atheism. what does it stand for? Biscuits, it seems!

eyescreamcone

aboyceltaboy wrote: »

Plenty of people don't believe in things, ideas, philosophies, but they don't make up pointless labels to wear for them disbeliefs. Atheism stands for nothing, you don't believe in God? so what. I bet there are lots of things you don't believe in, but do you have little labels for those too ? no. So really why do you put so much effort into a pointless and non productive ' cause '

I'm an atheist.
I'm also a militant ABU (Anyone But United).
Happy now?

robindch

Kidchameleon wrote: »

robindch wrote: »

Would you care to substantiate your claim? Or would you prefer to abandon it?

30 second search will substantiate it.

Sounds like you're abandoning your claim -- an uncharacteristically wise move on your part.

smcgiff

Obliq wrote: »

I think our doorstep conversions would go rather well. Perhaps we'd get tea and a good laugh.

It would have made a great ongoing sketch for the Fast Show or such like

endacl

pH wrote: »

And on a more serious note:

CHOCOLATE BISCUIT CAKE!

You make a "cake" out of "biscuits" Brilliant!

Mmmmmmmm.... Unitarian cake...

Kiwi in IE

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Agreed Dades but indoctrinated people could feel obliged to hassle atheists to save them from "hell" and all that. That would be a good reason as far as they are concerned.

I only started calling myself an atheist after moving here, where there is an intrusive religion that impacts on everybody whether you are a member or not. Prior to that I was simply non religious and never gave religion or the lack of it any thought. Other peoples religions never bothered me in the slightest prior to encountering one that thinks it should be allowed to run this country.


And the best biscuits are my cookies made with pecan nuts and big chunks of Cadbury Bournville chocolate. Kimberly, Mikardo and Jaffa Cakes are all rotten. Hob Nobs and Digestives are nicely passable, but Oreos win the bought biscuit contest by a long way.

endacl

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Kimberly, Mikardo and Jaffa Cakes are all rotten. Hob Nobs and Digestives are nicely passable, but Oreos win the bought biscuit contest by a long way.

Could almost hear your accent in the 'Mikardo' spelling! You'd really have to have grown up here to 'get' Kimberly and Mikado. With you 100% on Jaffa Cakes. Neither a biscuit or a cake. Irish parents used to consider them a fruit, so maybe that's a possibility?

Oreos? Evil imperialist capitalist scum biscuits! Slowly taking over the world...Anything McDonald's adds to ice cream cannot be good. By definition. :mad:

Kiwi in IE

endacl wrote: »

Could almost hear your accent in the 'Mikardo' spelling! You'd really have to have grown up here to 'get' Kimberly and Mikado. With you 100% on Jaffa Cakes. Neither a biscuit or a cake. Irish parents used to consider them a fruit, so maybe that's a possibility?

Oreos? Evil imperialist capitalist scum biscuits! Slowly taking over the world...Anything McDonald's adds to ice cream cannot be good. By definition. :mad:

Clearly you have to have grown up with such things. Bit like the RCC and Tayto ! I surely don't 'get' Kimberly, Mikado and Jaffa Cakes, but Irish OH thinks they're just wonderful! They don't compare at all to Tim Tams, Mallowpuffs and Shrewsbury biscuits! Oreos are too nice to hold being American against them.

Bannasidhe

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Clearly you have to have grown up with such things. Bit like the RCC and Tayto ! I surely don't 'get' Kimberly, Mikado and Jaffa Cakes, but Irish OH thinks they're just wonderful! They don't compare at all to Tim Tams, Mallowpuffs and Shrewsbury biscuits! Oreos are too nice to hold being American against them.

Tim Tams *gag* but not as *gag* as Lamington squares.

endacl

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Clearly you have to have grown up with such things. Bit like the RCC and Tayto ! I surely don't 'get' Kimberly, Mikado and Jaffa Cakes, but Irish OH thinks they're just wonderful! They don't compare at all to Tim Tams, Mallowpuffs and Shrewsbury biscuits! Oreos are too nice to hold being American against them.

Ah, Tim Tams! I remember those phoneys from my time in Oz. A poor attempt at a penguin...

Kiwi in IE

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Tim Tams *gag* but not as *gag* as Lamington squares.

