Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

JoeA3

JoeA3 wrote: »

....... A new GTI today is around 46k out of the box ..........

:eek:

Golf 3 Doors Golf GTI

From € 38,195.00

Price is RRP and excludes delivery and related charges of €775.

https://www.volkswagen.ie/app/configurator/vw-ie/en/the-golf/30315?page=trim

JoeA3

Augeo wrote: »

:eek:

Golf 3 Doors Golf GTI

From € 38,195.00

Price is RRP and excludes delivery and related charges of €775.

https://www.volkswagen.ie/app/configurator/vw-ie/en/the-golf/30315?page=trim

Right. I had the 5 door GTI PP in my head... which, by the time you add a couple of "essentials" is up around 46-47k.

Leonard Hofstadter

€42k OTR for a 242 bhp manual, presumably the virtual cockpit, metallic paint and lumbar support are optional extras, so yeah I could see how you'd be talking about €45k when you've specd one up. Do these come with alcantara or leather as standard? I presume they come with climate control, cruise control and an auto dimming rear view mirror, personally I couldn't live without any of those.

JoeA3

captainspeed wrote: »

€42k OTR for a 242 bhp manual, presumably the virtual cockpit, metallic paint and lumbar support are optional extras, so yeah I could see how you'd be talking about €45k when you've specd one up. Do these come with alcantara or leather as standard? I presume they come with climate control, cruise control and an auto dimming rear view mirror, personally I couldn't live without any of those.

Everything you list there is standard in the Golf apart from leather. The seats are cloth. The likes of paint, wheel upgrade, adaptive dampers would add a few K though.

GavRedKing

I'd probably be looking at

Base Model - ST-3
Performance Pack
LED Headlights
B&O Play + Sat Nav
Performance Blue

€32,870

Alternatively in ST2 form I'd go

Performance Pack
18" Wheels
LED Headlights
Red calipers
B&O Play + Sat Nav
Performance Blue

€31,330

Theres roughly €2k difference in basic spec but once you start adding some spec to the ST2, IMO, you're nearly better off going for an ST3.

Although there is things on the ST3 that I'd happily live without too.

All in, if you clicked all options and most expensive paint, youre talking €35.5k for Fiesta, but I dont think many, if any car will arrive here with that spec sheet.

vintagevrs

I contacted two dealers yesterday. One local and the other the other was Spirt. The local fella took my number and never called me back. The other crowd emailed me a quote....which was just the rrp price for everything I included on my spec plus paint protection....sigh.

JoeA3

LOL Vintage... don't do it to yourself... remember your last new car buying experience....

vintagevrs

Spirt just replied to my email there saying it's a bit early for them to know where they stand regarding discounts so fair enough. They gave me a ball park figure which is the discount I would expect on a car in that price range which was fair enough.

Henry Ford III

vintagevrs wrote:

I contacted two dealers yesterday. One local and the other the other was Spirt. The local fella took my number and never called me back. The other crowd emailed me a quote....which was just the rrp price for everything I included on my spec plus paint protection....sigh.

They even got the engine wrong

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hooch-85

In the UK they get three trim levels, ST 1, 2 & 3.

But here it's only ST2 & 3.

From briefly comparing the spec lists it looks like the paddy ST2 = UK ST1, we get cloth recaros in our ST2 vs half leather in UK ST2).

Similarly ST3 here looks like what UK get on ST2, if that is the case they are really only offering ST1 & 2 to ROI market.

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/ford-fiesta-st-from-18-995/37981

dar83

hooch-85 wrote: »

In the UK they get three trim levels, ST 1, 2 & 3.

But here it's only ST2 & 3.

From briefly comparing the spec lists it looks like the paddy ST2 = UK ST1, we get cloth recaros in our ST2 vs half leather in UK ST2).

Similarly ST3 here looks like what UK get on ST2, if that is the case they are really only offering ST1 & 2 to ROI market.

