300,000 emigrated in past 4 years

hfallada

Even during the boom Irish people still emigrated to get better jobs else where so we always had emigration.

Still something like 50,000 people are immigrating into Ireland every year. So there is only a net migration of 30,000 per year. One of the reasons why Ireland did so well during the celtic tiger was that Irish who emigrated learned skills they could never in Ireland and gained business ideas aboard.

ilovesleep

I have family - siblings, that emigrated and 2 more that are and will be leaving. They have no other option but to leave. Work is just not here. Out of 5 I'll be last one. I so badly want to go to. As for where, I don't know. Staying at home I don't see my life progressing and in 10 years time if I continue to live at home being alone and single, working or not working. I know so many people, when at home nothing worked for them relationship wise and now many are shacked up and due to be married. Where as if they were at home nothing would have worked for them. Emirgration is good. It helps people in many ways but it can hurt those left behind. Broken families. Parents aging alone. Things like that.

ilovesleep

300,000 is a fierce amount of people to leave. There are approximately 450,000 people unemployed here in this country, although that figure includes all those on social welfare payments be it lone parent allowance, disabilty payment, etc. Without emigration that figure would be much higher.

We have approximately 4 million people here in Ireland. Approx. 2 million adults. Without emigration we'd have appoximaxely 800,000 supported by the state. What percentage is that? 30% at a guess.

We're just as fcuked as spain and other pigs countries.

Something that came up in the news last week is that throughout the eurozone there is 19 million unemployed.

KyussBishop

Unless things significantly change politically in this country, will probably end up emigrating myself regardless of economic conditions; just not in a right position to at the moment.

With this too, we are still only in the first half of the crisis, which we may not turn the corner from until the end of the decade, so how many more people are we going to lose? How many skilled people that we are putting through college, that the success of our future economy depends on, will leave and be working elsewhere, by the end of the decade?

This is part of the actual human cost all the austerity advocates trivialize, usually because they themselves will personally be sitting comfortable, relatively insulated from the crisis.


Throughout Europe, we have loads of unemployed people (who increasingly are emigrating), lots of idle industry and resources, and lots of useful public projects that these people and resources can be put to work on (providing a real boost to economies).
The current output of our economies, versus the full potential output of our economies, leaves an enormous output gap, and this is potential effort that is lost forever, every day that this goes on.

This insane situation, is how austerity advocates say economies should be run; money, instead of being used to make economies run at maximum efficiency (i.e. using up all labour, not wasting labour/potential-effort through unemployment), is used to hinder economies instead, by giving sole control of money to private banks, and artificially restricting the availability of money (which is currently based entirely on debt, even though this makes economies inherently unstable over time, and benefits only finance/banking).

It loses sight totally, of the real economy made up of people (labour) and resources/industry, and instead focuses on the 'shadow' economy, made up of finance/banking/money/debt, and prioritizes making politics favour benefits for the shadow economy (which just so happens to enrich many monetarily/politically influential people working in the shadow economy), instead of making politics favour benefits in the real economy (which benefits all of society).


The more I read/learn about this, the more it looks like an outright class war, because the people who have benefited from this crisis, and those who benefit from holding the crisis in place, are by and large those in finance and big business (particularly the executive class within business/finance - less so those lower down in those industries), who are looking to become wealthy on the back of the crisis, or who already are wealthy and are looking to expand their wealth by holding the crisis in place.

It makes me extremely cynical, towards a lot of the people defending austerity, who just-so-happen to have largely undisclosed conflicts-of-interest, by being directly involved with such industry, where their paycheck may either depend on, or may be enhanced, by parroting and sticking to the austerity agenda.

Currently, these people largely try to control and restrict debate on this topic, trying to limit it within the bounds of austerity (and usually have a sneering/condescending tone to anyone presenting alternatives, because they know they can't win debates on purely rational argument); they succeed at limiting debate like this too, and it really needs to be fought against much harder, because actual impetus to change won't occur (among the wider population), until the austerity narrative is overpowered, and alternatives widely discussed without the debate being muddied.

Grayson

To be fair, Irelands a depressing ****hole at the moment. I honestly never wanted to be one of those people who died within 10 miles of where I was born. And in this atmosphere it's even more of an incentive to go.

And even if the economy changed, I don't think I'd stay. Celtic tiger ireland was crappy too. Sure there were loads of jobs and money, but it was a horrible place to be.

I imagine I will eventually come back to ireland and settle down. For all my griping, it's not that bad. But jesus, who can blame anyone for wanting to get out of here for a few years.

