Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

Henry Ford III

Another strong review. I'm tempted....

vintagevrs

I'm close to pulling the trigger on one of these but keep thinking I should just get a 3 year old 320d instead...

Not sure what to do. New Ford has warranty and no doubt more fun. But new car depreciation is sore and novelty may wear off relatively quickly. The Ford makes a nice noise, has plenty of tech, practical enough for my need as well as nippy enough. Worried though that in 8 months I'll be looking elsewhere again and really don't want to do that. I did buy a new golf r a few years ago and on paper it ticked all the boxes but it left me a bit cold, and I sold it shortly after and took the hit so don't want to repeat that.

I've owned diesel BMs before, and out of all my cars i kept my 320d the longest. It was comfortable, economical and quick enough and I put 140k miles on it.

Probably a slightly biased thread to be asking for thoughts but not sure what to do.

Limbo123

vintagevrs wrote: »

I'm close to pulling the trigger on one of these but keep thinking I should just get a 3 year old 320d instead...

Not sure what to do. New Ford has warranty and no doubt more fun. But new car depreciation is sore and novelty may wear off relatively quickly. The Ford makes a nice noise, has plenty of tech, practical enough for my need as well as nippy enough. Worried though that in 8 months I'll be looking elsewhere again and really don't want to do that. I did buy a new golf r a few years ago and on paper it ticked all the boxes but it left me a bit cold, and I sold it shortly after and took the hit so don't want to repeat that.

I've owned diesel BMs before, and out of all my cars i kept my 320d the longest. It was comfortable, economical and quick enough and I put 140k miles on it.

Probably a slightly biased thread to be asking for thoughts but not sure what to do.

Unbiased view.... I have a mk7.5 ST. Great fun to drive- better than the Focus ST of same vintage - I tested both. Puts a smile on my face each time I drive it. Not much will keep up with it on B roads where it really comes to life. Not many on the roads.
Had it since new - depriciated no end. Signs of rust. Corroded alloys (known issue yet Ford Ireland don't give a flying f***!), very soft paint - look at it and it chips, rattles started from the door now seems to be getting louder and from the whole dashboard now, interior looks dated, easy to nick, a lot of insurance companies in Ireland won't touch it as it's not a 1lt 70hp diesel.

Great fun, laugh a minute but only if you can live with the negatives of owning a Ford and the quality of the build.

Chefjom

Hi, just wondering has anyone got their car remapped. Getting my one done next week to 225bhp and 50 extra nm. Bit nervous about reliability act though.

GavRedKing

I've the Mountune map, no issues in about 18 months of having it.

No change in fuel consumption either.

Henry Ford III

Test drive one. It's the only way

GavRedKing

I think the ecoboost engines seem to be pretty reliable even tuned, unless of course you f**k up and end up putting Mustang heads on RS blocks. :pac:

vintagevrs

I'm still hmmming over ordering one of these. Bit of a shadow of concern though are the potential deals that Ford might do in a year or two like they did before which would hurt resale value. Crystal ball stuff though knowing what's gonna happen in the future. Currently driving an older car that needs little bits and pieces done which is pissing me off a little. Silly stuff like topping up fluids etc. I just can't be arsed with it anymore.

hooch-85

vintagevrs wrote: »

I'm still hmmming over ordering one of these. Bit of a shadow of concern though are the potential deals that Ford might do in a year or two like they did before which would hurt resale value. Crystal ball stuff though knowing what's gonna happen in the future. Currently driving an older car that needs little bits and pieces done which is pissing me off a little. Silly stuff like topping up fluids etc. I just can't be arsed with it anymore.

I'd say hang tough a while and drive one at least, I know the reviews are glowing but i still couldn't buy a car with out trying it first. I can't see Ford slashing the price as much with this model in 1-2 years but it will be interesting to see if any decent discounts will be offered.

Chefjom

Ya I think 225 bhp is enough for it anyway. think it will be grand just reassuring to hear another opinion!

hooch-85

Chefjom wrote: »

Ya I think 225 bhp is enough for it anyway. think it will be grand just reassuring to hear another opinion!

Who's the remap with? I sincerely doubt you will get 225 bhp with just a remap.

The quality of our fuel here is desperately bad.

Chefjom

I was thinking it was ambitious as well but it's dynod before and after. it's jtk remapping dungaravan

dar83

I would imagine they will be expecting you to be on octane boosters for that figure, but sure see what they can do.

hooch-85

This might throw a spanner in the works next year.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/ibiza/102697/new-cupra-ibiza-likely-to-arrive-in-2019

GavRedKing

Not doubting the place in Dungarvan but if it was me, I'd have more peace of mind if I went with Revo, Collins, Mountune, Peron.

GavRedKing

hooch-85 wrote: »

This might throw a spanner in the works next year.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/ibiza/102697/new-cupra-ibiza-likely-to-arrive-in-2019

Part of the reason I didnt go with an Ibiza Cupra back when i got the ST is the interior, I just didnt like the look of it at all.

It price point, I think it was roughly 24/25k, was pretty cheap compared to the Ford but with the Ford discounts, it was a no brainer going for the ST, I also think the old Fiesta is a better looking car than the old Cupra but thats subjective.