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/ford-fiesta-st-from-18-995/37981

No change there then...

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GavRedKing

Currency conversion and VRT applied, we're paying not far off €2k more for the privilege to own the new ST.

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GavRedKing

I forgot about that actually. :pac:

hooch-85

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Thanks for confirming, the spec list on the Irish brochure looked a lot smaller..

So who's buying one or who will be brave enough to order one without driving one first??:D

GavRedKing

I'll be selling my Mk7 in the new few weeks I'd say.

I may return down the line in 18/24 months when I've the mortgage/wedding sorted.

hooch-85

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'll be selling my Mk7 in the new few weeks I'd say.

I may return down the line in 18/24 months when I've the mortgage/wedding sorted.

Bought a place last year but I've my wedding in September so any new cars are on hold until after that!

It might be better wait for a while and try get one a year old, see what kind of problems they throw up.

Henry Ford III

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'll be selling my Mk7 in the new few weeks I'd say.

I may return down the line in 18/24 months when I've the mortgage/wedding sorted.

No you won't.

vintagevrs

I was interested in this car as a possibility at first glance a few months ago. I knew some on here got great deals on the previous gen ST, and I liked the look of the new Fiesta. I sat in an ST Line one which would have been very similar looks wise. 200bhp, small car, reasonably economical, sounds ok etc etc. Having driven an older car for two years, the warranty of a new car and drive it and not worry about it appealed too.

However, over 30k is too much money for me for what it is. I would prefer to buy something a few years older and get better value. It is too expensive right now. Maybe if they don't shift any the price will get adjusted over time. VW did this a few years back, but tbh I can't see that happening with the FST.

Zubeneschamali

Henry Ford III wrote: »

No you won't.

When the kids have finished college maybe, but the retirement fund will be hoovering everything up by then.

:P

JoeA3

Marriage / kids does not mean the end of having a nice car. Never stopped me anyway!

vintagevrs

It feckin stopped me, I tried and got the guilt :pac:

Leonard Hofstadter

Irish specs look very similar to the UK (for once).

I'd definitely be coughing up the extra for an ST3 if I was in the market for one - there's lots of extras I wouldn't do without.

Donnelly117

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'll be selling my Mk7 in the new few weeks I'd say.

I may return down the line in 18/24 months when I've the mortgage/wedding sorted.

Are you gonna sell privately? I think I'd have to trade it in cause the effort of a private sale would be too much stress!
I'll get another year out of mine I think!

GavRedKing

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Are you gonna sell privately? I think I'd have to trade it in cause the effort of a private sale would be too much stress!
I'll get another year out of mine I think!

I'd reckon privately.

I've just been too lazy to take decent pictures and setup an ad on donedeal/carzone etc.

That, or I may sub-consciously not want to sell it.

vintagevrs

https://youtu.be/pQiH46h81mU

Asmooh

6.9s to 60 with 180hp? hmm... I would get an astra vxr instead

Henry Ford III

Looks promising.

Donnelly117

Asmooh wrote: »

6.9s to 60 with 180hp? hmm... I would get an astra vxr instead

I thought they stopped making those about 6 years ago...? Hardly comparable cars in any way regardless as its a focus sized car not fiesta

JohnBoy26

Donnelly117 wrote: »

I thought they stopped making those about 6 years ago...? Hardly comparable cars in any way regardless as its a focus sized car not fiesta

I think the fiesta is still a much better car than a vxr even if it's from the class below.

It's more polished in nearly every department.

The astra still takes 6.2 seconds to get to 60mph and that's from a 2 liter unit producing 240bhp.

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hooch-85

Asmooh wrote: »

6.9s to 60 with 180hp? hmm... I would get an astra vxr instead

Grand until you try take a corner..

vintagevrs

hooch-85 wrote: »

Grand until you try take a corner..

Speaking of which...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKh6074aUpo

JoeA3

It's a very nice looking hot hatch I must say...