Grayson

ilovesleep wrote: »

I have family - siblings, that emigrated and 2 more that are and will be leaving. They have no other option but to leave. Work is just not here. Out of 5 I'll be last one. I so badly want to go to. As for where, I don't know. Staying at home I don't see my life progressing and in 10 years time if I continue to live at home being alone and single, working or not working. I know so many people, when at home nothing worked for them relationship wise and now many are shacked up and due to be married. Where as if they were at home nothing would have worked for them. Emirgration is good. It helps people in many ways but it can hurt those left behind. Broken families. Parents aging alone. Things like that.

It's not even that work isn't available. I know plenty of people with jobs who left. Thery could go away for a few years and have a better standard of living and manage to save. When they come back (And most will) they'll have more experience and a nest egg. Meanwhile those that stay are finding that no matter how much experience or qualifications they get, they're still stuck in the same job. Since there's so few jobs out there, there's next to no mobility any more.

UCDVet

Grayson wrote: »

It's not even that work isn't available. I know plenty of people with jobs who left. Thery could go away for a few years and have a better standard of living and manage to save. When they come back (And most will) they'll have more experience and a nest egg. Meanwhile those that stay are finding that no matter how much experience or qualifications they get, they're still stuck in the same job. Since there's so few jobs out there, there's next to no mobility any more.

I would have to agree with this.

I could move abroad and get a similar job, only I would get paid more, pay less in taxes, and enjoy a lower cost of living.

armaghbhoy

I have thought about emigrating but that means starting a whole new life not knowing anyone in a big city which I would probably get lost in. Theres no place like home really, no matter how bad you think it is. Some things are pretty depressing in this place and seeing it all the time makes you tired of it. Although I don't plan on emigrating now I'm still thinking that in the future maybe I could move to the countryside where I could appreciate things a bit more and have peace and quiet from the usual stuff.

periodictable

Any youngster I chat to I advise them to get the hell out of this country either once they get a 3rd level qualification or if they plan to just go on the dole after school.
There is NOTHING in the country to recommend it to anyone, save the scenery, perhaps and many decent folk, but you cannot make a living from those.
Taxes are raised to pay foreign banks and hedge funds for the debts of private business. Why should anyone work to pay these people, and to support the pensions of corrupt politicians,useless civil servants, and to maintain the status quo?
I estimate that up to 70% of the population is in one form or another dependent for an income on the state...money for public housing "sorry sir I don't like that house, I want to live over there", money to furnish houses, to buy clothes, medical cards all over the place, endless free legal aid.....nobody should work to pay for another person's lifestyle.
Leave this failed state. Make your life elsewhere where you will advance through merit, not who you voted for, played for or who your Daddy knows. The world is your oyster and your whole life is ahead of you. Get a one way ticket and don't bother coming back.

Grayson

UCDVet wrote: »

I would have to agree with this.

I could move abroad and get a similar job, only I would get paid more, pay less in taxes, and enjoy a lower cost of living.

I'll probably be leaving in a years time. I have so many friends who are telling me great things about living abroad.
In a year I'll have my masters and my options are

1) Stay here in a crappy job and spend the next 10 years paying off a student loan.

2) Go away and get some experience. Plus earn enough to be debt free in 6 months.

It's not even the taxes here. It's just that your education and experience is valued so much more abroad.

Cody Pomeray

ilovesleep wrote: »

300,000 is a fierce amount of people to leave. There are approximately 450,000 people unemployed here in this country, although that figure includes all those on social welfare payments be it lone parent allowance, disabilty payment, etc.

Depressingly enough, it doesn't even. If anything, it understates the problem.

Those 430,000 people are all unemployed, or else underemployed.

There is an extra 85,000 (April 2013) who are unemployed and in work activation programmes, for which they receive benefits.

This brings the total to 515,000.

While it is false to say that every one of the 300,000 emigrants would be on the dole if they returned, and come up with a figure of 800,000 I think it is reasonable to assume that many of those emigrants would be receiving unemployment assistance if they remained in the state.

These are some pretty horrific figures

Hardly surprising which age group is leaving, kinda expected when children's allowance and pensions are protected at all costs.

Grimreaper666

I wish my grandparents had moved out if this ****hole of a country years ago and i'd be living somewhere sunny now without being taxed to death.

The Backwards Man

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

taxed to death.

:eek:

Cody Pomeray

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I wish my grandparents had moved out if this ****hole of a country years ago and i'd be living somewhere sunny now without being taxed to death.

What age are you?

