Irish 'Faceism'

dd972

Going to get stick from some quarters for this post, (it is AH ) but nevermind what's the worst that could happen?

There is, to me anyway, a certain phenomenon among Irish people about prejudging people because of the way they look facially, someone who looks more quintessentially Irish than usual, let's call it for arguments sake 'the Wayne Rooney look' attracts a certain ire and disdain, as regards negative comments about being a 'knacker', etc, etc. The person in question may be a multi lingual graduate, but they're doomed and prejudged from the outset.This has always struck me as an indictment of the self-hating aspect in Irish people.

And there's another particular type of Irish look, let's call it 'the Ryan Tubridy or Brian O'Driscoll look', there's a certain clarity and symmetry to the features and the nose, jawbone and cheekbones are all distinct, the sort of face Fine Gael politicos like Lucinda Creighton have, this sort of face opens doors for you wherever you go in Ireland, there's some sort of subconscious deference to those who have it, it's deemed to be a 'middle class face' or less Celtic and more Anglo-Norman and indicative of some sort of higher intellect or social status.

Schnitzel Muncher

What sort of face do you have, OP?

dd972

Schnitzel Muncher wrote: »

What sort of face do you have, OP?

It's the first type, ie; quintessentially 'Celtic Irish'

Kenny Logins

Is Ryan Tubridy symmetrical? I'm not sure he is.

Iwasfrozen

Schnitzel Muncher wrote: »

What sort of face do you have, OP?

What do you think? He looks like Wayne Rooney. Poor guy.

Andersonisgod

Opened the thread expecting something about extreme right wing groups in Ireland.

Now I'm just extremely disappointed.


Face wise, I look somewhat Mediterranean (probably because I am) so an odd time I will here someone question if I can speak English. I can.

Rayne Wooney

I disagree.

Birneybau

Brian O' Driscoll looks like he has a touch of Downs to be honest

Richard Hillman

dd972 wrote: »

Going to get stick from some quarters for this post, (it is AH ) but nevermind what's the worst that could happen?

There is, to me anyway, a certain phenomenon among Irish people about prejudging people because of the way they look facially, someone who looks more quintessentially Irish than usual, let's call it for arguments sake 'the Wayne Rooney look' attracts a certain ire and disdain, as regards negative comments about being a 'knacker', etc, etc. The person in question may be a multi lingual graduate, but they're doomed and prejudged from the outset.This has always struck me as an indictment of the self-hating aspect in Irish people.

And there's another particular type of Irish look, let's call it 'the Ryan Tubridy or Brian O'Driscoll look', there's a certain clarity and symmetry to the features and the nose, jawbone and cheekbones are all distinct, the sort of face Fine Gael politicos like Lucinda Creighton have, this sort of face opens doors for you wherever you go in Ireland, there's some sort of subconscious deference to those who have it, it's deemed to be a 'middle class face' or less Celtic and more Anglo-Norman and indicative of some sort of higher intellect or social status.

So basically you are saying poor people have a celtic look whilst normal and better off people look "anglo-norman"

kfk

Cant stand Ryan Tubridys face! What a waste of molecules!

Schnitzel Muncher

Where does Joe Duffy fit into this theory?

Mardy Bum

It's all in the genes. Very little anybody can do apart from surgery and a healthy diet. From an evolutionary perspective a sign of good health and therefore more chance of increasing genealogy was facial symmetry so we are "built" to favour this.

Dr Turk Turkelton

This thread needs Facekicker back on boards.
He would know what to do to your face op.

Yamanoto

Birneybau wrote: »

Brian O' Driscoll looks like he has a touch of Downs to be honest

Nice

More David Davin-Power circa 1986 imo

Richard Hillman

Schnitzel Muncher wrote: »

Where does Joe Duffy fit into this theory?

Joe is a man of the people, the little man on the street, the oppressed majority. He defo has the celtic look

Schnitzel Muncher

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Joe is a man of the people, the little man on the street, the oppressed majority. He defo has the celtic look

And Craig Doyle?

Richard Hillman

Schnitzel Muncher wrote: »

And Craig Doyle?

Craig Doyle is not a man of the people because of his constant harassment of the man on the street to purchase UPC materials

Tom_Cruise

I can say with full confidence that i am definitely the ugliest person on this site.

Schnitzel Muncher

I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.

buyer95

On scale of 1 to Adolf Hitler, Rooney is about a 9, I would say.

