Fergie's Retirement Confirmed, Moyes confirmed as Man Utd Manager

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The first two you mentioned were good coaches who never got a chance from the fans they represented. Hodgson has gone on to do well with England, in spite of what many of the naysayers around here predicted. I think England fans are happy with him and he's not done badly with a higher calibre of player at his disposal. Hughes was a little hard done by at the time if we recall.

I think Moyes will be given a chance by the vast majority of United fans and that will be all important.

Not sure about Hughes. Hogdson got a chance, he failed miserable through his inept tactics, purchases and general idiotic performances. He found his level at Fulham/England. He should stay at that level because he's not capable of stepping up.


Moyes will be given a chance until he starts losing, the knives will be out then.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The old school model made famous by Liverpool, and mimicked by Barcelona in recent times, is the path United are going down and having Fergie there to give counsel will make for an easier transition than might have been possible with other figures in the role.

What old school model? United aren't mimicking any Liverpool or Barcelona model. The old Liverpool and more recent Barcelona's model revolves around hiring a manager people who has worked inside their clubs. Not hiring a manager who has no association with the club.

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

Honestly its like a ****ing mental block to certain people.

How hard is it?

Jesus, he's only become the next Utd manager a few hours ago and already you have a problem with his surname being spelt incorrectly.

K-9

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Huh? There are much better comparisons. Moyes never worked at United. Plenty of managers have done well in the PL and performed beyond what was expected/past their resources and have been given a chance at a supposed bigger club.

Allardyce from Bolton to Newcastle
Hodgson from Fulham to Liverpool - ugh.
Mark Hughes from Blackburn to City.

Well I was tongue in cheek about Hodgson, such self grandiosement in his utterings, he's a bluffer to me, as I think England are finding out.

Moyes has never struck me as they type to boast about what he has done at Everton, just gets on with it, a few moanings about money aside, which given his job as the manager, fair enough. He was at a serious disadvantage to others challenging for 4th at different times, City, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa, and others who spent big and would have seen themselves as bigger than Everton, and Everton as a target.

So, he never did get 4th after 05, given how Liverpool, United, Arsenal and Chelsea dominated Europe for 4/5 years, hardly a black mark on his CV. Liverpool and Villa dropped back after that period. City and Spurs stepped up, Liverpool resolved the finances problem, Everton could still mount a top 4 challenge, with little money.

All the while Sunderland, Stoke, QPR and others spent big below them.

His achievement speaks for itself, no need to rubbish it because it was at Everton.

Liam O

citytillidie wrote: »

3 times in 11 seasons is not better, 2 seasons when Liverpool have been bad and one season where Liverpool ended up Champions of Europe, even Kenny with a bad Liverpool team won more in 1 and half seasons than Moyles did

He spent more on Stewart Downing than Moyes' budget for about the last 3 or 4 years though...

UnitedIrishman

Excellent article on Moyes and the situation he was in, on Grantland - worth a read -

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8455781/everton-problems-being-medium-size-soccer-club

Edit: it's from last October but the point remains.

Aidric

Jürgen Klopp

monkey9 wrote: »

I think it's safe to assume that if Moyes has Utd a couple of places off the relegation spot come January, he won't be given a chance by Utd fans. And rightly so.

FFS, do you really envisage such a scenario or are you just looking for a bite? This isn't Liverpool.

shadowcomplex

Liverpool fans most be delighted at the moyes appointment , they'll probably finish above everton now in seasons to come

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

K-9 wrote: »

Well I was tongue in cheek about Hodgson, such self grandiosement in his utterings, he's a bluffer to me, as I think England are finding out.

Moyes has never struck me as they type to boast about what he has done at Everton, just gets on with it, a few moanings about money aside, which given his job as the manager, fair enough. He was at a serious disadvantage to others challenging for 4th at different times, City, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa, and others who spent big and would have seen themselves as bigger than Everton, and Everton as a target.

So, he never did get 4th after 05, given how Liverpool, United, Arsenal and Chelsea dominated Europe for 4/5 years, hardly a black mark on his CV. Liverpool and Villa dropped back after that period. City and Spurs stepped up, Liverpool resolved the finances problem, Everton could still mount a top 4 challenge, with little money.

All the while Sunderland, Stoke, QPR and others spent big below them.

His achievement speaks for itself, no need to rubbish it because it was at Everton.

I never rubbished his achievements at Everton - I'm just saying his simply not a great manager and I'll be surprised if he wins anything at United.

