Fergie's Retirement Confirmed, Moyes confirmed as Man Utd Manager

Aidric

Jürgen Klopp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2K-hP7kbyY

Andersonisgod

irish bloke wrote: »

Guardiola has no legacy plus had Messi in his team, not to mention Xavi and Iniesta.

Steve Staunton would have won what Pep won with those players.

No legacy? Ignorance. A club broken, a club split, a club in trouble at the end of the Rijkaard era. Two camps, Eto'o and Ronaldinho. One Brazilian star who had rejuvenated a club on the brink, now on the brink himself, fading fast but still so symbolic, so popular. A team without direction.

Guardiola, a disciple of Cruyff, a man doing some revolutionary things with the "B" team. A hero of the people. A man with an idea and a belief. A man with principles, with a philosophy forged at La Masia and honed under the tutelage of Cruyff.

The result, the greatest team of their generation. The creation of a new way to win, the rise to greatness of players who may not have been destined for it.

The legacy, the greatest collection of players in the history of Spain. The creation of one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. The change in how we view, analyse and judge the game the world over.

Pep Guardiola, the hero of Catalonia, and, imo, the finest manager on the planet.

irish bloke

Lumbo wrote: »

People believe that's actually going to happen :rolleyes:

Why wouldn't it???

Oat23

Jürgen Klopp

David Moyes is a 50 year old man who has been manager of a PL club for over 10 years, he doesn't need to be a number 2. I doubt that will happen.

I'd love to see him get the job though.

kraggy

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No legacy? Ignorance. A club broken, a club split, a club in trouble at the end of the Rijkaard era. Two camps, Eto'o and Ronaldinho. One Brazilian star who had rejuvenated a club on the brink, now on the brink himself, fading fast but still so symbolic, so popular. A team without direction.

Guardiola, a disciple of Cruyff, a man doing some revolutionary things with the "B" team. A hero of the people. A man with an idea and a belief. A man with principles, with a philosophy forged at La Masia and honed under the tutelage of Cruyff.

The result, the greatest team of their generation. The creation of a new way to win, the rise to greatness of players who may not have been destined for it.

The legacy, the greatest collection of players in the history of Spain. The creation of one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. The change in how we view, analyse and judge the game the world over.

Pep Guardiola, the hero of Catalonia, and, imo, the finest manager on the planet.

Ha ha. You should do Voiceovers for movie trailers.

PhlegmyMoses

Jürgen Klopp

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I guarantee you it will affect the players. If you bring in a manager and you subject him to this unusual structure then you're basically saying to the players we don't have full confidence in our manager. With even a slight doubt in the minds of the players, all you'll need is a few bad results then confidence and morale will collapse.

As long as the logic is explained properly, the players will understand. This isn't a normal managerial replacement so normal rules don't apply. In any other position you would probably be right but in this one, I'm not so sure. I genuinely think that Mourinho is the only manager who could come in and get the players onside immediately in the situation you advocate.

As I said, the Shankly situation should be taken in isolation. You could easily point to the likes of the Clough appointment at Leeds to show how replacing a living legend at the club, who all the players respected, without a bedding in period can be a disaster.

Chucky the tree

Jürgen Klopp

Blatter wrote: »

Graham Hunter wouldn't have a breeze about anything going on at Man Utd.

Probably not. But I expect he knows journalists who do. I doubt he throw up that comment just based a feeling.

Lumbo

Jürgen Klopp

irish bloke wrote: »

Why wouldn't it???

:rolleyes:

Really. You need it spelt out to you?

Blatter

Trust Andersonisgod to get in a bit of eulogy on something Barca related in a Ferguson retirement rumour thread.

messinkiapina

Jürgen Klopp

Oat23 wrote: »

David Moyes is a 50 year old man who has been manager of a PL club for over 10 years, he doesn't need to be a number 2. I doubt that will happen.

I'd love to see him get the job though.

It would be madness for him to accept an assistant's job. I'd be shocked if he lowered himself.

