Finally! The truth is coming out about Syria

Jonny7

Norwesterner wrote: »

Syria was suffering Islamic attacks, car bombs, assasinations since 1976.
This war between Secularists and Islamists in Syria has been ongoing for decades. Some say since 1963.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood_of_Syria#1976.E2.80.9382_Islamic_insurgency
It's peaking now because the U.S changed it's foreign policy after the 2006 Lebanese conflict and to weaken Iran's allies.
Syrians have been resisisting attempts to pull the Country back to the 1400s and Sharia Law long before 2012.

No, it's peaking now because foreign Islamists are going to Syria specifically to fight Assad, in a conflict they see as Sunni vs Shia. Some are also there because they see an opportunity to set up an Islamic state.

They are the third element essentially.

Tony EH

Seeing as this article got deleted the last time I'll post it again, this time as a link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/as-the-us-wants-to-arm-nice-syrian-rebels-we-must-remind-ourselves-that-weapons-are-not-just-guns-they-are-about-money-8659784.html

Suff

Last night, clashes erupted in Sidon in south Lebanon between armed militants and the Lebanese Army, the clashes continued until early this morning - something similar to the events occurring in Syria, only in Syria its on a much larger scale.

full story

cyberhog

A rebel stronghold has switched allegiance to the government.

the town of Tal Kalakh on the Syrian side of the border with Lebanon changed sides at the week-end and is now controlled by the Syrian army.

...The exact terms of the deal are mysterious, but there is no doubt that the regular Syrian army now holds all parts of Tal Kalakh, which had a pre-war population of 55,000 and is an important smuggling route for arms and ammunition from Lebanon...

A local FSA commander, who said his name was Khalid al-Eid, explained that he had gone over to the government side along with 20 men he led because of general disillusionment with the uprising.

Everybody seemed to accept that the Syrian army is back for good. The soldiers in checkpoints were not wearing helmets and often not carrying their weapons, as if they did not expect anybody to attack them. Khalid al-Eid said there had been 300-400 FSA in Tal Kalakh before the army’s return but they must have melted back into the local population under an unofficial amnesty or have gone to Lebanon.

And a Catholic priest in Homs told the Independent:

...there are many other such deals and agreements in the making...He says ceasefires or agreements for rebels to put down their weapons in return for an amnesty are much easier to arrange when all the rebels are Syrians. “When there are foreign Salafi or Jihadi fighters present, as there are in the Old City, an agreement is almost impossible.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/tal-kalakh-syrias-rebel-town-that-forged-its-own-peace-deal-8673695.html

It is a positive sign for the government to see local rebels changing sides and it's going to make it much easier for the SAA to eliminate the foreign backed terrorists as more and more local rebels lay down their arms.

Brown Bomber

Nabil Naim is a Salafist who has now renounced violence. He did so while hewas imprisoned for an assassination attempt on Egyptian President Sadat. He is a founding member of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a veteran mujahid of the US's Jihad by proxy in Afghanistan, a former leader of Al Qaeda and a former confidante of it's now leader Al-Zawahiri.

He sees history repeating itself once again. The Reagan Doctrine has become The Obama Doctrine. He is convinced that the Al Nusra leadership is in the pocket of the CIA - as he himself once was and that the rank-and-file international brigade of professional jihadi-terrorists being airlifted from around the Muslim world into Turkey to be trained in the art of suicide bombings and decapitations by the CIA are ignorant dupes who will be jailed, imprisoned and tortured as soon as their usefulness has worn out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIMM5MVk-o

Brown Bomber

Shocking recent footage on youtube showing what is supposedly our valiant freedom fighters in Syria cutting 3 bound men's heads off apparently as they are Assad supporters. Rumours are circulating that it is a Christian Monk. However, the Monk in question died in his monastery in an equally tragic tale of this awful war.

"The second is the most reliable version," Fr Pizzaballa said. "From the photos and the testimony of our religious, the rebels attacked the village in past few weeks, forcing most residents to flee."

The Monastery of St Anthony was the only safe haven, where Fr Franҫois lived along with some Franciscan friars, four nuns and ten lay Christians. But on Sunday, rebels part of a fringe extremist Islamic group, stormed that place too."

According to the Custos of the Holy Land, Islamists broke into the convent,
looted it and destroyed everything. When Fr Franҫois tried to defend the nuns
and other people, the gunmen shot him dead.

"Right now, the village is completely deserted," Fr Pizzaballa said. "Rebels
have moved there with their families and occupied the houses still
standing."