Blatter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'll be surprised if he wins anything at United.

Up for a bet on that?

monkey9

Aidric wrote: »

FFS, do you really envisage such a scenario or are you just looking for a bite? This isn't Liverpool.

Oh just shut up and read back before posting.

Laois_Man

Kerrigooney wrote: »

They've been decent. "Breathtaking" is really pushing it.

no it isn't. I've watched almost every everton game this season and baines/pienaar down the left (Best left side partnership in the pl by far) and coleman/Mirallas down the right has been breathtaking at times. Actually probably too open alot of the time. And Osmans form in the centre got him England call ups too.

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

Blatter wrote: »

Up for a bet on that?

haha - winning a match doesn't count - I'm sure even Moyes will manage that. I'll include Champions league/UEFA cup, Premiership and FA cup if your interested.

Super-Rush

Manuel Pellegrini

kryogen wrote: »

Honestly its like a ****ing mental block to certain people.

How hard is it?

Until i saw the news i was convinced Alison Moyet was the new manager.

DARK-KNIGHT

Chucky the tree wrote: »

haha - winning a match doesn't count - I'm sure even Moyes will manage that. I'll include Champions league/UEFA cup, Premiership and FA cup if your interested.

Is that an open offer bet?? So are you saying united will be trophy less next season?? Lmao

Blatter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

haha - winning a match doesn't count - I'm sure even Moyes will manage that. I'll include Champions league/UEFA cup, Premiership and FA cup if your interested.

Ha, obv meant a trophy. :pac:

Yeah I'll take that no bother. 50 or do you want to go to 100? I'm game either way.

monkey9

Super-Rush wrote: »

Until i saw the news i was convinced Alison Moyet was the new manager.

Apparently, the spelling of Moyes' name has become all important for some reason.

ShaneU

Jürgen Klopp

Mother asked me did I hear Chris Moyles was the new man utd manager, true story.

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

Blatter wrote: »

Ha, obv meant a trophy. :pac:

Yeah I'll take that no bother. 50 or do you want to go to 100? I'm game either way.

Ha - I'm not doing a straight evens bet. I'll need decent odds.

monkey9

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Is that an open offer bet?? So are you saying united will be trophy less next season?? Lmao

It's not that funny in fairness. You've gone trophyless under Ferguson, absolutely no reason why Utd wouldn't go trophyless under Moyes!!

DARK-KNIGHT

monkey9 wrote: »

It's not that funny in fairness. You've gone trophyless under Ferguson, absolutely no reason why Utd wouldn't go trophyless under Moyes!!

That is true but very doubtful united wont win at least one competition

Blatter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Ha - I'm not doing a straight evens bet. I'll need decent odds.

Well I figured seeing as you said you'd be 'surprised' if Moyes won anything that you'd surely think he has less than 50% chance which would make evens +EV for you.

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

Blatter wrote: »

Well I figured seeing as you said you'd be 'surprised' if Moyes won anything that you'd surely think he has less than 50% chance which would make evens +EV for you.

Taking 15/4 from Bet & win that he wins under 1.5 trophies is alot more +ev though.

Xavi6

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

That is true but very doubtful united wont win at least one competition

It's not really, United only won the league this year and most people, myself included, expect that to be a lot closer run thing next season.

It'd be no surprise if Moyes' first season was trophy less.

DARK-KNIGHT

Xavi6 wrote: »

It's not really, United only won the league this year and most people, myself included, expect that to be a lot closer run thing next season.

It'd be no surprise if Moyes' first season was trophy less.

If it is then so be it but I'm right behind him I'm honestly excited at the thoughts of change..

Plus agree pl will be a hell of a lot closer next year

Blatter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Taking 15/4 from Bet & win that he wins under 1.5 trophies is alot more +ev though.

Those odds sound realistic. A bit short but of course you have to account for the overround.

UnitedIrishman

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Taking 15/4 from Bet & win that he wins under 1.5 trophies is alot more +ev though.

Yeah.. err.. because that includes 0-1 trophies?

David Moyes not to win a trophy next season @ 3/4 with BWin. So you're getting a decent price at Evs.

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Yeah.. err.. because that includes 0-1 trophies?

David Moyes not to win a trophy next season @ 3/4 with BWin. So you're getting a decent price at Evs.

Pretty sure Blatter was offering evens on his career and not next year.

