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Barbarians Squad Announcements v England & Lions

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I'd like to see Murphy play for the BaaBaas.


    That aside, it's a strong-looking selection...some world class players there. Must be one of the stronger BaaBaas sides in recent times. Probably better than the Lions...

    He played for them once a few years back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭Swiwi


    I see Jared Payne gets an early chance to impress Schmidt. I read he's signed on to Ulster for a bit more, so it looks as if he will throw in his lot with the men in green. Hopefully he gets to play centre, but I imagine more likely to get FB?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Swiwi wrote: »
    I see Jared Payne gets an early chance to impress Schmidt. I read he's signed on to Ulster for a bit more, so it looks as if he will throw in his lot with the men in green. Hopefully he gets to play centre, but I imagine more likely to get FB?

    Ireland's needs are more at centre, but Ulster's are very much more at fullback so hard to say really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭Chavways


    No Devin Toner

    Devastated :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    astonaidan wrote: »
    Not happy at all, wanted ROG :(

    To be fair a barbarians game would suit ROG due to the fact that tackling is not really needed in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I'd like to see Murphy play for the BaaBaas.


    That aside, it's a strong-looking selection...some world class players there. Must be one of the stronger BaaBaas sides in recent times. Probably better than the Lions...

    I actually think it's pretty weak. Remember that team from 09 that played Australia. Basically a mixture of south Africa, new Zealand and Shane Williams. That team was probably the best lions team ever. Back line was steyn, De Villiers, gear, habbanna, Montgomery and rococoko, and Shane Williams was on the bench. There was the same embarrassing amount of talent up front,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Ireland's needs are more at centre, but Ulster's are very much more at fullback so hard to say really.

    Hopefully Ulster's boom in the centre will lead to a boom for Ireland as well. I think there are 13 test matches until Payne becomes eligible so I'm hopeful that in that time Marshall, Olding, Griffin, O'Malley and Cave etc will get a shot at solving the approaching midfield issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Finalised Squad:
    http://www.planetrugby.com/lions/story/0,25883,3551_8713775,00.html

    Backs:

    Back Three: Jared Payne (Ulster), Rowan Varty (DeA Tigers and Hong Kong), Takudzwa Ngwenya (Biarritz Olympique and USA), Timoci Nagusa (Montpellier and Fiji),

    Centre: Joe Rokocoko (Bayonne and New Zealand), Elliot Daly (London Wasps), James Hook (Perpignan and Wales),

    10s: Nick Evans (Harlequins and New Zealand), Kahn Fotuali'i (Ospreys and Samoa),

    9s: Dwayne Peel (Sale Sharks and Wales), Dimitri Yachvili (Biarritz Olympique and France).

    Forwards:

    Props: Duncan Jones (Ospreys and Wales), B J Botha (Munster and South Africa), Paul James (Bath Rugby and Wales), Martin Castrogiovanni (Leicester and Italy), Andrea Lo Cicero (Racing Metro 92 and Italy),

    Hookers: Matthew Rees (Scarlets and Wales), Leonardo Ghiraldini (Benetton Treviso and Italy), Schalk Brits (Saracens and South Africa),

    Locks: Marco Wentzel (London Wasps and South Africa), Jim Hamilton (Gloucester Rugby and Scotland), Dean Mumm (Exeter Chiefs and Australia), Samu Manoa (Northampton and USA),

    Backrowers: Francois Louw (Bath Rugby and South Africa), Sam Jones (London Wasps), Alessandro Zanni (Benetton Treviso and Italy), Sergio Parisse (Stade Francais and Italy), Imanol Harinordoquy (Biarritz Olympique and France).


    Possible Team:
    Lo Cicero, Brits, Castrogiovanni, Hamilton, Manoa, Zanni, Harinordoquy, Parisse;
    Fotuali'i, Evans, Nagusa, Hook, Rokocoko, Ngwenya, Payne

    Bench: Rees, James, BJ Botha, Mumm, Louw, Yachvili, Daly, Varty


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    Barbaians twitter said they tried to get Irish players but they couldn't be released, Madigan playing outside Fotuali'i would have been sickening


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    That's a pretty awesome line up, only question maybe is if they will click when playing together. Do they only play one game, the first game the Lions have ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    That's a pretty awesome line up, only question maybe is if they will click when playing together. Do they only play one game, the first game the Lions have ?