Have your grandparents tied you up?

Grimreaper666

The Backwards Man wrote: »

:eek:

Well that's how it feels at the moment,:(. The whole situation is hopeless here now and looks like it's getting worse listening to the news today.

Grimreaper666

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

What age are you?

Have your grandparents tied you up?

Old enough to know better. My grandparents did sweet f all for me, I was just saying I wish they had emigrated years ago so I wouldn't have to now. I've just folded my business i spent over 20 years building up and am now faced with emigrating myself. I get no help what so ever from the state being self employed even though i paid prsi all my life. Once i'm gone i hope i never set foot in this politically correct tip of a place again.

Systemic Risk

jjbrien wrote: »

Id agree with you there im just back from been in Canada for 2 years. Looking at going to the states if I cant get a job here but wouldnt advise anyone to go to Canada.

I have never been but I have a couple of mates from my college days that don't want to leave Vancouver. They absolutely love it there and are trying to get citizenship.

The Backwards Man

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Well that's how it feels at the moment,:(. The whole situation is hopeless here now and looks like it's getting worse listening to the news today.

Even the grimreaper has given up on us, we truly are fooked.:eek:

Generic Athlone Guy

Everyone should emigrate to Athlone, it is a great town. We have shops. And a river.

Cody Pomeray

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Old enough to know better. My grandparents did sweet f all for me, I was just saying I wish they had emigrated years ago so I wouldn't have to now. I've just folded my business i spent over 20 years building up and...

Save it for the autobiography darling.

If you've been in business for 20 years you were old enough to uproot yourself and jog along long before now.

Grimreaper666

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Save it for the autobiography darling.

If you've been in business for 20 years you were old enough to uproot yourself and jog along long before now.

You obviously never worked at building a business through thick and thin, maybe if you did you'd realise what a waste of time it is trying to do anything legit in this dump is.

oppenheimer1

periodictable wrote: »

Those are the lucky ones. Better off out of this dump.
Joyce was right when he described Ireland as the sow that ate her farrow.

Yet Joyce couldn't stop writing about Ireland.

Cody Pomeray

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

You obviously never worked at building a business through thick and thin, maybe if you did you'd realise what a waste of time it is trying to do anything legit in this dump is.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

With the exception of the bankss' borrowing statistics, most people would agree that Ireland has few bureaucratic barriers to enterprise and has a favourable corporate environment.

And more importantly you're avoiding the point.

Did you just go from your grandparents being responsible to you to having been in business for 20 years?

Why didn't you leave by your own accord? Nobody was forcing you to stay nor are they now. Take some personal responsibility.

Remmy

Generic Athlone Guy wrote: »

Everyone should emigrate to Athlone, it is a great town. We have shops. And a river.

They should do an Athlone tourism ad with that crazy look around soundtrack. That's what Ireland needs

liffeylite

Caliden wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0509/391211-emigration-report/




The survey doesn't mention how many of these were permanent emigrations or if they were just 1 year Oz breaks which seems to be the 'cool' thing to do these days.

I moved to Boston on a 1 year J1 graduate visa and was offered a H1 visa but turned it down. 1 year was enough as I never intended on staying but if I was offered a well paying job in the future I would definitely consider it.

I think this survey might explain why the rate of unemployment is decreasing...

typical sensationalist journalism.

yes the numbers are high, but what it doesn't tell you is how many people moved to Ireland over this period!!!its not as if 300,000 left and nobody came the other way. approx. 180,000 people moved to Ireland over this same period. factor in birth rates and the total population is still HIGHER than it has ever been in the last 100 years! to sides to every story.

becost

AND DON'T COME BACK :pac:

carzony

ilovesleep wrote: »

I have family - siblings, that emigrated and 2 more that are and will be leaving. They have no other option but to leave. Work is just not here.

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I don't blame people for leaving this kip

''work is just not here'' I hear people constantly saying that theres plenty of work and that all the unemployed people are all lazy bastards.. It's all bolix i'v been looking for work for he last while and have got nothing, I nearly got in with a security company a few weeks ago but suprise, suprise they don't have any more jobs available.

I went to Fas and they really have f.all to offer me, They just insisted that I should repeat the ecdl course even thought I only completed it a few months ago:mad: I wanted to go back to college but there was so many applying for the particular course the women told me i'd have to apply next year, So basically they are leaving me another whole year unemployed.

Grimreaper666

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

With the exception of the bankss' borrowing statistics, most people would agree that Ireland has few bureaucratic barriers to enterprise and has a favourable corporate environment.