ShadowHearth

vintagevrs wrote: »

I'm still hmmming over ordering one of these. Bit of a shadow of concern though are the potential deals that Ford might do in a year or two like they did before which would hurt resale value. Crystal ball stuff though knowing what's gonna happen in the future. Currently driving an older car that needs little bits and pieces done which is pissing me off a little. Silly stuff like topping up fluids etc. I just can't be arsed with it anymore.

To be honest, I would not buy brand new model just released. Its like beta testing car, that you payed more for privilege of being one of the first ones.
I would personally wait at least a year or two for model to mature. There will be issues that they will have to fix when its properly tested in real world.

Limbo123

Chefjom wrote: »

Hi, just wondering has anyone got their car remapped. Getting my one done next week to 225bhp and 50 extra nm. Bit nervous about reliability act though.

Been running CP2 from Collins For the last year and a half. No issues. Totally transforms it.
They currently have a sale on for their iflash and their customer service is spot on.

Henry Ford III

ShadowHearth wrote:

To be honest, I would not buy brand new model just released. Its like beta testing car, that you payed more for privilege of being one of the first ones. I would personally wait at least a year or two for model to mature. There will be issues that they will have to fix when its properly tested in real world.

That's right. Nobody buys a new model ever.

hooch-85

I can second Collins CP2, great map.

PCeeeee

Limbo123 wrote: »

Been running CP2 from Collins For the last year and a half. No issues. Totally transforms it.
They currently have a sale on for their iflash and their customer service is spot on.

Do Collins have someone in Ireland?

vintagevrs

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That's right. Nobody buys a new model ever.

Jaysus lol,

He's making a fair point about being an early adopter, that applies to a lot of stuff.

For a new car I wouldn't be overly concerned about it as it's all covered under warranty. In fairness though I'd be pretty pissed had I bought a focus RS with the head gasket issue, even with engine replacement sorted by Ford it would put a bad taste on the experience.

Still weighing it up in my head though. A 4 door 2l diesel is probably the sensible option. I think the fiesta though could be half justified as being somewhat sensible in 5 door. And it makes the right noises to have some fun in.

hooch-85

PCeeeee wrote: »

Do Collins have someone in Ireland?

They send you the software and a OBD device to load the map yourself. Process is you read the original map off the ECU, email it on to Collins, they tweak the map to suit your car and email it back to you, and upload it to your car, the map is encrypted to your car only.

You can reflash the standard map to the car whenever you like.

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PCeeeee

hooch-85 wrote: »

They send you the software and a OBD device to load the map yourself. Process is you read the original map off the ECU, email it on to Collins, they tweak the map to suit your car and email it back to you, and upload it to your car, the map is encrypted to your car only.

You can reflash the standard map to the car whenever you like.

Can you swap back to the original then?

Limbo123

PCeeeee wrote: »

hooch-85 wrote: »

They send you the software and a OBD device to load the map yourself. Process is you read the original map off the ECU, email it on to Collins, they tweak the map to suit your car and email it back to you, and upload it to your car, the map is encrypted to your car only.

You can reflash the standard map to the car whenever you like.

Can you swap back to the original then?

Yup. Switching between the maps takes 2 minutes

PCeeeee

Limbo123 wrote: »

Yup. Switching between the maps takes 2 minutes

Tempting

Limbo123

PCeeeee wrote: »

Limbo123 wrote: »

Yup. Switching between the maps takes 2 minutes

Tempting

It's the only map you can really run on a totally standard car. It will also adapt to adds on like intercooler, catback and induction kit without needing to be updated so you can buy these at a later date.

Very useable for everyday driving without being aggressive like some other remaps out on the market.

PCeeeee

How does it affect fuel consumption?

hooch-85

No noticable difference for me

PCeeeee

Sounds v v good. Hmmm.

George Dalton

Limbo123 wrote: »

It's the only map you can really run on a totally standard car.

I usually don’t comment on software posts because people will think I have a vested interest as a Revo dealer but this is just incorrect. There are numerous software packages available that are designed to work with an otherwise standard car. A good custom map by a reputable tuner will also be fine on a standard car. Also on your other point about the map adapting, all maps (even the stock Ford map) will “adapt” to a certain extent with other mods. This it not a unique feature of the Collins software.

I understand that Collins provides one product that covers standard cars all the way up to Stage 2 spec cars. So effectively they aren’t specifically tuning for either. Adaptions will only go so far, so they are either pushing stock too hard or not getting the most out of the hardware. I suspect it’s the latter rather than the former but the fact is you can't have both. Compare with Revo where Stage 1 is designed for a standard car. Then add the hardware and pay the upgrade fee and you get software that is designed and calibrated for a car with the hardware mods.

As far as I can see the main perk of the Collins system is the ability for the end user to switch between the Collins file and the Ford file whenever they want, rather than having to go back to the tuner to have the stock file flashed on. But I would imagine that this DIY approach is a bit of a double edged sword as many people wouldn’t be comfortable doing this on their own car.