    No they play England the week before. They'll rotate the squad between those two matches.

    If some of the Lions involved in the Rabo and Aviva final are rested then the Lions might struggle, assuming the Barbarians click. You have to think they will give it everything, since it will be the only opportunity for many of those players to ever play the Lions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Really hope they use Kahn at 9 and not 10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    A lot of those players could be out of those positions. Payne at 13, Daly at 15, Rokocoko at 14, Hook at 10, Kahn at 9, Mumm at 6 etc.

    I'd like to see

    James, Brits, Castrogiovanni, Wentzel, Hamilton, Zanni, Hari, Parisse
    Yach, Evans, Ngwenya, Hook, Payne, Rokocoko, Daly

    I suppose Hook has to play 12 because there's not much else available. Would love to see him at 10 outside Yachvilli and inside a more direct 12.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭Swiwi


    Rococoko, centre?

    I know he plays there a bit in France, from what I've read he's not setting the world on fire. Haven't actually ever seen him play there, though. Makes me think he's just a shadow of his previously brilliant self, and is just slow (& ?fat) these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Swiwi wrote: »
    Rococoko, centre?

    I know he plays there a bit in France, from what I've read he's not setting the world on fire. Haven't actually ever seen him play there, though. Makes me think he's just a shadow of his previously brilliant self, and is just slow (& ?fat) these days.

    He's been much better at centre for Bayonne than on the wing by all accounts. I just tried to balance out the positions between the players named.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Grimebox wrote: »
    Stringer has played for them already for one

    He played for them once a few years back.

    A number of players in the squad have already been Baabaas - it's not a one thing in a career opportunity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭Swiwi


    Does anyone know how the BaaBaas team is selected? Are the coaches appointed, and they do the selecting, or are the players chosen by a board of members from the club? Or something else?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Swiwi wrote: »
    Does anyone know how the BaaBaas team is selected? Are the coaches appointed, and they do the selecting, or are the players chosen by a board of members from the club? Or something else?

    I think it's the board but I would imagine they consult with some highly respected people. I'd imagine Dai Young had a big say as well, especially on the young Premiership lads who have made the squad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    Barbarians team vs England:
    15 Elliot Daly, 14 Timoci Nagusa, 13 Casey Laulala, 12 Mike Tindall, 11 Taku Ngwenya, 10 James Hook, 9 Dwayne Peel, 8 Imanol Harinordoquy, 7 Jonathan Poff, 6 Alessandro Zanni, 5 Marco Wentzel, 4 Jim Hamilton, 3 James Johnston, 2 Matthew Rees, 1 Andrea Lo Cicero.

    Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Paul James, 18 Duncan Jones, 19 Dean Mumm, 20 Sam Jones, 21 Dimitri Yachvili, 22 Stephen Jones, 23 Rowan Varty.

    Who the hell is Jonathan Poff?
    Edit: http://www.wasps.co.uk/playerdisplaySS.ink?playertype=P&seasonl=2012/2013&squadno=8747
    Fair enough so.

    not the most star-studded BaaBaas line-up ever but should be able to play some nice rugby. With Nagusa and Ngwenya, no shortage of pace out wide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Poff is a neighbour of mine! He is an open side. Very strong player for wasps but not sure hes a baabaas type player really.

    Pretty sure he's leaving this summer as well. Not sure where to.


    Is that 5 Wasps in the Baabaas 23?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I know he played for them in 2011 but they shoulda selected Isa. Would have been a perfect way to end, half way home in a jamboree match against a number of his old colleagues and opponents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    If Kahn played at 9 that'd be a really strong team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Or even Yachvili at 9 would've been just as good. Not so sure about Peel though. Will be interesting to see what he's like these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    I'd imagine the squad will be rotated for next week and the best team will be put out for the match vs the lions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I know he played for them in 2011 but they shoulda selected Isa. Would have been a perfect way to end, half way home in a jamboree match against a number of his old colleagues and opponents

    Having played for them before does not preclude anyone from being called up. The Baabaas have several previous players in this tour squad. The Rabo final would have worked against Isa more than anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    England team:

    Brown, Wade, Joseph, Twelvetrees, Yarde, Burns, Wigglesworth
    Kvesic, Morgan, Johnson, Attwood, Launchbury, Wilson, Webber (C), Corbisiero.

