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Do you get annoyed when people say 'Eire'?

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  • #92
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    And because the two names are so similar, the citizens of South Korea (don't know about North Korea) are more than happy to tell you they're South Korean. South Korean is accepted as an official nationality.

    How many Irish people say they're Southern Irish? And on what document is it printed that you're 'Southern Irish'?
    Wrongly called South Korea, there is no country. It's just a term of convenience. Like Southern Irish. Really if this annoys you you have little to be worrying about.


  • #93
    Amari Flaky Rocker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Amari Flaky Rocker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Wrongly called South Korea, there is no country. It's just a term of convenience. Like Southern Irish. Really if this annoys you you have little to be worrying about.

    Yeah, because the rest of the threads in AH are of crucial importance. :rolleyes:

    The point is that South Koreans call themselves South Korean. Nobody says they're 'Southern Irish'.


  • #94
    kravmaga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    I remember back in 2002 the following happened.

    Was in a post office in city of London after work and was asking for stamps for Dublin, Ireland. The elderly English lady behind the counter looked up at me and asked is that Northern or Southern Ireland?, I answered , neither, Republic of Ireland with a smile.

    She then blurted out quite loudly , no you mean EIRE, young man, a few people in the Q behind started laughing.

    And in the 6 yrs I lived in London , heard EIRE mentioned a lot by older English and Southern Ireland used by the younger, which I tried in vain many times to explain, there is no country called Southern Ireland, its ROI.

    A lot of English have no got a clue about the geography of their neighbour, even work colleagues over there said the school system never covered Irish history or geography.


  • #95
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    Yeah, because the rest of the threads in AH are of crucial importance. :rolleyes:

    The point is that South Koreans call themselves South Korean. Nobody says they're 'Southern Irish'.
    You're complaining about people wrongly using the term Southern Ireland because people in South Korea wrongly use the term South Korea? What?


  • #96
    DerekDGoldfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭DerekDGoldfish


    The english language page of the United Nation list of member states lists it as "Ireland", just print that off take it with you when you are abroad shoving it into the face of anyone that comes within 20 feet of you.


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  • #97
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    FTA69 wrote: »
    They're only trying to differentiate between the two states in Ireland. "Southern Ireland" is much more common and I don't see the sh*t fit about people using it to be honest, it's a natural extension from "Northern Ireland" and makes them sound less of a tit than use of the word "Éire". ....
    The could also use "Ireland" and "Northern Ireland", they sound differentiated enough for me.


  • #98
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    What do you think 'mainland' means? You might want to look it up.
    Nah, I probably wrote the dictionary entry.


  • #99
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    I received an email from an English colleague earlier today telling me he'd be visiting Eire next week.
    As mentioned above and knowing the chap, I'd attribute his usage to some misguided belief it's a more politically correct term.

    The only time I find the use of Eire non-grating is if it is used by a person speaking/writing in Irish.


  • #100
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    What do you think 'mainland' means? You might want to look it up.
    If an English person tells me they're going to France, I will ask them in jest why they're visiting the mainland. ;)


  • #101
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    The True Puka wrote: »
    I cannot stand when usually well meaning British people refer to the current 26 county state as Eire. ...
    You should thank them for their accuracy, insight and courtesy.
    The True Puka wrote: »
    ... It comes across as condescending and patronising....
    I think I can understand why you'd feel condescended to and patronised.
    The True Puka wrote: »
    ... In any case I would not recognise it. ....
    That's OK, the UN and other international organisations probably carry more sway than you do.
    The True Puka wrote: »
    ... Not do I agree with it being referred to as the Republic of IReland. ...
    Good, good.
    The True Puka wrote: »
    ... It's not reflected in reality but that is my opinion.
    You're right there, FWIW


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  • #102
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    LordSutch wrote: »
    That's^ another term that causes total confusion and irritance among many Irish people, and non Irish people!
    ...
    IME only poorly educated or xenophobic ones, who cause me no end of irritation
    LordSutch wrote: »
    Maybe somebody could knock-up a similar one with reference to EIRE, Ireland, Republic of, etc etc etc . . .
    No need, just read our constitution, a passport, driver's licence or similar official document or read my posts. They impart endless nuggets of information and are never a source of irritation.


  • #103
    Amari Flaky Rocker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Amari Flaky Rocker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You're complaining about people wrongly using the term Southern Ireland because people in South Korea wrongly use the term South Korea? What?

    Well, if you can't see the difference between a nation's people happily using a term to describe themselves and that term being used on official documentation including passports and a term which does not officially exist, is nowhere to be found on official documentation and is not used by that nation's people to describe themselves, I'm not really sure what else I can say.
    Gran Hermano wrote: »
    I received an email from an English colleague earlier today telling me he'd be visiting Eire next week.
    As mentioned above and knowing the chap, I'd attribute his usage to some misguided belief it's a more politically correct term.

    The only time I find the use of Eire non-grating is if it is used by a person speaking/writing in Irish.

    Yeah, I think it is exactly that. A misguided belief that it's the right thing to say. It's when I say 'nobody actually uses 'Eire' in English and they carry on using it that it starts to grate a bit. Same as when I say nobody calls the Irish language 'Gaelic' in Ireland and they just ignore me and carry on because they think they know better.


