missing girls found alive

April O Neill

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Not at all. Funny how people who pour scorn on psychics and astrologers and the like have their own set of irrational beliefs

Well, I don't. For some bizarre reason, you seem to have decided I do?

April O Neill

ilovesleep wrote: »

Didn't read much yet but I bet newpaper reports from their neighbourhood will reveal nothing but good about those men. Charming and always helpful. Any mistakes and wrongdoing will be backed with excuses and other things beyond their control. Fooling everyone that they're good people but absolute brutal sadists in disguise.

Like the BTK killer. *shudder*

TheLB

I think the 911 operator should be sacked regardless for the way he handled Amanda Berry's plea for help, but listen to the call again - it sounds like he called her a "fùcking bitch" when he hangs up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aoxryWaSqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Listen from 1:50 onwards

wadacrack

Ya he says fuxking b1tch..he must feel pretty stupid. the girl was trapped for 10 years and he failed to show any compassion or try to comprehend who he was talking to

Allyall

TheLB wrote: »

I think the 911 operator should be sacked regardless for the way he handled Amanda Berry's plea for help, but listen to the call again - it sounds like he called her a "fùcking bitch" when he hangs up.

Listen from 1:50 onwards

wadacrack wrote: »

Ya he says fuxking b1tch..he must feel pretty stupid. the girl was trapped for 10 years and he failed to show any compassion or try to comprehend who he was talking to

wolfpawnat

The neighbour is a hero! It is so angering that people are taking the píss out of him on FB and the like!

Dun laoire

Has anyone checked google street view for the house where they were kept? Some aulwan sitting on the porch talking to the neighbour. Someone needs to find out when the google car passed through that estate :cool:

Means Of Escape

Lord Trollington wrote: »

If this story was the plot for an upcoming movie script, I would say it wouldn't get next or near production stage.

The whole thing is quite unbelievable.

It will take many days,weeks,months for the whole story to come out.

The biggest question for me is how can someone go 10 years with 3 girls in his basement undetected.

Looks like a neighbourhood where if you poked your nose in other people's business or houses you may end up in a morgue

Allyall

Lord Trollington wrote: »

If this story was the plot for an upcoming movie script, I would say it wouldn't get next or near production stage.

The whole thing is quite unbelievable.

It will take many days,weeks,months for the whole story to come out.

The biggest question for me is how can someone go 10 years with 3 girls in his basement undetected.

Worse... :eek: He had them in his Basement and in the Attic, so he was moving them up and down, and allegedly had them out the back garden at least once, at night time (naked).

It is crazy how they didn't get caught.

I read this yesterday, but i don't know where the source could have come from, because as far as i was aware, the girls hadn't (haven't) yet spoken to the Police in any detail.

Every time any of them tried to escape, they were beaten in the Stomach, also, if any of the girls got impregnated, they were beaten in the stomach to cause a miscarriage.


Ariel Castro has been charged with FOUR counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape. Brothers are not going to trial.

Castro's two brothers Pedro and Onil, originally arrested in the case, were not charged, said prosecutor Victor Perez at a news conference.

The charges came as two of the newly freed victims, Amanda Berry, now 27, and Gina DeJesus, 23, had family homecomings after vanishing separately from their Cleveland neighborhood nearly a decade ago.

Castro, 52, faces four counts of kidnapping relating to Berry, DeJesus, Michelle Knight, and Berry's 6-year-old daughter who was conceived and born during her mother's captivity, authorities said.

Thwip!

They've songified Charles Ramsey now

Chao

Joe prim

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Mental stuff.

Could be a film about this in a few years time

Already been done-Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, just more brothers and more singing.

Tombo2001

Seedy Arling wrote: »

Sure ban religion as well. It's only a load of auld hocus pocus.

actually pretty valid comparison......

religion gives people comfort in an uncertain world...

astrologers give people comfort in an uncertain world....

religion makes predictions about the future that it cant support....

astrologers make predictions about the future that they cant support.....

anyways.

fishy fishy

ilovesleep wrote: »

Did you see the cut of the 3 men in the papers?