Mars Bar

The Barca talk is for the Barca thread.

irish bloke

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No legacy? Ignorance. A club broken, a club split, a club in trouble at the end of the Rijkaard era. Two camps, Eto'o and Ronaldinho. One Brazilian star who had rejuvenated a club on the brink, now on the brink himself, fading fast but still so symbolic, so popular. A team without direction.

Guardiola, a disciple of Cruyff, a man doing some revolutionary things with the "B" team. A hero of the people. A man with an idea and a belief. A man with principles, with a philosophy forged at La Masia and honed under the tutelage of Cruyff.

The result, the greatest team of their generation. The creation of a new way to win, the rise to greatness of players who may not have been destined for it.

The legacy, the greatest collection of players in the history of Spain. The creation of one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. The change in how we view, analyse and judge the game the world over.

Pep Guardiola, the hero of Catalonia, and, imo, the finest manager on the planet.

Just coz you write lots of rubbish paragraphs, doesn't mean your right.

Pep has an awful lot to prove and anyone with Messi was going to clean up. He's now going to the strongest team in Europe, so again will prob not see he's real worth. And no he doesn't have a legacy built up yet?

Pj!

Jürgen Klopp

Why on earth would they announce that Moyes is going to be assistant manager next year with two games still to play this season?

irish bloke

Lumbo wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Really. You need it spelt out to you?

Yes, I do??? Enlighten me..

Amirani

Jürgen Klopp

Pj! wrote: »

Why on earth would they announce that Moyes is going to be assistant manager next year with two games still to play this season?

If the rumoured press conference does occur tomorrow, it can't involve Moyes surely?

PhlegmyMoses

Jürgen Klopp

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No legacy? Ignorance. A club broken, a club split, a club in trouble at the end of the Rijkaard era. Two camps, Eto'o and Ronaldinho. One Brazilian star who had rejuvenated a club on the brink, now on the brink himself, fading fast but still so symbolic, so popular. A team without direction.

Guardiola, a disciple of Cruyff, a man doing some revolutionary things with the "B" team. A hero of the people. A man with an idea and a belief. A man with principles, with a philosophy forged at La Masia and honed under the tutelage of Cruyff.

The result, the greatest team of their generation. The creation of a new way to win, the rise to greatness of players who may not have been destined for it.

The legacy, the greatest collection of players in the history of Spain. The creation of one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. The change in how we view, analyse and judge the game the world over.

Pep Guardiola, the hero of Catalonia, and, imo, the finest manager on the planet.

Pretty much all of Guardiola's best players were already at the club when he took over. Valdes, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Pedro etc were all there in 08 when he took over. Whilst it takes a competent manager to break up an old boys clubs and a very good manager to turn it around like Pep did, your praise is over the top.

He has been below standard in the transfer market and his best signings were buying back a couple of Barca youths and buying the league's most consistent goalscorer before Skynet built Ronaldo and Messi. Loads more to go before he is the finest manager on the planet. Anyway, i suspect that you are trolling with your Barca jizzfests and this is OT so I'm out.

Blatter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Probably not. But I expect he knows journalists who do. I doubt he throw up that comment just based a feeling.

If he knew some journalist that knew something, then surely that journalist would have broke the news by now.

There's very few journalists putting their name to this rumour at the minute. Mark Ogden of the Telegraph seems to be main one at the minute and I could pull a few quotes from myself in the past saying how I think he's an awful journalist. He really isn't to be trusted.

Francie Barrett

Jürgen Klopp

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No legacy? Ignorance. A club broken, a club split, a club in trouble at the end of the Rijkaard era. Two camps, Eto'o and Ronaldinho. One Brazilian star who had rejuvenated a club on the brink, now on the brink himself, fading fast but still so symbolic, so popular. A team without direction.

Guardiola, a disciple of Cruyff, a man doing some revolutionary things with the "B" team. A hero of the people. A man with an idea and a belief. A man with principles, with a philosophy forged at La Masia and honed under the tutelage of Cruyff.

The result, the greatest team of their generation. The creation of a new way to win, the rise to greatness of players who may not have been destined for it.

The legacy, the greatest collection of players in the history of Spain. The creation of one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. The change in how we view, analyse and judge the game the world over.