Ah Bannasidhe how can you not like lamingtons? My grandma made the best chocolate lamingtons in the world. Used to make them for every b'day I had as a kid. Cut in half and topped with cream. I brought my Edmonds Cookbook with me. Must make some for Little Kiwi's b'day party next month. I could understand how you feel about them though if you tried the hideous store bought, artificial pink ones ugh!

Kiwi in IE

endacl wrote: »

Ah, Tim Tams! I remember those phoneys from my time in Oz. A poor attempt at a penguin...

I truly can't imagine why anyone would want to imitate those penguin yokes! Sorry guys but store bought biscuits here are generally so bad I don't even bother! Mostly not worth the calorie content. Digestives, Hob Nobs and Oreo are the only things passable in the biscuit isle.

Oh, and Kit Kats, but they are bars not biscuits.

Bannasidhe

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Ah Bannasidhe how can you not like lamingtons? My grandma made the best chocolate lamingtons in the world. Used to make them for every b'day I had as a kid. Cut in half and topped with cream. I brought my Edmonds Cookbook with me. Must make some for Little Kiwi's b'day party next month. I could understand how you feel about them though if you tried the hideous store bought, artificial pink ones ugh!

Those were the ones - I thought they were some Aussie version of a Twinkie (in a survive a direct nuclear blast kinda way).

endacl

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I truly can't imagine why anyone would want to imitate those penguin yokes! Sorry guys but store bought biscuits here are generally so bad I don't even bother! Mostly not worth the calorie content. Digestives, Hob Nobs and Oreo are the only things passable in the biscuit isle.

Oh, and Kit Kats, but they are bars not biscuits.

OK. We agree on the KitKat bit. We've something here to build on...;)

endacl

Actually, where has the OP got to? I'm pretty sure this isn't what his thread was supposed to be all about...?

Turtwig

endacl wrote: »

Actually, where has the OP got to? I'm pretty sure this isn't what his thread was supposed to be all about...?

One more query or thought like that and I'm banning you. Now get back to talking to about biscuits or else!:mad:

endacl

Jernal wrote: »

One more query or thought like that and I'm banning you. Now get back to talking to about biscuits or else!:mad:

FFS! Have a hobnob dude! I was only asking...








Probably get carded for insubordination now.... mumble....grumble....where did I leave me whacky stick ... grumble...let's see how his puny ban hammer deals with a full on whacky stick assault... mumble...

legspin

endacl wrote: »

FFS! Have a hobnob dude! I was only asking...








Probably get carded for insubordination now.... mumble....grumble....where did I leave me whacky stick ... grumble...let's see how his puny ban hammer deals with a full on whacky stick assault... mumble...

You managed to get said whacky stick back from your mum then...

endacl

legspin wrote: »

You managed to get said whacky stick back from your mum then...

Yep. She's a level 10 too...

nozzferrahhtoo

Kidchameleon wrote: »

30 second search will substantiate it.

Ah the old "I have no evidence so I will get people to look for it for me" trick. Nice.

efb

Chocolate Kimberly please!

efb

If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our club!

(But seriously bro, douche!)

Kidchameleon

robindch wrote: »

Sounds like you're abandoning your claim -- an uncharacteristically wise move on your part.

Nope I stand by it. I don't get why somebody isn't bothered to do a simple search? I claimed that there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion (as many religious people don't leave atheists alone), everyone here knows that to be the truth so I'm not going to get dragged into whatever circus you guys have lined up for me. If you look at my post history on this very forum you'll find examples of people thinking I'm religious and giving me stick for it. There are countless other examples on this forum alone (Atheism & Agnosticism)! Have a look on After Hours, there is daily religion bashing. In the real world you have famous atheists at it, and plenty of civilians. Are you going to tell me now that I'm making this up? We all know I'm telling the truth. Oh and ill balance my words by pointing out that there are many many religious people who are equally as preachy and intrusive as the atheist's I mention above. I'm not having a go at anyone, just stating the facts.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Nope I stand by it. I don't get why somebody isn't bothered to do a simple search? I claimed

That's why. YOU claimed.
Bother yourself to do the search and back up your claim, otherwise it drops.

Obliq

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Nope I stand by it. I don't get why somebody isn't bothered to do a simple search? I claimed that there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion (as many religious people don't leave atheists alone), everyone here knows that to be the truth so I'm not going to get dragged into whatever circus you guys have lined up for me.