ShadowHearth

I like this fellas car reviews and his review of Ibiza cupra helped me a lot last year.
So he finally did a review of new ST.

https://youtu.be/l6lE4FMRS0w

So main points are:

Yes, its the meanest race and performance focused small hot hatch.
3 cylinder small engine with a lot of power is actually worse for mpg.
Its very race focused and just normal day to day driving is compromised. The idea of hot hatch is to have car that can do both.

I think that fiesta st is definitely not for me and I dont see much of advantage going for it over my current car, specially at that price tag. I drive a lot and st roughness would get old extremely fast. Polo GTI would suit me a lot better, but again, price tag is ridiculous.

Still, very cool hatch and a lot of petrol heads will love it, unfortunately its not for me.

Henry Ford III

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I like this fellas car reviews and his review of Ibiza cupra helped me a lot last year.
So he finally did a review of new ST.

https://youtu.be/l6lE4FMRS0w

So main points are:

Yes, its the meanest race and performance focused small hot hatch.
3 cylinder small engine with a lot of power is actually worse for mpg.
Its very race focused and just normal day to day driving is compromised. The idea of hot hatch is to have car that can do both.

I think that fiesta st is definitely not for me and I dont see much of advantage going for it over my current car, specially at that price tag. I drive a lot and st roughness would get old extremely fast. Polo GTI would suit me a lot better, but again, price tag is ridiculous.

Still, very cool hatch and a lot of petrol heads will love it, unfortunately its not for me.

I'd say go drive one and then see for yourself.

I ran 2 of the last generation 1.6l FST's over 2 years and whilst any car must be a compromise between comfort and handling they were actually pretty easy to live with day to day. They were quite happy on a motorway, and a 3 hour drive wouldn't have you making an appointment with a chiropractor.

The new model is (according to reports) set up slightly gentler for normal road use, and with other modes for more spirited use.

The Recaro seats are brilliant, and now sit a bit lower.

The engine gets universal praise and whilst fuel economy isn't the first priority in this class of car I regularly saw 40mpg or slightly better with ordinary use. The new engine will be lighter on fuel if anything. Some roads tests are suggesting 45mpg at motorway speeds.

The price is high (all cars are expensive in Ireland) but undercuts it's rivals.

The outgoing model was a clear class leader, and this'll be no different I reckon.

ShadowHearth

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'd say go drive one and then see for yourself.

I ran 2 of the last generation 1.6l FST's over 2 years and whilst any car must be a compromise between comfort and handling they were actually pretty easy to live with day to day. They were quite happy on a motorway, and a 3 hour drive wouldn't have you making an appointment with a chiropractor.

The new model is (according to reports) set up slightly gentler for normal road use, and with other modes for more spirited use.

The Recaro seats are brilliant, and now sit a bit lower.

The engine gets universal praise and whilst fuel economy isn't the first priority in this class of car I regularly saw 40mpg or slightly better with ordinary use. The new engine will be lighter on fuel if anything. Some roads tests are suggesting 45mpg at motorway speeds.

The price is high (all cars are expensive in Ireland) but undercuts it's rivals.

The outgoing model was a clear class leader, and this'll be no different I reckon.

Thats the thing, at least by reviewer and some of the comments online ( I know, very hard prove ) that mpg is worse then out going model in real life.
Old fiesta was stiff indeed and new one is even more performance focused. As I said, nothing wrong with that, just I am not 20 anymore lol.

I still have a year or two to decide on my next car, but I do all my research in advance. As you said, I need to test drive it and see it for myself.
I would be more interested in 5 door then 3 anyway, as my ratty is getting only bigger not smaller. I can still get away with 3 doors for next two years.

hooch-85

I'm in the same predicament, I'm into my 30's now, i'll be keeping my ST until at least 2019, after that it'll have to be a 5 door of some sort, the new ST sounds good but i'm leaning more towards a used Golf GTi /Leon Cupra or Octavia RS.