Pep Guardiola, the hero of Catalonia, and, imo, the finest manager on the planet.

The last three paragraphs made me want to vomit, but the first two are spot on.

People forget that the Barcelona team that Guardiola inherited was in a similar state to where the current team is. When he took the axe to Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Deco, he actually came in for a lot of criticism from Barca fans. Of course, Barcelona went on to win the Champions League, so that was forgotten

PhlegmyMoses

Jürgen Klopp

Mars Bar wrote: »

The Barca talk is for the Barca thread.

Apologies, left the computer down and posted before I'd seen this.

Kerrigooney

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No legacy? Ignorance. A club broken, a club split, a club in trouble at the end of the Rijkaard era. Two camps, Eto'o and Ronaldinho. One Brazilian star who had rejuvenated a club on the brink, now on the brink himself, fading fast but still so symbolic, so popular. A team without direction.

Guardiola, a disciple of Cruyff, a man doing some revolutionary things with the "B" team. A hero of the people. A man with an idea and a belief. A man with principles, with a philosophy forged at La Masia and honed under the tutelage of Cruyff.

The result, the greatest team of their generation. The creation of a new way to win, the rise to greatness of players who may not have been destined for it.

The legacy, the greatest collection of players in the history of Spain. The creation of one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. The change in how we view, analyse and judge the game the world over.

Pep Guardiola, the hero of Catalonia, and, imo, the finest manager on the planet.

Do Barcelona pay you much for doing all their PR?

All of your posts on them sound like they've been written by a committee.

IvySlayer

Manuel Pellegrini

Is it true no Man Utd player tweeted all day?

royaler83

MD1990 wrote: »

1. Graham Hunter ‏@BumperGraham 1m
   Fairly sure that these aren´t rumours
   
   Graham Hunter ‏@BumperGraham 2m
   
   
   
2. Very close to the anniversary of Gothenburg and I think it´s end of an era for Sir Alex
   
   

What Gothenburg anniversary?

Kerrigooney

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Apologies, left the computer down and posted before I'd seen this.

Yep. Me too. Sorry.

Lumbo

Jürgen Klopp

irish bloke wrote: »

Yes, I do??? Enlighten me..

Moyes was offered the assistant job at United when he was at Preston. He declined the position because he wanted to stay in management. He now has over 10 years managerial experience in a side that regularly finishes in the top 8. Even if its the biggest club in the world, a manager with Moyes experience wouldn't be going anywhere to play second fiddle.

Professey Chin

IvySlayer wrote: »

Is it true no Man Utd player tweeted all day?

I've seen tweets from De Gea and Chico anyway

irishfeen

Manuel Pellegrini

IvySlayer wrote: »

Is it true no Man Utd player tweeted all day?

... Rio Ferdinand tweeted 11 hours ago so no.

CSF

Manuel Pellegrini

Lumbo wrote: »

Moyes was offered the assistant job at United when he was at Preston. He declined the position because he wanted to stay in management. He now has over 10 years managerial experience in a side that regularly finishes in the top 8. Even if its the biggest club in the world, a manager with Moyes experience wouldn't be going anywhere to play second fiddle.

It is different if it is as part of a transition to replacing Ferguson. I doubt Moyes suffers from pride that much as to turn down an opportunity like that.

Dempsey

Jürgen Klopp

royaler83 wrote: »

What Gothenburg anniversary?

CWC with Aberdeen was won in Gothenburg

ceegee

royaler83 wrote: »

What Gothenburg anniversary?

He won the cup winners cup there with Aberdeen, 30 years ago this Saturday

Kerrigooney

Can't see anything happening till tomorrow. To the bed.

Aidric

Jürgen Klopp

Hayley McQueen ‏@HayleyMcQueen 3m
We see what the day holds news wise tomorrow. @SkySportsNews always report facts not rumour so will be doing their best to find out I'm sure

Lol. From the horses mouth.

Mr Alan

Jürgen Klopp

Dan Roan saying he's hearing there'll be an announcement tomorrow morning, possibly before 10am. He's about as reliable as they come so there may well be something to this.

Interesting times ahead.