"Let us pray that this absurd and shameful war ends soon and that the people
of Syria can get back to a normal life soon," he said.


http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Custos-of-the-Holy-Land:-Fr-Franҫois-Mourad-killed-by-Islamist-insurgents-in-al-Ghassaniyah-28294.html

EDIT: Assuming the above is true this surely constitutes ethnic cleansing. Can anyone tell why Obama is so keen to put bigger guns into the hands of ethnic cleansers?

HansHolzel

This is Israel, the US and the EU v Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. Obama is an asshole, just not as bad as Bush. That is why so many millions of Americans vote Democrat. To keep the outright fascists out.

Norwesterner

HansHolzel wrote: »

This is Israel, the US and the EU v Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. Obama is an asshole, just not as bad as Bush. That is why so many millions of Americans vote Democrat. To keep the outright fascists out.

I think the jury is still out on whether he's not as bad as Bush.
He just pushes the same policies, but in a slicker style.

HansHolzel

He's not as keen on invasions, at least

Norwesterner

HansHolzel wrote: »

He's not as keen on invasions, at least

New tactic.
Get Al Qaeda to fight for you to bring about regime change.
Americans are obsessed with keeping U.S troop deaths down. They have to think of new ways to further their interests.

Brown Bomber

HansHolzel wrote: »

This is Israel, the US and the EU v Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. Obama is an asshole, just not as bad as Bush. That is why so many millions of Americans vote Democrat. To keep the outright fascists out.

Obama is arguably more dangerous though due to the reduced resistance he gets from the media and the public to his assaults on human rights and civil liberties as well as his warmongering.

For example, how many hypocrites criticised Bush's wars but support Obama dropping bombs on Libya?

These same "progressives" would've been foaming if Bush was killing women and children in countries the US isn't even at war with with drones. The would have been marching in the streets if Bush drew up his own personal kill-lists and had targeted and killed US citizens in extra-judicial assasinations. They would have been burning effigies of Bush and Cheney if they had given themselves the power to have US citizens indefinitely detained without trial. YET these very same people defend these policies if they are sanctioned by the Messiah.

Norwesterner

I think the difference between Obama and Bush is the same as Mandela and Mugabe.
Both have similar histories and used similar tactics and methods.
But one is good at handling the media and the other doesn't.

cyberhog

Dozens of Australians that have joined the ranks of al-Nusra could be classed as terrorists when they return home.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/syria-war-veterans-face-label-of-terror/story-fn59niix-1226671656684

Tip: If you want to read the whole article copy the title in google,click search and then click on the link that comes up.

ThreeBlindMice

Norwesterner wrote: »

I think the jury is still out on whether he's not as bad as Bush.
He just pushes the same policies, but in a slicker style.

The difference between Bush and Obama is the amount of lies that come out with the latter.

cyberhog

Rebels execute Catholic priest in northern Syria

A Syrian Catholic priest has been publicly executed by rebels at a monastery in the northern Syria, the Vatican says.

Father Francois Murad, 49, was beheaded on 23 June when militants attacked the convent where he was staying.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23138679


As usual, no "red lines" for the rebels no matter what atrocities they commit. You won't even hear Obama and his cohorts condemn this heinous and cowardly attack on an innocent Catholic priest.

We should be under no illusion that the rebels include thousands of those head hacking psychopaths and it is extremely naive to think they won't get their hands on any weapons that arrive in Syria from the West. Obama's desire to keep arming the rebels is not going help protect civilians from the fanatical jihadists. It will just lead to more more acts of brutality, torture, rape and murder.

gurramok

cyberhog wrote: »

Rebels execute Catholic priest in northern Syria

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23138679

As usual, no "red lines" for the rebels no matter what atrocities they commit. You won't even hear Obama and his cohorts condemn this heinous and cowardly attack on an innocent Catholic priest.

We should be under no illusion that the rebels include thousands of those head hacking psychopaths and it is extremely naive to think they won't get their hands on any weapons that arrive in Syria from the West. Obama's desire to keep arming the rebels is not going help protect civilians from the fanatical jihadists. It will just lead to more more acts of brutality, torture, rape and murder.

You left out the last bit in the article

The Custody of the Holy Land, a Franciscan order which is the official custodian of religious sites in the Middle East, had also issued a statement two days after Fr Murad's death saying Islamists shot him.

"Islamists attacked the monastery, ransacking it and destroying everything," it said. "When Father Francois tried to resist, defending the nuns, rebels shot him.