And more importantly you're avoiding the point.

Did you just go from your grandparents being responsible to you to having been in business for 20 years?

Why didn't you leave by your own accord? Nobody was forcing you to stay nor are they now. Take some personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility? Did you even read or understand what I said? As regards personal responsibility i've been taking it all my life and worked bloody hard since i was 11. Set up my own business 23 years ago employing up to 10 people at it's peak. I didn't leave because i believed there was a future in Ireland at the time and i gave it my best shot only for the the whole EU monster to collapse resulting in widespread wipeout of good businesses due to bad decisions and management of the economy by a government that promised to run the country fairly.
My original gripe was i wished my grandparents had left this place years ago so i wouldn't have to now instead of wasting my time trying to succeed in a country whos government clearly isn't interested in an economic recovery by implementing austerity measures on it.

sulc84

Poor people.. What economic crisis done..

Cody Pomeray

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Personal responsibility? Did you even read or understand what I said? As regards personal responsibility i've been taking it all my life and worked bloody hard since i was 11. Set up my own business 23 years ago employing up to 10 people at it's peak. I didn't leave because i believed there was a future in Ireland at the time and i gave it my best shot only for the the whole EU monster to collapse resulting in widespread wipeout of good businesses due to bad decisions and management of the economy by a government that promised to run the country fairly.
My original gripe was i wished my grandparents had left this place years ago so i wouldn't have to now instead of wasting my time trying to succeed in a country whos government clearly isn't interested in an economic recovery by implementing austerity measures on it.

I didn't ask for your life story.

You said you wished your Grandparents had left so you wouldn't have to live here.

I presume you're about 40+... don't you think you should take some personal responsibility for not having done so yourself?

Grimreaper666

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I didn't ask for your life story.

You said you wished your Grandparents had left so you wouldn't have to live here.

I presume you're about 40+... don't you think you should take some personal responsibility for not having done so yourself?

Look, if you don't understand what i just said i must be talking to a brick wall. I tried to explain to you about personal responsibility and working here and giving it my best shot therefore i tried and tried bloody hard, that's fairly responsible don't you think? And now i'm out of here, this country having failed me miserably, another act of responsibility. Hope that's cleared it up for you and apologies for boring you with my life story. Hope you don't fall off your high horse anytime soon.

Cody Pomeray

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Look, if you don't understand what i just said i must be talking to a brick wall. I tried to explain to you about personal responsibility and working here and giving it my best shot therefore i tried and tried bloody hard, that's fairly responsible don't you think? And now i'm out of here, this country having failed me miserably, another act of responsibility.

I'm not really interested in the opinion that the "country failed you".

More the idea that you'd bring your Grandparents into what was your decision.

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I wish my grandparents had moved out if this ****hole of a country years ago and i'd be living somewhere sunny now without being taxed to death.

YOU chose to hang around, and did so when times were good. If you want to clear off, off with you.

General General

snubbleste wrote: »

How many of them are Irish?
According to the CSO, 87,100 emigrated in the year April 2011 to April 2012 and of those 53% (46,500) were Irish nationals

They took our immigrants!

The Backwards Man wrote: »

My brother works for a Swedish company, in China, and he lives in Brazil. He doesn't consider himself an emigrant.

I hear the morning commute from Brazil to China is a curse.

gurramok

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

There is an extra 85,000 (April 2013) who are unemployed and in work activation programmes, for which they receive benefits.

This brings the total to 515,000.

Do you have a source for this 85,000 number? Could never find the exact number in those programmes.

JimmyCrackCorn

Its not fantastically easy down in Oz either. Easy short term yes but its a long road for the younger tradesmen/women.

There seems to be a belief that once your sponsored down here your sailing. Not true, once your sponsored your at the whim of your employer as moving jobs while sponsored is not an easy thing to pull off and under sponsorship its very easy for an employer to say "if you don't like it I have 4 people that will take that visa"....

28 days is a short time to find a new employer and a long time with the cost of living here. Having talked with and got involved with charity groups down here its not always roses and sunshine for them.