Didn't read much yet but I bet newpaper reports from their neighbourhood will reveal nothing but good about those men. Charming and always helpful. Any mistakes and wrongdoing will be backed with excuses and other things beyond their control. Fooling everyone that they're good people but absolute brutal sadists in disguise.

two of them are innocent it seems - where does that leave your theory now?

syklops

fishy fishy wrote: »

two of them are innocent it seems - where does that leave your theory now?

They've not been charged. Doesn't mean they are innocent. The police have only tentatively spoken to the 3 girls. Their evidence will clear or convict the two brothers. If they knew, even if they didnt do any abusing then they are for the high jump.

fishy fishy

syklops wrote: »

They've not been charged. Doesn't mean they are innocent. The police have only tentatively spoken to the 3 girls. Their evidence will clear or convict the two brothers. If they knew, even if they didnt do any abusing then they are for the high jump.

so far I think the have been "cleared" - they should be free today

syklops

syklops wrote: »

They've not been charged. Doesn't mean they are innocent.

At this point, it does (or it should).

Until their guilt is proven, they're innocent as is the other brother (even though it would take a miracle to clear him with the evidence).

I do find it very hard to believe they were at barbeques at the house with their brother, as told by a neighbour, but had no idea three girls were chained up in the basement.

syklops

Candie wrote: »

At this point, it does (or it should).

Until their guilt is proven, they're innocent as is the other brother (even though it would take a miracle to clear him with the evidence).

I do find it very hard to believe they were at barbeques at the house with their brother, as told by a neighbour, but had no idea three girls were chained up in the basement.

You are right. Innocent until proven guilty. If they are genuinely innocent, its a shame that their pictures are on every news website on the net, and they will forever be associated with this.

Means Of Escape

syklops wrote: »

You are right. Innocent until proven guilty. If they are genuinely innocent, its a shame that their pictures are on every news website on the net, and they will forever be associated with this.

Agree. Like Harris and Roache even if they are proven innocent the fact that they were arrested and associated with the underage sex scandal it will hang around them like a bad smell forever.

ilovesleep

I don't get it. Were the men not living together? How could they not know abuse like that was happening under their roof?

refusetolose

ilovesleep wrote: »

I don't get it. Were the men not living together? How could they not know abuse like that was happening under their roof?

they weren't living together

InchicoreDude

But how on earth could 1 guy be capable of overpowering the 3 of them all the time??? Surely 3 v 1 would win.

Heroditas

InchicoreDude wrote: »

But how on earth could 1 guy be capable of overpowering the 3 of them all the time??? Surely 3 v 1 would win.

Mind games and threats.
Fritzl ensured his daughter and children didn't try to escape by saying that they would either be gassed or electrocuted if they tried to escape the cellar.
It's very possible this guy did something similar.

ElleEm

InchicoreDude wrote: »

But how on earth could 1 guy be capable of overpowering the 3 of them all the time??? Surely 3 v 1 would win.

They found chains and ropes in the property search.

ilovesleep

ElleEm wrote: »

They found chains and ropes in the property search.

So the girls were chained up.

God!

TheUsual

Not looking forward to this trial.

The more I hear from the charges in Court, the more I feel like I need a shower.

Allyall

InchicoreDude wrote: »

But how on earth could 1 guy be capable of overpowering the 3 of them all the time??? Surely 3 v 1 would win.

ilovesleep wrote: »

So the girls were chained up.

God!

Chained up in separate rooms it seems.
Jaysus...

It also is looking like the eldest, Michelle Knight (Who was never officially classed as missing) took most of the beatings..

There was a band member that used to go to practice in Ariel Castro's house. He was there last week.

On Thursday, a musician who often practiced at Ariel Castro’s house said he was there last week and heard noises, “like banging on the wall.” Ricky Sanchez said he asked Castro about it, and he blamed it on the dogs. He also said Castro — a bass guitarist in merengue and salsa bands — liked to play his music loud inside.
On his most recent visit, Sanchez said, a little girl came out from the kitchen and stared at him but didn’t say anything. He said he also noticed there were four or five locks on the outside door.

I am guessing, purely hypothetical, but is it possible he didn't lock up the 6 year old, because she is his daughter, and she may have helped Amanda Berry escape, or maybe gave Amanda a small amount of extra slack, to mind her child while he wasn't there.