ShadowHearth

hooch-85 wrote: »

I'm in the same predicament, I'm into my 30's now, i'll be keeping my ST until at least 2019, after that it'll have to be a 5 door of some sort, the new ST sounds good but i'm leaning more towards a used Golf GTi /Leon Cupra or Octavia RS.

Same, Leon Cupra is actually on top of my list right now. Even now there is one for sale 151 for 22k eu, when new, its about 40k. Can't beat that value for money. So in 2 years time or earlier I might pick up 1-3 year old Leon cupra instead, when pcp is up.
5 door st or polo gti would be handy, but I dont know if 30k and 34k+ is justified for what you get.

vintagevrs

Dealer just mailed me and said no 5 door. Suggested maybe a 1L ecoboost...

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vintagevrs

Yeah saw that alright, so was hopeful it was just not included on the price list. I have a no on the 5 door from two dealers now. Still early days I guess.

hooch-85

vintagevrs wrote: »

Yeah saw that alright, so was hopeful it was just not included on the price list. I have a no on the 5 door from two dealers now. Still early days I guess.

Coincidentally i was onto Lyons today, they are expecting their first car to arrive end of July, mentioned i'd be interested in 5 door and he said it would be a special order as all cars arriving for stock will be 3 door. Wouldn't say a 5 door is out of the question.

GavRedKing

I'd say if you put your money firmly on the table and were prepared to wait a few weeks, Ford would have no reason not to take an order.
They might want about 10% of the value of the car as a deposit though.

I think that's the standard deposit for special orders, like Mustangs and RS's.

Henry Ford III

Another vid....

vintagevrs

5 door now available, just got a mail. 600 euro as mentioned before.

hooch-85

https://www.completecar.ie/car-reviews/article/Ford/Fiesta/Fiesta_ST/580/8224/2018-Ford-Fiesta-ST-review.html

Fantastic review from completecar.ie. I'm going to find hard not to be interested in this car!

Saint Clabbert

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'd say go drive one and then see for yourself.

I ran 2 of the last generation 1.6l FST's over 2 years and whilst any car must be a compromise between comfort and handling they were actually pretty easy to live with day to day. They were quite happy on a motorway, and a 3 hour drive wouldn't have you making an appointment with a chiropractor.

The new model is (according to reports) set up slightly gentler for normal road use, and with other modes for more spirited use.

The Recaro seats are brilliant, and now sit a bit lower.

The engine gets universal praise and whilst fuel economy isn't the first priority in this class of car I regularly saw 40mpg or slightly better with ordinary use. The new engine will be lighter on fuel if anything. Some roads tests are suggesting 45mpg at motorway speeds.

The price is high (all cars are expensive in Ireland) but undercuts it's rivals.

The outgoing model was a clear class leader, and this'll be no different I reckon.

Cannot disagree with you there - Definitely try one out first - Ive been running an ST daily for a few years now too, and its been really easy to live with. Wouldn't be doing much motorway driving, mainly urban, national and country roads, but on a long run, mpg is good and never get out feeling any pain. While chassis setup is stiff (because its a hot hatch...) - I don't find it uncomfortably so. Not many passenger complaints either. Tyre choice made a big difference though - OEM Bridgestones & Michelin PS3 were pretty noisy & hard. Settled on Goodyear Eagle F1 AS2 and these really took the edge off the crashy ride aspects of the Bridgestone/Michelins, without any discernible deterioration in wet/dry grip or wear characteristics. If you want backbreaking ride try a Racing Puma/Renault Clio Trophy!
On the new ST, while the suspension is heavily revised, its a fully passive set-up. There is no active damper set up on the new ST. So far, the common consensus is that new ST is slightly more compliant, but as HF III said above, try one first.
If you're not buying from stock & speccing your own car, then 5 door is a €600 option. Don't know why they insist on calling it a special order. They're all built on the same line.