I think you're being your own worst enemy here kid. I'm actually amused that you clearly haven't noticed that your unsubstantiated claim IS the circus, and you lined it up all on your ownio.

Why aren't you bothered to prove your claim, that apparently only requires a simple search...?

achtungbarry

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Nope I stand by it. I don't get why somebody isn't bothered to do a simple search? I claimed that there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion (as many religious people don't leave atheists alone), everyone here knows that to be the truth so I'm not going to get dragged into whatever circus you guys have lined up for me. If you look at my post history on this very forum you'll find examples of people thinking I'm religious and giving me stick for it. There are countless other examples on this forum alone (Atheism & Agnosticism)! Have a look on After Hours, there is daily religion bashing. In the real world you have famous atheists at it, and plenty of civilians. Are you going to tell me now that I'm making this up? We all know I'm telling the truth. Oh and ill balance my words by pointing out that there are many many religious people who are equally as preachy and intrusive as the atheist's I mention above. I'm not having a go at anyone, just stating the facts.

So..... still no evidence then. As I said, if you make a claim around these parts, be prepared to back it up or you simply won't be taken seriously.

Simply asserting something does not make it so. If I were to claim that atheists were contantly being banned from boards for being atheists, I would be expected to back that up with examples. Simply telling people to look it up themselves is not good enough.

FinallyI think you may also be suffering from a misconception that is common among religious people of different flavours. You are confusing people critiquing, scrutinizing and even attacking your belief system with an attack on you. Belief systems are not above critique and critisism. Nobody has to respect your religion. They should respect you and your right to believe what you want but your beliefs themselves do not neccessarily deserve respect simply by virtue of them being your beliefs.

People merit respect. Beliefs do not.

Kidchameleon

Ok ok I get it now. So before I post my evidence, could you guys clarify, I'm to prove that there are people on this forum who mock religious people? If I'm missing anything let me know please.

Sarky

Many atheists refuse to leave people to their religion

Sarky wrote:

If you could show how they keep ramming their own ideals down the throats of religious people too, that'd be swell. Links to quotes, pictures of one of us harrassing a religious person, something like that.

There it was

Obliq

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I claimed that there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion (as many religious people don't leave atheists alone),

That.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'm to prove that there are people on this forum who mock religious people?

Not that.

Sycopat

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Nope I stand by it. I don't get why somebody isn't bothered to do a simple search? I claimed that there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion (as many religious people don't leave atheists alone), everyone here knows that to be the truth so I'm not going to get dragged into whatever circus you guys have lined up for me. If you look at my post history on this very forum you'll find examples of people thinking I'm religious and giving me stick for it. There are countless other examples on this forum alone (Atheism & Agnosticism)! Have a look on After Hours, there is daily religion bashing. In the real world you have famous atheists at it, and plenty of civilians. Are you going to tell me now that I'm making this up? We all know I'm telling the truth. Oh and ill balance my words by pointing out that there are many many religious people who are equally as preachy and intrusive as the atheist's I mention above. I'm not having a go at anyone, just stating the facts.

Generally people won't do things to prove someone else's point. Particularly if they disagree, and particularly not in a space so accustomed to putting the burden of proof where it belongs: with the person making a claim. In this case you.

You want a search done, do it yourself. Post the results. No one is going to make your point for you.

This forum (Atheism and agnosticism) isn't really submissable because this is supposed to be an atheist/agnostic space, clue is in the name. Religious people who get a hard time in here have come looking for it.

I know nothing about after hours, but I do know there is a large amount of anger in irish society with the church in recent years. Something to do with constant, never ending scandals. As evidence I can submit the recent statements by the taoiseach, and those around the time of the cloyne report, not to mention debates over the expulsion of the papal nuncio that were everywhere in the media a two years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/enda-kenny-catholic-church-abortion_n_3225864.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0720/303965-cloyne1/
https://www.google.ie/search?q=expels+papal+nuncio&rlz=1C1CHMO_enIE524IE524&aq=f&oq=expels+papal+nuncio&aqs=chrome.0.57j0j60.3899j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Coupled with long time presence of pro-palestinian groups in ireland as well as irelands strong blood ties to america and considering that countries recent engagements I imagine it would not be difficult to find people bashing any religion you care to name.

So I'm not really surprised a place like after hours might be full of anti-religious sentiment.