That's Islamist rebels not the FSA. They have killed Muslim clerics too. The Indo claimed the priest was killed because he was an ally of the regime rather than being killed because he was a priest. As ever, information is hard to find the truth as Assad bans outside journo's from reporting the truth in Syria.http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/vatican-confirms-horror-beheading-of-catholic-priest-by-syrian-rebels-29387571.html

Oh, i'd say Obama is disgusted by this act just like the aerial bombardment of women and kids by Assad's planes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23142382

Also on Monday, Gulf Arab states called for an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council to prevent what they said was the threat of a massacre in the city of Homs.

They said they were particularly worried about reports of members from the Lebanese Shia Islamist movement, Hezbollah, once again fighting alongside government forces, who launched a major new offensive on rebels in Homs on Saturday.

Sierra Oscar

The BBC have another revelation about rebel forces, mainly focusing on the spread of Sharia law in rebel held areas. This once relatively secular state is now seemingly heading backwards.

The boy killed for an off-hand remark about God - Sharia spreads in Syria

The murder of a boy accused of blasphemy has come to symbolise concerns about the power of Islamist radicals in Syria's armed uprising. Paul Wood reports from Aleppo on how Sharia is spreading in rebel-held areas.

Public opinion is rapidly turning against these rebel loons.

ThreeBlindMice

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The BBC have another revelation about rebel forces, mainly focusing on the spread of Sharia law in rebel held areas. This once relatively secular state is now seemingly heading backwards.

The boy killed for an off-hand remark about God - Sharia spreads in Syria



Public opinion is rapidly turning against these rebel loons.

Speaking of, they are also imposing strict Sharia dress code Fatwa's on women that would normally be used to being liberal.

http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-fatwa-women-523/

cyberhog

gurramok wrote: »

That's Islamist rebels not the FSA.

There is so little distance between the two that I would call that a meaningless distinction. There is no evidence of a unified opposition in Syria. The FSA is nothing more than a label that was created to try and give the anti-government fighters some legitimacy in the eyes of the West. The so-called "moderate" rebels have said on numerous occassions that they fight side by side with Al Nusra and see nothing wrong with their methods. The "moderate" rebels even criticised the US for designating Al Nusra a terrorist organisation.

Of course Obama and his cohorts are so obsessed with regime change that they have turned a blind eye to the cosy relationship between the "moderates" and the terrorists. And even though most of the EU and the rest of the world do not support arming the rebels, it seems nothing is going to deter Obama from taking the worst possible course of action.

Tony EH

gurramok wrote: »

Oh, i'd say Obama is disgusted by this act just like the aerial bombardment of women and kids by Assad's planes.

Considering the amount of women and children that US planes have killed over the years, he might think twice about mentioning it.

AlekSmart

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The BBC have another revelation about rebel forces, mainly focusing on the spread of Sharia law in rebel held areas. This once relatively secular state is now seemingly heading backwards.

The boy killed for an off-hand remark about God - Sharia spreads in Syria



Public opinion is rapidly turning against these rebel loons.

Oddly enough,I'm sensing a moderating of attitude amongst the "Ordinary decent Muslims" in places such as Egypt and the UK.

Even the revelation that some Syrian Towns were "defecting" back to Al Assad is worthy of note.

Human nature eventually weeds out the abberant bits and is none too gentle about exorcising them either.

There's only so much misery and oppression that endlessly reciting Allah ua Akhbar will excuse...:(

Jimmy Garlic

HansHolzel wrote: »

This is Israel, the US and the EU v Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. Obama is an asshole, just not as bad as Bush. That is why so many millions of Americans vote Democrat. To keep the outright fascists out.

Obama is worse than Bush, with his left cover he can get away with a lot more than bush ever could have. The difference between Republican and Democrat is negligible. The power structure that is above both stays the same regardless.

cyberhog

Syria's Assad says opponents 'used up all tools' to oust regime

Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview published Thursday that his government had fended off everything his enemies had thrown at him and that the only remaining threat to his rule was a far-off — and improbable — foreign intervention.

In comments to the state-run Al-Thawra newspaper, Assad rejected the idea that what has transpired in Syria for more than two years is a revolution. Instead, he reiterated his past claims that it is a conspiracy by Western and some Arab states to destabilize his country.

Throughout the crisis, Assad has insisted that his government is not facing a popular rebellion, but rather a Western-backed conspiracy against Syria, accusing the rebels fighting to topple his regime of being terrorists, Islamic extremists and mercenaries of the oil-rich Arab Gulf states that are allies of the United States.