UnitedIrishman

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Pretty sure Blatter was offering evens on his career and not next year.

Ah sorry, my apologies.

monkey9

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

If it is then so be it but I'm right behind him I'm honestly excited at the thoughts of change..

Plus agree pl will be a hell of a lot closer next year

This is because you have no choice but to be excited!! A generation of Irish Man U fans are about to have their football heads blown apart.

DARK-KNIGHT

monkey9 wrote: »

This is because you have no choice but to be excited!! A generation of Irish Man U fans are about to have their football heads blown apart.

I don't follow the crowd. Moyes will be a success here's to number 21

Aidric

Jürgen Klopp

monkey9 wrote: »

This is because you have no choice but to be excited!! A generation of Irish Man U fans are about to have their football heads blown apart.

Trying too hard.

monkey9

Aidric wrote: »

Trying too hard.

Hah!! The Manc U thread is going to be hilarious from now on. Welcome to the new Manager In/Manager Out era!! You've entered a whole new world. You's just don't know it yet.

DARK-KNIGHT

monkey9 wrote: »

Hah!! The Manc U thread is going to be hilarious from now on. Welcome to the new Manager In/Manager Out era!! You've entered a whole new world. You's just don't know it yet.

We are premier league champions and you come to mock?? Lmao ok mock away son...

UnitedIrishman

monkey9 wrote: »

This is because you have no choice but to be excited!! A generation of Irish Man U fans are about to have their football heads blown apart.

Must be painful being this bitter.

monkey9

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Must be painful being this bitter.

Bitter?

yabadabado

monkey9 wrote: »

This is because you have no choice but to be excited!! A generation of Irish Man U fans are about to have their football heads blown apart.

Must try harder.

monkey9

I must try harder!!

Fair enough

Xavi6

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Must be painful being this bitter.

He's not being bitter (such a lazy accusation in itself), he's right. A large section of the fan base know nothing but Ferguson whereas the rest of us are immune to managers coming and going.

This is new ground for United fans, and given what Ferguson has achieved and the way modern football works, I'm 99.9% sure it will never be as good again.

CSF

Manuel Pellegrini

Laois_Man wrote: »

no it isn't. I've watched almost every everton game this season and baines/pienaar down the left (Best left side partnership in the pl by far) and coleman/Mirallas down the right has been breathtaking at times. Actually probably too open alot of the time. And Osmans form in the centre got him England call ups too.

Jesus. Overexaggeration of the century

UnitedIrishman

Xavi6 wrote: »

He's not being bitter (such a lazy accusation in itself), he's right. A large section of the fan base know nothing but Ferguson whereas the rest of us are immune to managers coming and going.

This is new ground for United fans, and given what Ferguson has achieved and the way modern football works, I'm 99.9% sure it will never be as good again.

Ah come off it, you know well what he's at with those posts.

No point in replying with anything bordering sense.

Hulk Hands

These threads might be some fun to come back to in a year or so. Every second person getting their little dig in.

People are talking about Ferguson being that extra few points difference between winning a title and losing. Do the people writing United off realise that have walked the league this year by 10-15 points. It's going to take a sizeable fall off from United and a big step up from City/Chelsea to bridge that gap. There's no reason why United shouldn't improve (players wise at least) over the summer also, with a decent kitty being provided for Moyes and some of the younger players maturing.

On the topic of gambling, United are currently 2's for next seasons title, and you'll likely see slightly bigger before the start in August. That's serious value. There is next to no chance of anyone bar City, Chelsea and United winning it. So, if all 3 teams had equal chances, then the 2's on United would be fair. Only they're not equal. Despite the change around in manager, United at this stage are still the most likely out of the 3, given history and what happened this season. It could also make a filthy e/w bet with the place part (1/3 odds 2 places) giving 4/6 on them to finish in the top 2. That's a 1/3 shot in reality

Xavi6

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Ah come off it, you know well what he's at with those posts.

No point in replying with anything bordering sense.

He might be making a slight dig but what of it? Far too much sensitivity these days.

Let us have our moment anyway, been waiting over a decade for your man to finally retire!

Hulk Hands wrote: »

It's going to take a sizeable fall off from United and a big step up from City/Chelsea to bridge that gap.

I think that's a realistic possibility though. If Mourinho joins Chelsea they will be a different beast come next season with a very good squad already in place. City will buy I think after last summer's disasters.

I actually think other clubs will look at United as being weaker now and do absolutely everything in their power to take advantage of it so the gap could close quite quickly.