What price is the Collins software just out of interest?

Henry Ford III

What effect on premium did these mods make? I think the FST is plenty quick enough in stock form.

George Dalton

Henry Ford III wrote: »

What effect on premium did these mods make? I think the FST is plenty quick enough in stock form.

I think we can safely assume that in the vast majority of cases the mods have €0.00 affect on premiums.....

Henry Ford III

George Dalton wrote:

I think we can safely assume that in the vast majority of cases the mods have €0.00 affect on premiums.....

Through happy acceptance on the part of the insurer, or non disclosure?

GavRedKing

My insurance is up in June and a few websites I was browsing for quotes gave options from ST1's right up to an ST200 and even the ST1/2/3 upgraded 215 as an option.

I checked one site, I think AIG, with a "normal" ST2 and an upgraded ST215 and the difference was about €7, now, i didnt do it for every website as every insurer would be different but some places have the option to declare the maps.

Just as an FYI, my insurance renewal with my current insurer (25 plus.ie) was €720, slightly up from last year.

I've got quotes over €1.5k and most places were €700-900.

AIG were €609 and FBD were by far the cheapest a €496.

Age: 32
Full license: 10 years
NCB: 11 years
No points or claims for windscreen damage.

hooch-85

hooch-85 wrote: »

......... and drive one at least..........

Indeed ..........with special / hot hatch type cars ones expectations can be higher. Im in a VRS diesel Octavia this week and was delighted when I saw it, was full sure I'd love it. Was always a car I'd have had on the ole pick up a 3 yar old one and be happy out with the purchase.

Not at all gone on it. I'm surprised, truly.

I test drove a Kia Sorento a couple of weeks back and was really impressed. So I'm not overly fussy like.

JoeA3

It's probably wise to declare the map, particularly if you're a bit risk averse (I'd say most of us are) and most especially if you have a lot of finance tied up in the car.

That said - the chances of some insurance assessor with a clipboard having any iota of a clue that a crashed car's been modified? I would say close to nil, particularly if the mod is not staring back at him (i.e. obvious aftermarket wheels/bodykit). But thats just my own hunch, going by my own prior experience with insurance assessors. So... you may well take your chances.

Zubeneschamali

Augeo wrote: »

Im in a VRS diesel Octavia this week and was delighted when I saw it, was full sure I'd love it. Was always a car I'd have had on the ole pick up a 3 yar old one and be happy out with the purchase.

Not at all gone on it. I'm surprised, truly.

I bought one back in October - but it is only a warm family diesel, not any kind of Hot anything.

GavRedKing

JoeA3 wrote: »

It's probably wise to declare the map, particularly if you're a bit risk averse (I'd say most of us are) and most especially if you have a lot of finance tied up in the car.

That said - the chances of some insurance assessor with a clipboard having any iota of a clue that a crashed car's been modified? I would say close to nil, particularly if the mod is not staring back at him (i.e. obvious aftermarket wheels/bodykit). But thats just my own hunch, going by my own prior experience with insurance assessors. So... you may well take your chances.

Ya, for the Fiesta, unless you fit an aftermarket air intake with a cone in it, you shouldnt be able to tell the car is mapped if you looked under the bonnet, short of putting it on a dyno.

Worse case scenario, you could flash the car back to stock with the handheld device too but as long as your car isnt heavily or obviously modified, I'd wager you'd get away with it but it would be a call I'd make on an individual basis and not something I'd advise anyone else on.

Zubeneschamali

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I bought one back in October - but it is only a warm family diesel, not any kind of Hot anything.

Indeed, the Sorento is as fast I reckon.
the red brakes etc etc would raise one's expectations.......not to mention what most of the folk on the various forums would have you expect given their glowing praise.

vintagevrs

The insurance company would have to prove that you knew it was mapped. You could please ignorance. Also, I doubt that would be needed at all.

Zubeneschamali

vintagevrs wrote: »

The insurance company would have to prove that you knew it was mapped. You could please ignorance.

No, they would just refuse to pay up, they don't have to go to court for that.

You would have to sue to try and make them pay up - and prove you did not break their terms and conditions (which, of course, none of us have ever read).

Henry Ford III

I'd always advise declare mods. If it costs a few quid extra what about it?

Point is you'll be properly covered. What's the point of saving a few bob on a premium when the value of your car, and your future insurability are at risk?

Insurers are well able to dig into an ecu if they feel so inclined. They have much better resources than a tuner/remapper too.

If you get caught you after an accident/claim you stand to lose a €30k car (the comprehensive part of your cover) your ncb, and also your good standing - insurers give those who have been economical with the truth a really hard time.

I've seen this happen to someone, and it's not nice.

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Henry Ford III

Looks great - even as a 5 door.

dar83

Looks really good alright. Alloys definitely need changing though.

JoeA3

The alloys are horrific.

vintagevrs

I like em

hooch-85

JoeA3 wrote: »

The alloys are horrific.

Haha honestjoe.ie:D

In certain colours they look ok but in general I'm not a big fan. The ST Line 17" wheels are actually quite nice and come with the Michelin ps4 as well