns to kill the police. It's a vicious circle and one that has developed in America. The solution to the gun problem is not to get more guns. In Ireland we have the ideal scenario where guns aren't legal are therefore just are not a problem. Surely it is undeniable that if no-one had guns in America (like in Ireland) it would be a much safer place?

    But even as I write this I know there is a pro-gun commenter preparing to tell me why guns are infact, not deadly objects made for the sole purpose of killing, but instead the objects that keep the world safe. These people must just have issues if they are constantly worrying about the next person who might try to rob their house that they may have to kill. It's a sad life if you have to live like this.

    Do us a favour instead of posting ignorant comments and actually google Irish gun laws..

    There are over 220,000 Legally owned guns in Ireland and they reckon 30-40% more of Illegally owned guns..
    And criminals will not own legal guns because they wont be granted licence.. Out of all the crap posted in the thread your post is definitely the worst.

    you should educate yourself before commenting on things you know nothing about in future..


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  • #157
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    And what scenario might this be? In a country like Ireland you will NEVER need a gun to defend yourself. The only reason you may need a gun is if guns were made legal. Then the criminals will have guns and the public would need guns to fight against the criminals with guns and the police would need guns to kill the criminals with the guns and then the criminals would get ever more deadly guns to kill the police. It's a vicious circle and one that has developed in America. The solution to the gun problem is not to get more guns. In Ireland we have the ideal scenario where guns aren't legal are therefore just are not a problem. Surely it is undeniable that if no-one had guns in America (like in Ireland) it would be a much safer place?

    Does this not assume that everyone is equal?

    There were robberies, muggings and murders before guns were invented, and even in Ireland, where few criminals have guns, such activities still exist. It's fine for us of keyboard-warrior age to believe that if confronted with gun-less attackers we'd be able to fight them off, maybe with the aid of a hurley, but those of us who aren't as spry as perhaps we once used to be, or who are wheelchair bound, or maybe are a limb short, indeed, those of us who are usually the primary targets for violence (face it, how many victims tend to be 25-year-old male weightlifters?) are about as dangerous as the attacker when armed.

    NTM


  • #158
    Suryavarman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    MadsL wrote: »
    Do you just not read newspapers or watch the news?

    Perhaps you think this this this and this are not 'problems'

    These stories are obviously made up. There aren't any guns in Ireland sure!


  • #159
    SeaDaily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭SeaDaily


    What I meant was guns legally issued to people for self protection. I wasn't clear at all sorry. I know guns are legally issued for hunting etc.


  • #160
    TheLB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭TheLB


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    What I meant was guns legally issued to people for self protection. I wasn't clear at all sorry. I know guns are legally issued for hunting etc.

    You can legally shoot an intruder with your gun in Ireland with the passing of the Criminal Law Bill in 2010.


  • #161
    SeaDaily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭SeaDaily


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    It's fine for us of keyboard-warrior age to believe that if confronted with gun-less attackers we'd be able to fight them off, maybe with the aid of a hurley, but those of us who aren't as spry as perhaps we once used to be, or who are wheelchair bound, or maybe are a limb short, indeed, those of us who are usually the primary targets for violence (face it, how many victims tend to be 25-year-old male weightlifters?) are about as dangerous as the attacker when armed.

    You're right these people should just shoot the burglars dead on the spot. Fantastic solution.:rolleyes:


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  • #162
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    You're right these people should just shoot the burglars dead on the spot. Fantastic solution.:rolleyes:

    How would you react then if you woke up in the middle of the night and there was burglars in your house?
    Bearing in mind that you can't even be sure they are burglars, they could be there to kill somebody, they could be there to rape your mother/sister/wife.
    And if they know there is something valuable hidden, they will beat you or whoever they find to get what they're looking for. I can show you lots of examples in Ireland, of people being tied up and beaten in their homes during burglaries, and sometimes they don't survive.
    So what would you do?

    Here's recent example http://www.herald.ie/news/pensioner-savagely-beaten-tied-up-and-left-to-die-by-burglars-28848633.html


  • #163
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    TheLB wrote: »
    You can legally shoot an intruder with your gun in Ireland with the passing of the Criminal Law Bill in 2010.


    You could do it before then as well. The catch is that the licensing and storage regime is such that one isn't likely to have one handy for the purpose, so it's more an academic capability.


  • #164
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    SeaDaily wrote: »
    You're right these people should just shoot the burglars dead on the spot. Fantastic solution.:rolleyes:

    It's a bit messy, but effective.

    However, there are usually a few caveats. Can't shoot someone just for being a burglar in certain cases such as when he has indicated an intent to surrender, for example.


  • #165
    Reindeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    It's a bit messy, but effective.

    However, there are usually a few caveats. Can't shoot someone just for being a burglar in certain cases such as when he has indicated an intent to surrender, for example.

    That depends on what State you are in and how you handle the call to 911.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jqLie6-Y0


  • #166
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I don't believe they had indicated an intent to surrender.


  • #167
    Reindeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    I don't believe they had indicated an intent to surrender.

    I believe we'll never know...


  • #168
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    Even if they did I'm pretty Joe doesn't know the spanish word for surrender.


  • #169
    alex.simpson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭alex.simpson


    the problem with guns in america isnt the guns, its the americans mentality, and the fact that shootouts and such are glorified in media and movies. most modern action movie heroes, if not all, go around shooting 'bad guys' and everyone wants to be like their hero, right?
    and where i say americans mentality i think i speak for most nations tbh


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