Joekers

Moyes 8/11 mourinho 11/8

PhlegmyMoses

Jürgen Klopp

Lumbo wrote: »

Moyes was offered the assistant job at United when he was at Preston. He declined the position because he wanted to stay in management. He now has over 10 years managerial experience in a side that regularly finishes in the top 8. Even if its the biggest club in the world, a manager with Moyes experience wouldn't be going anywhere to play second fiddle.

Unless it is under the proviso that he is going to get the job after a year. FWIW, I don't think that this will happen in that way, Fergie felt like the players got the cigars out when he last announced his retirement so I can't see him having some year long, protracted ending at the club. He'll announce one summer and that'll be that.

Cantona's Collars

Mr Alan wrote: »

Dan Roan saying he's hearing there'll be an announcement tomorrow morning, possibly before 10am. He's about as reliable as they come so there may well be something to this.

Interesting times ahead.

Fergie is staying and we've signed Ronaldo.:)

UnitedIrishman

Interesting from Oliver Holt:

"Bit of information re:Moyes. He spent several hours in meetings today poring over Everton transfer targets for next season."

irish bloke

Lumbo wrote: »

Moyes was offered the assistant job at United when he was at Preston. He declined the position because he wanted to stay in management. He now has over 10 years managerial experience in a side that regularly finishes in the top 8. Even if its the biggest club in the world, a manager with Moyes experience wouldn't be going anywhere to play second fiddle.

Really, come on, is that your argument?

He wouldn't be going to utd to play second fiddle though would he?
He would be going to slowly get the reigns handed over to him.

Totally different situation now then leaving Preston for a genuine number 2 spot.

Pj!

Jürgen Klopp

I've always thought that Mourinho didn't really suit United (but admittedly that could well be bollocks). But it is very odd that anyone would prefer David Moyes.

Mr Alan

Jürgen Klopp

**** me if it is true, I hope to **** they replace him with Moyes. Be a huge mistake IMO.

Xavi6

Maybe it's just going to be an apology about homerjay2005's season ticket fiasco, he's getting upgraded at no extra cost.

Amirani

Jürgen Klopp

Joekers wrote: »

Moyes 8/11 mourinho 11/8

I think Moyes has to be be layed at that sort of price.

GLaDOS

Aidric wrote: »

Lol. From the horses mouth.

If it's too insubstantial for sky to report there can't be anything in it surely :pac:

Francie Barrett

Jürgen Klopp

It would be amusing if the announcement was that he was going to sign another one year rolling contract and that was it

PhlegmyMoses

Jürgen Klopp

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Interesting from Oliver Holt:

"Bit of information re:Moyes. He spent several hours in meetings today poring over Everton transfer targets for next season."

Maybe that's what's made him want to be an assistant manager instead. Kenwright has finally broken him.

Cantona's Collars

The final game of the season will be Fergie's 1500th in charge of United.

Pudders

Jürgen Klopp

Moyes has never won at united, city, Chelsea or Liverpool in the league in 10 years and people think he will get the united job? Madness.

Mr Alan

Jürgen Klopp

Pudders wrote: »

Moyes has never won at united, city, Chelsea or Liverpool in the league in 10 years and people think he will get the united job? Madness.

Likely too good to be true, but at least let us hope!

5starpool

Jürgen Klopp

I'd love it if this happened, love it.

/Kevin Keegan

jive

Jürgen Klopp

NiallSparky wrote: »

I think Moyes has to be be layed at that sort of price.

Why? It appears that Mourinho is going back to Chelsea. Klopp is more likely to end up at Madrid if he goes anywhere. Seems to me that Moyes is by far the most likely candidate. The only others I think might be in with any kind of shout off the top of my head are Pellegrini (129/1), Ancelotti (50/1 or 99/1), Redknapp (50/1 or 200/1 on Betfair) and Benitez (no betting offered which seems strange, he's hardly that much of an outsider!). I definitely wouldn't be laying Moyes at 7/4 anyway

Joekers

Can anybody see Mourinho being a long term successor to SAF? I dont think he would be where as I think Moyes would. One thing SAF will want after he goes is long term stability