Even Arsenal could challenge, they have the second most points of any team in 2013 (34 I think it is, two less than United) and are getting the look of a settled side.

Of course none of that might happen...

Demosthenese

It is extremely difficult to win back to back Premier League titles. I agree that its basically one of United/Chelsea/City for next season unless Arsenal sign 4-6 players which will not happen.

I cannot see City slumping next season as bad as they did this year and i'd expect them to have one marquee signing for next season cos Manchini always moans that they lost out on RVP and it made all the difference. They still have a very impressive squad and it is make or break next year for them regarding champions league too. World Cup year always sees the biggest players impress and they'll have player stepping up to play. Chelsea IF Mourinho comes of course have to be a danger cos the guy just brings a different mentallity to the team.

United will be harder to guage under Moyes - so many questions over it, will AF be looking over his shoulder guiding him or will be let him loose to be his own man. Hard to imagine that AF was unable to get them into champions league semi's and that Moyes will take them further considering he has no experience in that department. Will be interesting to watch.

Donerkebab

United not having Fergie, is like City Fans not knowing what having lots of money is like

Xavi6

Donerkebab wrote: »

United not having Fergie, is like City Fans not knowing what having lots of money is like

Terrible analogy, the two aren't even close. City had no money six years ago, Ferguson's been at OT for two decades more than that.

I can't even tell if that was a cheap shot or not it was so bad.

RayCon

Jürgen Klopp

Hulk Hands wrote: »

People are talking about Ferguson being that extra few points difference between winning a title and losing. Do the people writing United off realise that have walked the league this year by 10-15 points. It's going to take a sizeable fall off from United and a big step up from City/Chelsea to bridge that gap. There's no reason why United shouldn't improve (players wise at least) over the summer also, with a decent kitty being provided for Moyes and some of the younger players maturing.

That almost reads as if you're under estimating Fergusons leadership and it's impact on their points total each season. Like it or not - his retirement from the position of manager will impact the performance of the team and their results .... even the report to the stock exchange recognises that :

"Any successor to our current manager may not be as successful as our current manager."

I think Moyes is a very good manager - methodical, assured and very experienced. However this is a different world of expectation on his shoulders - from everyone - players, fans, media and ultimately : shareholders.

Will I Amnt

Xavi6 wrote: »

He might be making a slight dig but what of it? Far too much sensitivity these days.

I've no problem with it personally if the poster in question can take it on the chin themselves when the shoe is on the other foot and not go around chirping off catchphrases like "obsessed" etc.

Liverpool fans in particular would do well to remember how active they have been on the numerous threads where this whole situation has been discussed when the next Suarez incident or whatever else it might be comes around.

DARK-KNIGHT

Xavi6 wrote: »

He might be making a slight dig but what of it? Far too much sensitivity these days.

Let us have our moment anyway, been waiting over a decade for your man to finally retire!



I think that's a realistic possibility though. If Mourinho joins Chelsea they will be a different beast come next season with a very good squad already in place. City will buy I think after last summer's disasters.

I actually think other clubs will look at United as being weaker now and do absolutely everything in their power to take advantage of it so the gap could close quite quickly.

Even Arsenal could challenge, they have the second most points of any team in 2013 (34 I think it is, two less than United) and are getting the look of a settled side.

Of course none of that might happen...

Let us have our moment? Jesus xavi I expected more from you to be honest that reaks of bitterness. I'm honestly surprised at you didn't take you as one of those kinda fans. Jesus I want moyes to win league just so I can rub salt in a years time now

SlickRic

cambo2008 wrote: »

Liverpool fans in particular would do well to remember how active they have been on the numerous threads where this whole situation has been discussed when the next Suarez incident or whatever else it might be comes around.

to be fair, there are many Utd fans who should themselves remember how active they've been on Liverpool threads when it comes to situations like this one.

Essien

Manuel Pellegrini

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Let us have our moment? Jesus xavi I expected more from you to be honest that reaks of bitterness. I'm honestly surprised at you didn't take you as one of those kinda fans. Jesus I want moyes to win league just so I can rub salt in a years time now

It's really not bitter at all. Every rival fan has waited a long time for Fergie to retire, and for the most part it's because we all know how bloody good he is! Regardless of who his replacement is, his retirement was always going to mean the strongest team in the league got at least a little bit weaker.

It's perfectly reasonable, nothing even remotely bitter about it.