However none of that is necessarily atheists refusing to leave religion alone as you claim.

To me, in ireland's case, it looks to mostly be the result of years upon years of dissatisfaction and disappointment of normal, nominally religious, people by still unrepentant religious leaders that is the source of the bother religious people have to deal with, and blaming it on atheists is just another way of dodging their own issues.

So yeah, it seems like your going to have to produce some evidence before I'll believe a word of what you say as 'truth' or 'fact'.

Worst thing is I know you can find examples of what you're talking about, I know they exist. I don't think they are nearly as common as your trying to make out, but they are out there and your refusal to dig any up for yourself is frankly annoying and a little insulting. You're trying to make it into a big deal that your being asked to prove something you've claimed. It isn't. Just do it and we could move on with the debate. It's not all about you you know, there's no conspiracy to make a fool of you or a prepared circus lined up. It's not anyone here's fault if your arguments won't hold up to scrutiny, except yours.

Duggy747

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'm not having a go at anyone, just stating the facts.

Usually, when one says "facts" they have something substantial to reinforce the use of that word.

Kidchameleon

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/08/atheist-bus_1217544c.jpg

nozzferrahhtoo

You are really floundering here son. Withdrawing the claim would have at least lent you some credibility instead of just digging the hole further. Let us dissect this car crash a little:

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I don't get why somebody isn't bothered to do a simple search?

A few reasons. Firstly it is your claim so the onus is on you to substantiate it. Not us. Especially when the claim is so vague and empty and poorly defined.

Further you have entered a forum where many of us are all too used to being told "There is plenty of evidence, just go find it yourself" on many topics, especially the actual existence of god. There comes a time where you just stop falling for that little canard.

Also you have not even defined what we are to be searching for example. What words would you suggest typing into which fields of the search utility here exactly?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

"on this very forum".... "on this forum alone"

This "very forum" is the worst place to go to support your claim. This is a forum FOR atheists. If a theist, or someone defending theists, comes in here then the result is not supporting your claim that "there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion". They come in asking for it. _They_ are coming to _us_ and as such this is entirely inadmissible to support your spew.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Have a look on After Hours, there is daily religion bashing.

Again I do not think this supports your claims. Boards.ie is a debate forum. People take sides, discuss and defend them. That is _the whole point of a debate and discussion forum_.

This makes a nonsense of your claim entirely. It is not that atheists on these fora refuse to leave theists to their religion. It is that PEOPLE on these fora refuse to leave ANYONE to ANY subject. Nor should they. I repeat: It is the entire point of having a discussion forum.

If this displeases you then perhaps the word press site is more to your liking where people soap box what is on their mind with little or no interaction or debate between them. A debate forum environment simply is not constructed with people of your delicate disposition in mind.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

In the real world you have famous atheists at it, and plenty of civilians.

This is where what you are actually claiming gets vague and non-sensical. Earlier in the thread you also cited the name Richard Dawkins. (Though I must point out citing one SINGLE person hardly supports any claim starting with "Many Atheists").

There are many people who espouse Atheist Standpoints yes. No one would deny that. But exactly what do you mean by "don't leave people to their religion"?

Writing books on the subject or giving talks is not failing to "leave people to their religion". No one is forcing them into the lecture hall. No one is compelling them to buy the books. No one is forcing anything on anyone here. They are expressing their opinions and only those who want to hear them have to listen.

There are close to nothing in the way of atheists cold callers.... door to door salesmen.... Stands and Stalls being set up in streets stopping people to preach atheists standpoints....

Nor are any atheists I am currently aware of trying to take faith away from people or force them to stop having it. Rather they are just fighting to make sure faith is espoused and applied in the right places (i.e. not in our halls of power, education, science and so forth).

The way you are phrasing it.... be it your intention or not.... you seem to be imagining a world where atheists are marching across the world trying to force people to stop being religious or stop them having faith..... or seeking out religion people in order to accost them and abuse them.

So as I said... at this point you would either do well to take the advice of retracting your claim.... or work on clarifying what exactly it is you are saying and what your substantiation for that is.

Kidchameleon

Duggy747 wrote: »

Usually, when one says "facts" they have something substantial to reinforce the use of that word.

Should I prove the sky is blue? We all know it is. Should I prove atheists hassle people about their religion? We all know they do. I have personally been mistaken for a religious person on this very forum and received hassle for it but I do get the point that if your religious you should expect to receive a bit of hassle here.