Schnitzel Muncher

buyer95 wrote: »

On scale of 1 to Adolf Hitler, Rooney is about a 9, I would say.

With Shrek a 7?

buyer95

Schnitzel Muncher wrote: »

With Shrek a 7?

Seemw about right to me.

LETHAL LADY

Is it a phenomenon? You need to steer clear of shallow judgemental backstards OP.

Cody Pomeray

dd972 wrote: »

Going to get stick from some quarters for this post, (it is AH ) but nevermind what's the worst that could happen?

There is, to me anyway, a certain phenomenon among Irish people about prejudging people because of the way they look facially, someone who looks more quintessentially Irish than usual, let's call it for arguments sake 'the Wayne Rooney look' attracts a certain ire and disdain, as regards negative comments about being a 'knacker', etc, etc. The person in question may be a multi lingual graduate, but they're doomed and prejudged from the outset.This has always struck me as an indictment of the self-hating aspect in Irish people.

And there's another particular type of Irish look, let's call it 'the Ryan Tubridy or Brian O'Driscoll look', there's a certain clarity and symmetry to the features and the nose, jawbone and cheekbones are all distinct, the sort of face Fine Gael politicos like Lucinda Creighton have, this sort of face opens doors for you wherever you go in Ireland, there's some sort of subconscious deference to those who have it, it's deemed to be a 'middle class face' or less Celtic and more Anglo-Norman and indicative of some sort of higher intellect or social status.

In terms of facial expression, it's often down to dentistry.

You'd be amazed the effect that braces can have on facial symmetry.

The Irish health service being what they are, braces and good dental care are unaffordable for a lot of low income earners. This can be 'written all over their face', so to speak.

As for other facial features, there is a stereotype in place that middle class young men wear their hair up to medium-long, while lower income young men shave their hair quite short.

But you must realize that Ireland is too small a gene pool, and too genetically cohesive for there to be any genetic difference between lower and middle income earners.

Gee_G

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

I can say with full confidence that i am definitely the ugliest person on this site.

I'd rate Tom Cruise higher than Wayne Rooney or Ryan Tubridy!:)

charlemont

He has a point.

JupiterKid

I agree with facial symmetry playing a role in sexual selection as good symmetry indicates good health and therefore better genetic chances but I don't put much truck into the so-called "Celtic" or "Anglo-Norman" or "foreign" face idea.

Every time I arrive at T2 in Dublin Airport and look at the faces of famous Irish people one thing I notice is how heterogenous they are - there is no stereotypical Irish "look" apart from maybe pale skin and freckles IMO. In my own family, my two sisters and myself look quite different (no, we are not all adopted:pac:) with different face and nose shapes.

IMO jaw and nose size extremes are the strongest determinants for whether a face is attractive, average or ugly. Facial ugliness is all about features being out of balance.

PS: BOD and Ryan Tubridy have very, very different face types. I think the OP is reading into something which is not really there.

PPS: There's hope for you yet OP - a gay porn star from Cuba called Eduardo has a face like Wayne's but that hasn't stopped his career "expanding" over the years...

Ruu

I have more of a round football head like that handsome devil Marty Morrissey.

seven_eleven

Ever notice how there are different groups of people with similar facial people. You always see it, there are many types of it but there are people who are display similar facial features amongst society, then there are unique.

Its the same in every country, and I always wondered if there's a name to it.

hardCopy

Drico and Tubridy are neither similar looking or symmetrical

newmug

OP, you are so far off the mark with this theory, its not even funny. Success in life has absolutely nothing to do with opening doors with your face.

.jacksparrow.

Go to blackrock college then go to a school in a rough area, you will notice a huge difference in appearance, skin, hair, physique etc, maybe its because of diet or a less stress free life, but its very noticeable.

Cody Pomeray

oh yeah?

lets see about that.

two examples of old rockmen: tubs and drico

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2wf1w2a.jpg

endacl

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Is Ryan Tubridy symmetrical? I'm not sure he is.

Only when viewed from above.

Galwayguy35

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Go to blackrock college then go to a school in a rough area, you will notice a huge difference in appearance, skin, hair, physique etc, maybe its because of diet or a less stress free life, but its very noticeable.

Disagree a bit with you there, just because mammy and daddy might be rich, it doesn't gaurantee that their kids won't be ugly, also anyone can go to the local gym or even buy weights and build themselves up.

frozenfrozen

Not inbred = better looking, simple as that really...