  • #104
    mathepac
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    kravmaga wrote: »
    ... And in the 6 yrs I lived in London , heard EIRE mentioned a lot by older English ...
    You should have paid closer attention to your older and more knowlegeable neighbours
    kravmaga wrote: »
    ... and Southern Ireland used by the younger, which I tried in vain many times to explain, there is no country called Southern Ireland, its ROI. ...
    No it's not
    kravmaga wrote: »
    ... A lot of English have no got a clue about the geography of their neighbour, even work colleagues over there said the school system never covered Irish history or geography.
    Which is an ironic comment from someone who doesn't know the correct constitutional name of their own country.


  • #105
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    Well, if you can't see the difference between a nation's people happily using a term to describe themselves and that term being used on official documentation including passports
    But South Korea isn't used on government documents?


  • #106
    Amari Flaky Rocker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Amari Flaky Rocker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    But South Korea isn't used on government documents?

    Have you ever seen a South Korean's passport?
    ETA, my flatmate was born in Korea and adopted in France. Her 'place of birth' is given as 'SEOUL (SOUTH KOREA)' on that page of her passport.


  • #107
    martic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭martic


    Very interesting from 4.58

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJHvg5c7vPE


  • #108
    Iwasfrozen
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    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    Have you ever seen a South Korean's passport?
    ETA, my flatmate was born in Korea and adopted in France. Her 'place of birth' is given as 'SEOUL (SOUTH KOREA)' on that page of her passport.
    I confess I haven't but I have google and it doesn't say South Korea on either of the important pages.
    http://www.catalogueofcurrencies.com/newsletter/files/krpas.jpg
    http://www.creativeroots.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/korean_passport_design1.jpg


  • #109
    Amari Flaky Rocker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Amari Flaky Rocker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I confess I haven't but I have google and it doesn't say South Korea on either of the important pages.
    http://www.catalogueofcurrencies.com/newsletter/files/krpas.jpg
    http://www.creativeroots.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/korean_passport_design1.jpg

    On the new passports, I don't think it does, but I think it perhaps used to (fairly sure I remember seeing it), and I know for sure that it is used on passports for other countries for people born in Korea. Have my flatmate's French passport in front of me, 'South Korea' is given as her country of birth. You can't possibly deny that 'South Korea' is the commonly accepted name for the country, unlike 'Southern Ireland'. I work with loads of Korean students and have to scan in their documents. They all say 'South Korea' all over the place.


  • #110
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    On the new passports, I don't think it does, but I think it perhaps used to (fairly sure I remember seeing it), and I know for sure that it is used on passports for other countries for people born in Korea. Have my flatmate's French passport in front of me, 'South Korea' is given as her country of birth. You can't possibly deny that 'South Korea' is the commonly accepted name for the country, unlike 'Southern Ireland'. I work with loads of Korean students and have to scan in their documents. They all say 'South Korea' all over the place.
    But it's still not official. You're complaining people use the term Southern Ireland. And when asked about a similar case with South Korea you say it's not the same thing because South Korea is used more.


  • #111
    Amari Flaky Rocker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Amari Flaky Rocker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    But it's still not official. You're complaining people use the term Southern Ireland. And when asked about a similar case with South Korea you say it's not the same thing because South Korea is used more.

    You're being ridiculously pedantic. Yes, South Korea is used more, including BY THE PEOPLE WHO BLOODY LIVE THERE. Can you really not see the difference?


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  • #112
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    You're being ridiculously pedantic. Yes, South Korea is used more, including BY THE PEOPLE WHO BLOODY LIVE THERE. Can you really not see the difference?
    But you get pissy when Irish people start to use Southern Ireland.


  • #113
    Amari Flaky Rocker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Amari Flaky Rocker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    But you get pissy when Irish people start to use Southern Ireland.

    But they don't. That's the whole point. I've never in my entire life heard an Irish person say they were from Southern Ireland.

    Sigh.


  • #114
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    only time i use eire or see people use it is in clans tags in call of duty. its very common there


  • #115
    Iwasfrozen
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    Amari Flaky Rocker wrote: »
    But they don't. That's the whole point. I've never in my entire life heard an Irish person say they were from Southern Ireland.
    I've heard it. Many times. But only to distinguish us from the North.


  • #116
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    No but the Home Nations thing does bother me...as witnessed in a thread recently :P

    But Éire is never spoken, but when I'm drunk playing FIFA and looking for Ireland's team, I often forget or cant see what im doing..which leads to me checking I first, following by R then E then repeat process until eventually it magically appears.


  • #117
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I have. Many times. But only to distinguish us from the North.

    Sounds like you must live near the border with NI as I can't recall ever hearing anyone from Ireland feeling the need to specifically emphasise the southern part.

    Southern Ireland to me means Waterford, Cork or Kerry.


  • #118
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    El Spearo wrote: »
    ... when I'm drunk playing FIFA and looking for Ireland's team, I often forget or cant see what im doing..which leads to me checking I first, following by R then E then repeat process until eventually it magically appears.
    You can blame the FAI for that. They split from the IFA, the original 32-county soccer association, meaning there was no longer an all-island team so the compromise was the "Northern Ireland" association football team and the "Republic of Ireland" one. You could of course also blame the drink.


  • #119
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Anyone else disgusted by abercrombie and fitch? I'm not.


  • #120
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    I'm not a poor lonely fat burd


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  • #121
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Gran Hermano wrote: »
    Sounds like you must live near the border with NI as I can't recall ever hearing anyone from Ireland feeling the need to specifically emphasise the southern part.

    Southern Ireland to me means Waterford, Cork or Kerry.
    Yeah actually :o


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