Concern Nothing but Money Whores

Cork24

for the past few months i am getting Letters in the Door from Concern asking me to give just a little More to help the African Kids..

to make me laugh the last Letter i got had a "Copy of a Email" that one person working in Africa emailed into head office stating their fighting a Losing battle and to ask people of Ireland to give more to help the kids..

:rolleyes:.. ok fair enough we could be doing a little more but with 2009 Concern raised €122m, their FAT cats are on €90,000 a year !! with their CEO taken in €140m a year.

and then they have the Balls to keep sending me Letters asking to give a little more,,

What next send me a picture of their FAT cats Losing Weight as they never got their 90k salary

Enable Ireland are just as Bad

20Cent

Cork24 wrote: »

for the past few months i am getting Letters in the Door from Concern asking me to give just a little More to help the African Kids..

to make me laugh the last Letter i got had a "Copy of a Email" that one person working in Africa emailed into head office stating their fighting a Losing battle and to ask people of Ireland to give more to help the kids..

:rolleyes:.. ok fair enough we could be doing a little more but with 2009 Concern raised €122m, their FAT cats are on €90,000 a year !! with their CEO taken in €140m a year.

and then they have the Balls to keep sending me Letters asking to give a little more,,

What next send me a picture of their FAT cats Losing Weight as they never got their 90k salary

Enable Ireland are just as Bad

Ceo taken in 140m per year!
Surely some mistake.

kryogen

How would I apply for the job of CEO?

misses with rifles

their are definitely better ways to help africa look for charities that build infrastructure and help them sustain themselves
i know food aid is vital at times
as for ceos of chartitys getting silly money that stops me giving to them rather see the money spent directly on those who need it

The Aussie

Well I'm glad they are Concerned, because I'm not....

FairytaleGirl

I know, not to mention all the money the spend on those ads that ruin my dinner!

Just screw the ads and feed the goddam waines, then everybody eats!

Cork24

Irish Hospice foundation has the highest CEO earner per Charity income @ a rate of 24 euros to every 1000 euro


IRISH HOSPICE FOUNDATION
Supports the development of hospice and palliative care.
Chief executive: Sharon Foley (appointed May 2011)
Salary 2010: €101,350 (linked to civil service principal officer grade).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010: €3,091.29 (vouched).
Expenses 2011: €1,134.16 to end of August (vouched).
Bonus payments: €17,800 in 2010. Paid only if certain pre-established targets are reached.
Pension entitlements: Chief executive makes own contribution plus 10% contribution by charity.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €5.35m.
Amount paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €24.19.



CONCERN
International humanitarian agency
Chief executive: Tom Arnold
Salary 2010: €130,000 (based on assistant secretary grade in the public service).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010/ 2011: Vouched. No figures supplied. It is Concern policy to fly economy class and use public transport where available.
Bonus payments: None.
Pension entitlements: The chief executive is on secondment from the Department of Agriculture where he was assistant secretary general.
Concern maintains his pension rights under that scheme.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €167m.
No of euro paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €0.78.

20Cent

If they just hired job bridge management and ceo, didn't spend anything on advertising then they wouldn't be bringing in as much. Someone would probably start a thread about it.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Africa is a black hole for money and it will be a cold day in hell before i ever send anything to that part of the world.

micosoft

Cork24 wrote: »

:rolleyes:.. ok fair enough we could be doing a little more but with 2009 Concern raised €122m, their FAT cats are on €90,000 a year !! with their CEO taken in €140m a year.

Enable Ireland are just as Bad

OK - let's say it's 140k. What do you think is an appropriate salary for someone who has over 2000 staff in many (dangerous) countries around the world and a budget of 122m which if misspent will literally mean people die? What do you think they should get paid?

He brings in an charity income of 124m on a salary of 130k.

The irish hospice CE brings in a charity income of 5m on a salary of 120k.

You get what you pay for and the concern CE is worth his wage based on the info in Cork24's post.

Cork24

micosoft wrote: »

OK - let's say it's 140k. What do you think is an appropriate salary for someone who has over 2000 staff in many (dangerous) countries around the world and a budget of 122m which if misspent will literally mean people die? What do you think they should get paid?

It's Called a Charity my man, Look @ i - to - i Volunteer you have to pay them to allow you to Travel abroad to volunteer.

Africa is just a big money pit the more you throw at it the deeper the hole gets.. I would give the CEO nothing more then 60k a year,

in fact 60k a year for a Charity is a bit much. If it was not for us people giving them Money which is what we think goes to feed and help the people he wouldn't have his 140k Salary.

Cork24

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

He brings in an charity income of 124m on a salary of 130k.

The irish hospice CE brings in a charity income of 5m on a salary of 120k.

You get what you pay for and the concern CE is worth his wage based on the info in Cork24's post.