Are there some down here for a party, Hell yea, it was no different in England in the 80s/60s/70s when the paddy drank his wages. Some are in it for the long haul which is a long process.....

c0rk3r

As someone whos moved to Australia id describe myself as a "Handsome economically displaced drifter". Once my 2 year stint is done here my current options are to move to NZ, UK, China (teaching English) or Germany to find work. I can't truely settle here due to visa issues and its the same in other countries too. Ireland needs to pull the finger out and sort itself out, id like to come back instead of constantly moving about

roryc

I left on a one year Oz break back in 2008. Came back to Ireland after it and just could not settle back into the mundanity of life in Dublin at the height of the recession, when 70% of my friends (all who held University degrees) were unemployed. So I moved to the south of Spain when I heard a lot of financial hedge funds and bookmakers were setting up in Gibraltar due to tax breaks etc. I've never looked back - I have all the comforts of home (English supermarkets, Sky TV etc) with the benefit of Spanish weather. No traffic, no pollution, no homeless, no scangers looking to borrow 50c for the bus... very little non work related stress. It's gotten to a stage where even if I was offered my dream job for double the salary back in Ireland I would find it very hard to go back.

On top of this both my brothers have emigrated to Toronto to work in the stock market and have no interest in returning 'home' any time soon. I have two younger sisters who are also now considering moving to England or further afield, as there are little opportunities in Ireland in their fields (psychology and clinical nutrition). While this does upset me to an extent that in a small number of years my family has fragmented across the globe, I would much prefer this over trying to grind my way through the recession. I generally go back at Christmas and once in the summer, but it is starting to feel like a foreign place to me now and I could not imagine going back there to live.

My point is, once this recession is over don't expect everyone to come flooding back to Ireland. Many will have set up abroad and (like me) could view the recession as a blessing in disguise. I have an English gf, my brother has a Canadian gf, and we are both really looking forward to showing them Dublin, Killarney, Galway etc when we go back for a family wedding in July. I'm proud to be born in Ireland, but you soon realise there is nothing special about living there.

Cody Pomeray

gurramok wrote: »

Do you have a source for this 85,000 number? Could never find the exact number in those programmes.

In the annex to the live register figures.

Page 14 for April 2013

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2013/lreg_apr2013.pdf

listermint

roryc wrote: »

I left on a one year Oz break back in 2008. Came back to Ireland after it and just could not settle back into the mundanity of life in Dublin at the height of the recession, when 70% of my friends (all who held University degrees) were unemployed. So I moved to the south of Spain when I heard a lot of financial hedge funds and bookmakers were setting up in Gibraltar due to tax breaks etc. I've never looked back - I have all the comforts of home (English supermarkets, Sky TV etc) with the benefit of Spanish weather. No traffic, no pollution, no homeless, no scangers looking to borrow 50c for the bus... very little non work related stress. It's gotten to a stage where even if I was offered my dream job for double the salary back in Ireland I would find it very hard to go back.

On top of this both my brothers have emigrated to Toronto to work in the stock market and have no interest in returning 'home' any time soon. I have two younger sisters who are also now considering moving to England or further afield, as there are little opportunities in Ireland in their fields (psychology and clinical nutrition). While this does upset me to an extent that in a small number of years my family has fragmented across the globe, I would much prefer this over trying to grind my way through the recession. I generally go back at Christmas and once in the summer, but it is starting to feel like a foreign place to me now and I could not imagine going back there to live.

My point is, once this recession is over don't expect everyone to come flooding back to Ireland. Many will have set up abroad and (like me) could view the recession as a blessing in disguise. I have an English gf, my brother has a Canadian gf, and we are both really looking forward to showing them Dublin, Killarney, Galway etc when we go back for a family wedding in July. I'm proud to be born in Ireland, but you soon realise there is nothing special about living there.

You lost me there,

Meah enjoy spain Zero interest in it myself. I find it very special living here.

Festy

Damn 300,000 that's nearly three fiddy :pac:

MadYaker

I'll be adding to that number as soon as I finish college.

roryc

listermint wrote: »

I find it very special living here.

A lot of people will agree with you.

swimming in a sea

roryc wrote: »

I left on a one year Oz break back in 2008. Came back to Ireland after it and just could not settle back into the mundanity of life in Dublin at the height of the recession, when 70% of my friends (all who held University degrees) were unemployed. So I moved to the south of Spain when I heard a lot of financial hedge funds and bookmakers were setting up in Gibraltar due to tax breaks etc. I've never looked back - I have all the comforts of home (English supermarkets, Sky TV etc) with the benefit of Spanish weather. No traffic, no pollution, no homeless, no scangers looking to borrow 50c for the bus... very little non work related stress. It's gotten to a stage where even if I was offered my dream job for double the salary back in Ireland I would find it very hard to go back.