Obliq

Kidchameleon wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/08/atheist-bus_1217544c.jpg

A picture of an athiest BUS?!! Oh boy. What do they do, pull up at a bus stop disguised as the 36a, pick up the queue, lock the doors and play Dawkins' and Hitchens' speeches until they sign up as atheists? Love your proof kid :pac:

Kidchameleon

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

This "very forum" is the worst place to go to support your claim. This is a forum FOR atheists. If a theist, or someone defending theists, comes in here then the result is not supporting your claim that "there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion". They come in asking for it. _They_ are coming to _us_ and as such this is entirely inadmissible to support your spew.

I understand what your saying. But a theist should be able to have a rational discussion here without having to put up with slagging.

Kidchameleon

Obliq wrote: »

A picture of an athiest BUS?!! Oh boy. What do they do, pull up at a bus stop disguised as the 36a, pick up the queue, lock the doors and play Dawkins' and Hitchens' speeches until they sign up as atheists? Love your proof kid :pac:

That bus (and a few more) spent about two months doing the rounds in England. Publicity stunt no doubt to sell a few more books but certainly ramming ideals into people. Told ya there would be a circus if I put any evidence up.

nozzferrahhtoo

Kidchameleon wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/08/atheist-bus_1217544c.jpg

This just gets worse. How exactly is that "Not leaving people to their religion"? And how does it support your claim starting with "Many Atheists"? It does neither.

This is the work of one single person. Hardly "Many Atheists". So fail there from the outset.

Secondly this is not attacking people of faith. Rather it is addressed at people suffering from worry about the after life and god(s). It is saying to them "Look, if you find yourself worried about all this, take comfort and solace in the fact that the idea there is a god is entirely substantiated and you are worried over nothing".

Which I think is a useful message to put out there in a world where there are many MANY posters up telling people they risk hell for unbelief or that their loved ones might be destined for an eternity of torture or some other horrific discomfort.

People have enough to be concerned with in the real world without people piling on imagined concerns to stress them out further. I think it highly useful to inform such people that they are stressed out over nothing.

nozzferrahhtoo

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I understand what your saying. But a theist should be able to have a rational discussion here without having to put up with slagging.

That depends what they have to offer. Let us not pretend the OP was not a troll in THIS thread for example. It is clear it came in here with no other intention other than to stir up animosity and flame wars.

I think it is a credit to the posters here that they did not react with anger and vitriol and insults, but instead turned the thread into a good natured joke fest and discussion about biscuits.

The troll started throwing around non-sequiturs and emotive words like "cult" when it realised it was failing to get a reaction.... but this still failed. Credit to the posters here!

Bring a theist in here who is willing to lay out their case in a reasoned, polite and intellectual manner and you will find the posters here will in the vast majority reply in a reasoned, polite and intellectual manner in return.

Are there one or two emotive bad apples here who will spew out vitriol that lets us all down? Hell yes. There is. But they are few and certainly even if you counted them, added a 0 to the end of the result, you still would not have anything near enough to support your "Many Atheists" claim.

Duggy747

Should I prove atheists hassle people about their religion?

Generally, when you say something like that about a particular group of people then, yes, you're expected to show some examples.

robindch

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'm not having a go at anyone, just stating the facts.

You're stating your opinion which is that "there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion". And you're being asked to substantiate your opinion with facts. If you can't, then people are quite correct to infer that your opinion is worthless.

A very gentle, mildly humorous, ad which appeared in pink letters on the side of a few buses in the UK a few years back is a start, even if it doesn't back up your opinion. What I think what people really expect here is solid, reliable evidence of non-religious people or anti-religious people intruding their beliefs about religion in the same fashion, and to the same degree, as religious people do.

A good example would be if you could find, say, something like a few hundred or even a few thousand schools in the country, schools which are controlled by anti-religious groups and which discuss religion and religious people in the same hysterical terms that religious people discuss atheists in school. That would certainly do the trick.

If you can't produce any evidence for your opinion, then as I said above, people are quite right to infer that your opinion is just the latest gust in the never-ending wind of anti-atheist/agnostic hot air.

robindch

Kidchameleon wrote: »

[...] certainly ramming ideals into people [...]