DaireQuinlan

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Opened the thread expecting something about extreme right wing groups in Ireland.

Dyslexic extreme right wing groups.

Peregrine

Yamanoto wrote: »

Nice

More David Davin-Power circa 1986 imo

He looked like he could have been in the Ron Burgundy movie

miss_flamingo

Why would you pre-judge someone by their face?? I don't think I ever heard anything so stupid!

Lucky so we're applying for jobs with written CVs before anyone sees our faces

dd972

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Go to blackrock college then go to a school in a rough area, you will notice a huge difference in appearance, skin, hair, physique etc, maybe its because of diet or a less stress free life, but its very noticeable.

Good point, they all seem to be taller as well, there's 15 year olds there who look about 23, not that I'd want to spend too much time hanging around outside a school

dd972

dd972 wrote: »

It's the first type, ie; quintessentially 'Celtic Irish'

So you're saying you think you're prejudged as being a scumbag because of your quintessentially 'Celtic Irish' look?

Have you considered that maybe you should accept your scumbag fate? I hear that walking around with your hand comfortably down your trackies feels great. I'd try it myself but I'm the spits of Ryan Tubridy.

miss_flamingo

miss_flamingo wrote: »

Why would you pre-judge someone by their face?? I don't think I ever heard anything so stupid!

Lucky so we're applying for jobs with written CVs before anyone sees our faces

They have to attach photos with CVs in other places

crockholm

TBH, I think that there is an Achill Island "type",there does seem to be an abundance of dark haired, McDonalds eyebrowed,pointey nosed and beady-eyed folk up there. Met quite a few of them andthought they might be brothers or close cousins,alas,no.

St.Spodo

I think everyone is initially judged by how they look. I don't suppose it's something that you can't overcome. Also, I don't really see what Tubridy and O'Driscoll have to do with anything. Their status affords them the esteem they are probably given; doubt it's much to do with their faces at all.

JD DABA

Dubes, chinos and a purple 'ralph loren polo' top.
A volvo and a copy of the sindo.

My brain says type this. im too lazy to ask it why.

Legs.Eleven

It could hardly be said that doors haven't been opened for Wayne Rooney.

RADIUS

Phrenologists would have loved this thread.

The typical freckled scanger head which can be seen roaming around Ballymun at 1 am looking for someone to stab for a smoke, or cycling a stolen bicycle on the footpath in a perpetual 'wheely'.

These people, if you could call them that, tend to look like that due to their parents drinking heavily while they were in the womb. That and poor nutrition. Hence why they all have the same scaldy faces. (And oddly enough, the same personality, or lack there of).

Another example of people with the same face due to chemical abuse would be the inner city junkies, the ones with heroine faces and again, strangely, identical personalities.

I personally think the above mentioned people are products of the the most ignored social problem this country has.

The_Gatsby

Yamanoto wrote: »

Nice

More David Davin-Power circa 1986 imo

Is that Ron Swanson on the left?

flutterflye

What? I honestly don't understand what you're talking about at all. Is it just the face? What if there's an asymmetrical face but with nice hair and nice clothes, and exudes confidence/charisma etc...?
I don't think I've ever noticed anyone being treated as an inferior in society purely down to their face. Like who's really ugly? Steve Tyler, or Thom York - They are treated as gods. Very good looking people tend to receive more positive attention from opposite sex alright, but people in the middle sy the 3/10's to the 8/10's - I have never noticed a difference in general judgement and treatment.

Cody Pomeray

RADIUS wrote: »

Phrenologists would have loved this thread.

The typical freckled scanger head which can be seen roaming around Ballymun at 1 am looking for someone to stab for a smoke, or cycling a stolen bicycle on the footpath in a perpetual 'wheely'.

These people, if you could call them that, tend to look like that due to their parents drinking heavily while they were in the womb. That and poor nutrition. Hence why they all have the same scaldy faces. (And oddly enough, the same personality, or lack there of).

Another example of people with the same face due to chemical abuse would be the inner city junkies, the ones with heroine faces and again, strangely, identical personalities.

I personally think the above mentioned people are products of the the most ignored social problem this country has.

...ugliness?

iguana

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

...ugliness?

No he's talking about the facial disfiguerment caused by feotal alcohol syndrome. If a pregnant woman drinks a lot of alcohol there is a pretty good chance that it will show on the features of the child. The typical look that people tend to associate with 'skangers' is that of adults with FAS, along with tight hair cuts on men and often but not always poorly cared for teeth.