On top of this both my brothers have emigrated to Toronto to work in the stock market and have no interest in returning 'home' any time soon. I have two younger sisters who are also now considering moving to England or further afield, as there are little opportunities in Ireland in their fields (psychology and clinical nutrition). While this does upset me to an extent that in a small number of years my family has fragmented across the globe, I would much prefer this over trying to grind my way through the recession. I generally go back at Christmas and once in the summer, but it is starting to feel like a foreign place to me now and I could not imagine going back there to live.

My point is, once this recession is over don't expect everyone to come flooding back to Ireland. Many will have set up abroad and (like me) could view the recession as a blessing in disguise. I have an English gf, my brother has a Canadian gf, and we are both really looking forward to showing them Dublin, Killarney, Galway etc when we go back for a family wedding in July. I'm proud to be born in Ireland, but you soon realise there is nothing special about living there.

Good luck to you, I was in Gibraltar last week and loved it. I'm back in Ireland after been abroad and finding the weather and Dublin very boring, I've a one year contract but when over I'd love to move down there.

roryc

swimming in a sea wrote: »

Good luck to you, I was in Gibraltar last week and loved it. I'm back in Ireland after been abroad and finding the weather and Dublin very boring, I've a one year contract but when over I'd love to move down there.

Yeah, I don't see this as a case of looking down on people still living in Ireland. However, I would find it extremely difficult to move home after living abroad for so long. There are so many negative points that massively outweigh the good Ireland has to offer (IMO), and I'm close enough that I can still pop home and experience some of the better times (Christmas etc). Weather is obviously a part of it, but when you look at Ireland from the outside you tend to see if in a different light.

Like I said before, don't expect people to come rushing back if/when the economy improves. The recession is temporary, but for many the decision to leave Ireland will end up being a permanent one.

Reindeer

As I am a Texan, I was considering heading back to Texas for work since it's actually gotten much better there. But my woman lives here, and I just can't really be without her. I think Ireland has a lot to offer. I love this place and I think it's lands and people are beautiful. I've spent a few years here, and I think this time I am going to try and make it stick. It's the least I can do in trade for the Irish that have made new lives for themselves back in The States, I guess. Times are difficult for everyone, and it's a sad thing. Hopefully this situation will improve sooner than later. I, for one, can not blame anyone for trying to make their lives better. I personally know how difficult it is to emigrate. I know what it's like to suddenly have 99% less friends than you once had in a strange new land. I know what it's like not to have family in your country. I know what it's like to be without so much that was once familiar to you, and having to relearn so many things that were once second nature. But, I enjoy learning all the nuances a new land avails. I enjoy immersing myself within a new culture and coming out wiser and enriched for it. I wish all the Irish well that have set afar. I wish us all luck in all our journeys, whether near or far. We'll certainly be needing it.

donegal_road

jjbrien wrote: »

Id agree with you there im just back from been in Canada for 2 years. Looking at going to the states if I cant get a job here but wouldnt advise anyone to go to Canada.

a bit of a sweeping statement maybe? Canada is a big country, which part were you in? I lived in Toronto and had a great time (although it took a while to get settled)

FTA69

It's also worth mentioning that during the last recession we had politicians glossing over emigration with the notion that "tis a small island that can't support everyone." Nowadays we have politicians attempting to dress it up as a holiday in the sun and sure isn't London only a commute these days? The logic behind the above nonsense is that mass emigration of young people of all walks of life is a stark illustration of the establishment's failure toward a generation.

pavb2

300,001

Sadly I'm going tomorrow

listermint

listermint wrote: »

You lost me there,

Meah enjoy spain Zero interest in it myself. I find it very special living here.

Excellent. Don't come to Spain, then.

FTA69 wrote: »

It's also worth mentioning that during the last recession we had politicians glossing over emigration with the notion that "tis a small island that can't support everyone." Nowadays we have politicians attempting to dress it up as a holiday in the sun and sure isn't London only a commute these days? The logic behind the above nonsense is that mass emigration of young people of all walks of life is a stark illustration of the establishment's failure toward a generation.

Yep...that's such an insult. Funny how the first people to say 'ah sure, it's only England/Canada/Spain' have never emigrated themselves. I generally love living in London/Spain (yes, I'm between the two of them right now), but it's hardly a piece of cake. I spend a fortune going back home for various things (weddings, funerals etc) and my parents have spent a fortune visiting me since I left Ireland in 2008. I've all but lost contact with the group of friends I had in Ireland. I probably won't go back because there's just a far better quality of life to be had elsewhere, especially for young graduates, but the 'sure aren't ya having the life of Riley over there in the sun' brigade get on my t*ts. Emigration isn't exactly the ideal solution for everyone.