Michelle Knight is still in hospital, apparently "recovering well".
Again, I'm guessing here, but given the circumstances probably not too far off the mark. I'd say Michelle Knight must've taken a recent beating.. Maybe it was her banging on the wall last week?

Lamina

Jaycee Duggard was kidnapped when she was 11 and held for 18 years. She was kept in the backgarden in a shed, and had two kids with the guy. He was a convicted sex offender and parole officers would visit the house every now and then. One time they visted and her and the kids were in the house and still nothing was done. They even all used to go out in public. It's bizarre how these things can be overlooked for so long.

the_monkey

BBC reporting he could be executed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22475771

a bit harsh !!

ilovesleep

the_monkey wrote: »

BBC reporting he could be executed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22475771

a bit harsh !!

Not one fcuking bit.

He kidnapped 3 girls and held them hostage and imprisoned them in his own home for 10 years and subjected them to torture.

Prison would be too good to him.

Hope he dies slowly. And painfully.

sunflower27

the_monkey wrote: »

BBC reporting he could be executed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22475771

a bit harsh !!

This has to be a wind-up -the harsh bit. Anyone that could imprison a person, sexual assault them repeatedly for a decade is not someone worthy of life.

Personally, I think death is an easy way out for this animal. He should be imprisoned himself, subjected to torture and feel every day what those women did.

ilovesleep

sunflower27 wrote: »

This has to be a wind-up -the harsh bit. Anyone that could imprison a person, sexual assault them repeatedly for a decade is not someone worthy of life.

Personally, I think death is an easy way out for this animal. He should be imprisoned himself, subjected to torture and feel every day what those women did.

That's so funny sunflower. I was thinking the same that perhaps death would be too good for him. That he should be subjected to the abuses that he inflicted upon those young women.

Maybe prison in one of those banged up abroad countries might do him good.

sulc84

Finally good news.Tv always have information about killing,good news are rare.

sunflower27

ilovesleep wrote: »

That's so funny sunflower. I was thinking the same that perhaps death would be too good for him. That he should be subjected to the abuses that he inflicted upon those young women.

Maybe prison in one of those banged up abroad countries might do him good.

What about hard physical labour interspersed with torture. I would like him tofeel the fear those poor women did. Never knowing what each day was going to bring.

The resilience of those women is truly remarkable. I cannot even imagine what they went through for a day let alone a decade.

Yes, one of those rat-infested, filthy prisons where he didn't know where or when his next beating was coming from would be suitable for this ahole.

ahnowbrowncow

the_monkey wrote: »

BBC reporting he could be executed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22475771

a bit harsh !!

One of the girls apparently had 5 miscarriages because he raped her numerous times and when pregnant punched her repeatedly in the abdomen. That's just one of the girls, who he kidnapped and and kept in captivity for 10 years. I'm guessing we'll hear of even more his crimes.

And you say execution is a bit harsh?

ilovesleep

sulc84 wrote: »

Finally good news.Tv always have information about killing,good news are rare.

I wish executions and the death penalty would be brought to this of the pond for serious crimes but unfortunately the eu banned it.

newballsplease

ilovesleep wrote: »

Not one fcuking bit.

He kidnapped 3 girls and held them hostage and imprisoned them in his own home for 10 years and subjected them to torture.

Prison would be too good to him.

Hope he dies slowly. And painfully.

Actually death is too good for him. He should be made to pay for the rest of his life, behind bars, getting a good beating from inmates now and again for being the dirty f**k he is.

Death pen is an easy way out for ****ers like him.

ilovesleep

newballsplease wrote: »

Actually death is too good for him. He should be made to pay for the rest of his life, behind bars, getting a good beating from inmates now and again for being the dirty f**k he is.

Death pen is an easy way out for ****ers like him.

I wish Hitler was alive today to sort out a fúck him.

Lone Stone

ilovesleep wrote: »

That's so funny sunflower. I was thinking the same that perhaps death would be too good for him. That he should be subjected to the abuses that he inflicted upon those young women.

Maybe prison in one of those banged up abroad countries might do him good.

But then who would do unto the guy who did unto him to him what he was doing unto them ! it would never end a never end... a never ending story.

Allyall

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wish Hitler was alive today to sort out a fúck him.