Large, friendly pink letters saying "there's no god" and that people should go out and enjoy life is "ramming" things into people?

Really?

I'd include a GIF of somebody splitting themselves laughing here, only I think all the best ones have been used here in A+A recently

Delirium

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That bus (and a few more) spent about two months doing the rounds in England. Publicity stunt no doubt to sell a few more books but certainly ramming ideals into people. Told ya there would be a circus if I put any evidence up.

Are you equally upset about L'oreal, McDonalds, Volvic, GoCompare, SkyTV, Vodafone, Easons, Bob's Corner shop etc. "ramming ideals" into people?

That bus isn't an example of ramming ideals into people. At most, it would engage the person on the street to possibly think about God/god(s) not existing. It's not parking outside someones door and then dragging the occupants of the house onto the bus to be conditioned to reject religion.

There may be actual worthwhile examples of what you're complaining about but posting that image has done yourself a huge disservice.

Kidchameleon

robindch wrote: »

You're stating your opinion which is that "there are many atheists that don't leave people to their religion". And you're being asked to substantiate your opinion with facts. If you can't, then people are quite correct to infer that your opinion is worthless.

A very gentle, mildly humorous, ad which appeared in pink letters on the side of a few buses in the UK a few years back is a start, even if it doesn't back up your opinion. What I think what people really expect here is solid, reliable evidence of non-religious people or anti-religious people intruding their beliefs about religion in the same fashion, and to the same degree, as religious people do.

A good example would be if you could find, say, something like a few hundred or even a few thousand schools in the country, schools which are controlled by anti-religious groups and which discuss religion and religious people in the same hysterical terms that religious people discuss atheists in school. That would certainly do the trick.

If you can't produce any evidence for your opinion, then as I said above, people are quite right to infer that your opinion is just the latest gust in the never-ending wind of anti-atheist/agnostic hot air.

Ok can I ask you a simple question rob. Do many atheists mock religious people for their beliefs?

coolhull

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Should I prove the sky is blue? We all know it is. Should I prove atheists hassle people about their religion? We all know they do. I have personally been mistaken for a religious person on this very forum and received hassle for it but I do get the point that if your religious you should expect to receive a bit of hassle here.

Thank you, but there is no need to clarify that the sky is blue, its something we are all aware of.

Should you prove that atheists hassle people about their religion? Yes, we think you should. Simply stating that "we all know they do" is unlikely to stand up in a court of law.
Apart from a silly,humorous picture, you have yet to provide any instance of atheists foisting their non-beliefs on anyone.
Now I suggest that we all get back to the much important subject of biscuits.

Mmmhhh, biscuits!!

Kidchameleon

coolhull wrote: »

Thank you, but there is no need to clarify that the sky is blue, its something we are all aware of.

Should you prove that atheists hassle people about their religion? Yes, we think you should. Simply stating that "we all know they do" is unlikely to stand up in a court of law.
Apart from a silly,humorous picture, you have yet to provide any instance of atheists foisting their non-beliefs on anyone.
Now I suggest that we all get back to the much important subject of biscuits.

Mmmhhh, biscuits!!

Were all equally aware that religious people get mocked for their beliefs. A poster here has said if a religious person comes to A&A they should expect to get mocked. Its a few posts up...

Obliq

Mmmm, biscuit time! (since only robin has been asked by kid to answer, although I'd give the answer a shot...)

Which do people think is the best all round biscuit company in Ireland? I'm going for fox's because they do crunch-creams AND party rings plus many other yum cream filled ones...

Kidchameleon

koth wrote: »

but posting that image has done yourself a huge disservice.

Any evidence I give will get torn apart. I'm not gonna waste my time p*ssing against the wind.

Obliq

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Any evidence I give will get torn apart. I'm not gonna waste my time p*ssing against the wind.

Y'know this would be a relatively interesting argument, if you'd only present an interesting argument.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ok can I ask you a simple question rob. Do many atheists mock religious people for their beliefs?

You were the one claiming they do. Are you dropping this now and asking him if it's true?

PlainP

Just after receiving a leaflet in my door (from an post). Its a one off special event in Croker hosted by Bishop Julio.
It goes on to tell me if life has beaten me down I should go to this "talk" and maybe I can believe in myself again.

Now I have never in my life (I'd be old enough) received leaflets from any atheist organisation asking me to join them or become part of their organisation.