    Subs: Paice, Marler, Thomas, Myall, B. Vunipola, Thomas, May, Eastmond.

    With their Lions missing as well as Leicester and Northampton contingents, England are in experimental mode here.

    EDIT: in fact, England have more uncapped players than the BaaBaas!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Surprised Daly didn't make the English squad or did his Babaa's selection have something to do with that


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭the baby bull elephant


    England team:

    Brown, Wade, Joseph, Twelvetrees, Yarde, Burns, Wigglesworth
    Kvesic, Morgan, Johnson, Attwood, Launchbury, Wilson, Webber (C), Corbisiero.

    Subs: Paice, Marler, Thomas, Myall, B. Vunipola, Thomas, May, Eastmond.

    With their Lions missing as well as Leicester and Northampton contingents, England are in experimental mode here.

    EDIT: in fact, England have more uncapped players than the BaaBaas!

    A lot of England fans would prefer a lot of those players to their more recent teams. If it clicks it'll be very good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    England team:

    Brown, Wade, Joseph, Twelvetrees, Yarde, Burns, Wigglesworth
    Kvesic, Morgan, Johnson, Attwood, Launchbury, Wilson, Webber (C), Corbisiero.

    Subs: Paice, Marler, Thomas, Myall, B. Vunipola, Thomas, May, Eastmond.

    With their Lions missing as well as Leicester and Northampton contingents, England are in experimental mode here.

    EDIT: in fact, England have more uncapped players than the BaaBaas!

    There's some incredible athletes in that team.
    Wade, Joseph, Yarde in the backs and Johnson and Launchbury in second row are quality in terms of pure athleticism.

    Couple of plodders around to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Looking forward to this match, England have some exciting backs. Should hopefully be a free flowing game


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Freddie Burns scores after 45 seconds!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Kvesic and Launchbury with turnovers. Two quality players there.

    Mike Brown is such a top class player as well, it was his kick that led to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Going to have to mute the TV if Sky commentators keep mentioning the Lions whenever Hook touches the ball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Kiwi_knock wrote: »
    Going to have to mute the TV if Sky commentators keep mentioning the Lions whenever Hook touches the ball

    Sky jinxed Hook when he played for USAP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Baabaas not gelling at all yet...but am giving them a little time. Caps stats amazing, England XV 110 - Baabaas 629 :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Move hook to 12, tindall off and jones on to 10.

    Babas ball is stifled by tindall every time he touches it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Brown is having a good game, England gelling well, Baa Baas looking like they just met for the first time before the game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Tindall is the captain and coach. Also he's doing the work of an extra flanker out there. Just skip him when you need to send it wide and he's worth his place, bring Daly in instead.

    Brown and Wade are dangerous together... Really hope Quins don't sign Wade!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Zanni slapping himself across the face was hilarious


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Zanni slapping himself across the face was hilarious

    Wish butterfingers Tindall would do likewise


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Laulala is doing everything he can to get the baabaas going .

    Think he is built for this type of game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Next score is important. If Baa Baas score early it will make it interesting


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Kiwi_knock wrote: »
    Next score is important. If Baa Baas score early it will make it interesting

    Can't see it tbh. A lot of the Baa Baas are in exhibition/holiday mode while the English lads are looking to stake claims in the team


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Good try for Yarde, nice attacking play by England


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Yachvili should've started


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Just give Wade in a tiny bit of space and bam it's a try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    At least England are playing Baa Baa style


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Haha great tackle from Ngwenya on Varty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    .ak wrote: »
    Yachvili should've started

    I'd say he has a good chance of starting against the Lions with Kahn on the bench.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Dreadful game, will the real Baabaas please stand up.


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