Or instead of reviving Hitler... THIS

The crocodile shears was an instrument of torture used in late medieval Europe and typically reserved for regicides – those who attempted (and, perhaps, succeeded) to assassinate the king. The shears were made of iron and were based upon the concept of pincers, but—instead of standard jaws or blades, crocodile shears ended in a pair of hemicylindrical blades that, when closed together, formed a long, narrow tube. The insides of the blades were generously lined with teeth or spikes. After being heated red-hot, the crocodile shears were applied to the erect penis, which—once exposed to sufficient tension—was torn from the prisoner’s body; or at the very least leading to severe arterial bleeding.

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Ohio Kidnapping law

If such kidnapping creates a substantial risk of serious physical harm to the victim, it is a felony of the first degree and the offender shall be sentenced to an indefinite prison term consisting of a minimum term of fifteen years and a maximum term of life imprisonment

So he would probably have got life anyway..

I can't imagine he'd get the death penalty.. But who knows...

THIS PRISON might be perfect for him. Beaten and raped every day, and shackled. He could be their Plaything.

dfx-

fishy fishy wrote: »

what would you expect the dispatcher to do exactly? Are you trained in dispatch yourself to give such advice :roll eyes: You do know that dispatchers at "trained" to stay calm and try to get info from the person - not go hysterical like some would want them do.

From the tapes I've heard, they certainly were not calm if they were trained to be so.

Dismissive, impatient yes, almost disinterested, but not calm. You can hear the panic increase in the victim's voice as the call progresses.

dartup

its for murder,

dartup

its for murder

the_monkey

the_monkey wrote: »

BBC reporting he could be executed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22475771

a bit harsh !!

Harsh definitely isn't the word to use for this scumbag. However I'd rather see him suffer the rest of his days I think death is an easy way out for him, pure evil.

the_monkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Harsh definitely isn't the word to use for this scumbag. However I'd rather see him suffer the rest of his days I think death is an easy way out for him, pure evil.

Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have said "Harsh" , but surprising, I don't know how they'll make a murder charge stick.


I still don't agree with the death penalty though, its no deterrent.

SB2013

the_monkey wrote: »

its no deterrent.

Sometimes it's not meant to be. Sometimes you find a person that is so dangerous and evil that his continued existence is a danger to others.

the_monkey

SB2013 wrote: »

Sometimes it's not meant to be. Sometimes you find a person that is so dangerous and evil that his continued existence is a danger to others.

Perhaps, but it won't change the past, and he's never gonna be able to do it again anyway cos for sure he'll be in prison for the rest of his life at best for him.

Use these guys to do work in prison and let psychologists/psychiatrists study them to see what makes 'em tick.

syklops

the_monkey wrote: »

Perhaps, but it won't change the past, and he's never gonna be able to do it again anyway cos for sure he'll be in prison for the rest of his life at best for him.

Well it should be solitary. Otherwise what if he tortures some other inmate in prison? I know you will say its good enough for the other prisoner, but it means this guy is still getting his jollies.

the_monkey

the_monkey wrote: »

Use these guys to do work in prison and let psychologists/psychiatrists study them to see what makes 'em tick.

This gives us a better shot at understanding and preventing it happening than executing them. There's a chance to gain some insight if he's alive, there's no gain if he's killed.

I am totally against the death penalty in all cases anyway, as I don't think two killings cancel one another out or two wrongs make a right. It just makes killers of the State too.

Means Of Escape

Candie wrote: »

This gives us a better shot at understanding and preventing it happening than executing them. There's a chance to gain some insight if he's alive, there's no gain if he's killed.

I am totally against the death penalty in all cases anyway, as I don't think two killings cancel one another out or two wrongs make a right. It just makes killers of the State too.

Factor in the cost of keeping him alive over the next 20 years if he lives that long
No one wants to die, Bundy tried everything to escape the chair
Look at how Charles Ng has made a laughing stock of the judicial system in California
What information does one think that they would glean from interviewing this guy?
He showed no mercy to his victims why show mercy to him?
Richard Ramirez , Rodney Alcala all waiting on death row trying to avoid it .taking too long .
Maybe for guys who are definitely guilty like the above the Saudi method of justice is the best after all regarding murderers