"The countries that conspire against Syria have used up all their tools — moral, material and psychological — and they have nothing left except direct (military) intervention and this is too big for them to attain," Assad said in the interview.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/04/syria-assad-.html

It should be obvious to most readers by now that the rebels don't have what it takes to topple Assad. The only way forward is for all foreign powers to stop arming the conflict and focus solely on achieving a political solution.

HansHolzel

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Obama is worse than Bush, with his left cover he can get away with a lot more than bush ever could have. The difference between Republican and Democrat is negligible. The power structure that is above both stays the same regardless.

The power structure may be the same but the number of invasions has dropped.

gurramok

cyberhog wrote: »

Syria's Assad says opponents 'used up all tools' to oust regime

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/04/syria-assad-.html

It should be obvious to most readers by now that the rebels don't have what it takes to topple Assad. The only way forward is for all foreign powers to stop arming the conflict and focus solely on achieving a political solution.

The conflict has transformed into what Assad wanted, a largely sectarian conflict based on fear in order for him to stay in power at all costs.

It's a bit late to call for foreign powers to stop arming all sides, most arms in the conflict have flowed to Assad from Russia, Iran and Hezbollah hence they have the upper hand. All the opposition have had in the last year or so is foreign Islamist nutjobs flowing in to fill the "lack of armed defence" vacuum in the opposition ranks.

cyberhog

Syrian activists have become disenchanted with democracy after Morsi's fall.

...pro-democracy Syrian activists say Morsi's fall has undermined their faith in Western and Gulf-Arab backed movements against autocratic leaders such as Assad and Morsi's predecessor Hosni Mubarak, who ruled Egypt for 30 years.

"Apparently armies in 'democracies' can topple presidents elected by the majority? This is a bad sign for revolutions," said Tareq, an Aleppo-based activist, speaking by Skype.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/syria-rebels-say-egypt-coup-shows-why-democracy-doesnt-work-936247.html

cyberhog

US vetted rebels are allying themselves with al Qaeda affiliates in northern Syria.

By Bill Roggio July 26, 2013

Buried in this Washington Post article on the recent fighting between a PKK faction on one side, and al Qaeda's affiliates in Syria -- the Al Nusrah Front and the Islamic State of Iraq -- on the other, is confirmation that other groups are allied with al Qaeda in the fighting in northern Syria.

Three groups, identified as the Ahrar al Sham (a known Syrian Islamist group that is sympathetic to al Qaeda and has fought alongside them in the past), the Ahfad al Rasoul Brigade, and the Islamic Kurdish Front, banded together and announced they would fight together with the Al Nusrah Front against the Kurdish group in northern Syria.

...the leader of the Ahfad al Rasoul Brigade is on the US-backed Arms Committee for the Free Syrian Army-dominated Supreme Military Command. This is the same group that the US government will be arming and funding.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2013/07/qatar-funded_syrian_rebel_brig.php

Suff

Us admits insurgents on $150 dollar payroll per month, This is why we call them Mercenaries.

In an address to the Aspen Security Forum on 19th July, Barton, responsible for State Department stabilisation operations, did not say how many Syrian police deserters were on the U.S. payroll. He said the officers were receiving about $150 per month, a significant salary in Syria today after the inflation of the Syrian pound, which is the same amount Al Qaeda invaders from Europe said were getting paid.

Full story

Norwesterner

gurramok wrote: »

The conflict has transformed into what Assad wanted, a largely sectarian conflict based on fear in order for him to stay in power at all costs.

It's a bit late to call for foreign powers to stop arming all sides, most arms in the conflict have flowed to Assad from Russia, Iran and Hezbollah hence they have the upper hand. All the opposition have had in the last year or so is foreign Islamist nutjobs flowing in to fill the "lack of armed defence" vacuum in the opposition ranks.

Why on Earth would Assad, who's in a mixed marriage with a Sunni and shares power with a Sunni Vice President and Sunni Prime Minister be interested in a sectarian conflict?
The FSA lost the hearts and minds of the Syrian people, and Assad is on 70% popularity.
Double the popularity ratings of those Presidents in the West calling for his removal.

leo2a6

Jonny7 wrote: »

I just want to remind that when all this started, people were protesting in the streets against the leadership.

To be more precise, kids from Daraa tried to copy what they saw on tv about tunisian and libyan uprisings, wrote on walls : jak dor ya doktor, which means its ur turn doctor ( speakin about Bashar).
They got arrested, tortured and killed. One of them (Hamza Khatib) got emasculated, there was as well cigarette burns on his body.
The families revolted, army fired, some soldiers refused and got killed.
Brave officers decided to create the FSA to end the Assads 40 years rule.