How does he bring in 130k,

does he go out in the Streets ? does knock door to door for peoples money, No he sits in his Office doing god know what. So your Telling me that give the hospice CEO 130 k and he will bring in 124m ? NO Concern is just bigger Irish Hospice is based in Ireland where Concern has Offices in England and the US. and god only know what they pay their CEO over their

crackcrack30

Why is it that charity work to some means donating your time free of charge........but to others its a triple income......

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Ceo taken in 140m per year!
Surely some mistake.

We're all being taken in

woodoo

They should put half the money towards contraception. The population growth in Africa is not sustainable. http://www.visualizing.org/visualizations/population-growth-africa-1950-2100

Mully_2011

I've always felt that giving money to the Africans was a lot like giving the dole to someone who has no intention of working

Cork24

woodoo wrote: »

They should put half the money towards contraception. The population growth in Africa is not sustainable. http://www.visualizing.org/visualizations/population-growth-africa-1950-2100

Many people would have 3 to 4 kids so they could get work when they get older and bring in a 3 to 4 income to the family.. so Africa is like Ireland back in the 50- 80's family's having at lest 5 kids

hfallada

I can't understand why these charities spend money on food and shelter etc. rather than giving the women an education in birth control to stop the huge population growth. Take Iran which realised in the 1950s for economic growth you need to control birth rates and it worked. It also worked in china with the one child policy.

But yet in Uganda women are still having 6/7 children and unlike 30 years ago all their children survive. How is this sustainable? It isnt

NegativeCreep

If I was a girl I'd defo be a whore for money.

Cork24

what would be your Going Rate ?

NegativeCreep

Cork24 wrote: »

what would be your Going Rate ?

Cheap. Real goddamn cheap.

1ZRed

I think people are afraid to say it but sending money to Africa is akin to throwing it in the fire.

After how many decades of billions and billions going out to them has there been any progress made? Nope.

With the amount they got they should be far better now but the money finds it's way into the pockets of the wrong people far more often then not. I wouldn't ever bother giving any money to concern or any charity that deals with Africans.

I'd rather head out and volunteer to build houses and wells and actually see the good I was doing, and knowing it was doing some good, instead of blindly pumping my money out to them hoping it'll do some good.

woodoo

hfallada wrote: »

But yet in Uganda women are still having 6/7 children and unlike 30 years ago all their children survive. How is this sustainable? It isnt

And then we are asked to help feed them. BTW is the catholic church still against contraception in africa?

suicide_circus

Cork24 wrote: »

Many people would have 3 to 4 kids so they could get work when they get older and bring in a 3 to 4 income to the family.. so Africa is like Ireland back in the 50- 80's family's having at lest 5 kids

having 3 -4 kids per family when you're a small island is quaint, having 3-4 kids per family when you're a continent of a billion people is a time bomb.

Phoebas

1ZRed wrote: »

After how many decades of billions and billions going out to them has there been any progress made? Nope.

There has been plenty of progress in Africa.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21572773-pride-africas-achievements-should-be-coupled-determination-make-even-faster

suicide_circus

woodoo wrote: »

And then we are asked to help feed them. BTW is the catholic church still against contraception in africa?

on that point, since less than 20% of Africa is catholic, its not all down to the evil church that people dont use condoms. it is largely down to lack of education and the fact that it is seen as unmanly etc

dirtyden

1ZRed wrote: »

I think people are afraid to say it but sending money to Africa is akin to throwing it in the fire.

After how many decades of billions and billions going out to them has there been any progress made? Nope.

With the amount they got they should be far better now but the money finds it's way into the pockets of the wrong people far more often then not. I wouldn't ever bother giving any money to concern or any charity that deals with Africans.

I'd rather head out and volunteer to build houses and wells and actually see the good I was doing, and knowing it was doing some good, instead of blindly pumping my money out to them hoping it'll do some good.

People keep saying this, but never back it up. Africa's problems are in many cases base upon the pillage of these countries by europe and institutionalised poverty which fed the colonial system. Many of the countries which have had serious problems are very new states, and every new state has had problems. But there are success stories where aid but more so investment has made real differences. Places like Rwanda and tanzania.

Some of the aid in many cases goes to feed and house refugees. Id not call that throwing it in the fire. There have been cases of money getting in the wrong hands but i mean in ireland we have handed over billons out of our pension fund to german bankers. In Britain they have closed down mines but yet invest many billions on subnarines that they dont need. I could go on. Governments everywhere are C**ts. People in most places are alright and deserve help if they need it.

To maximise yield ina charity you sometimes need to pay specialists to run it. My main issue is that a lot of the people running irish charities are not exactly experts but political appointees.

homemadecider

Phoebas wrote: »

There has been plenty of progress in Africa.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21572773-pride-africas-achievements-should-be-coupled-determination-make-even-faster

There's also been lots of progress against the indicators set out in the Millennium Development Goals.

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/pdf/2012_Progress_E.pdf

Cork24

I Argee with one of the above,

I would like to go over their and build houses wells. Schools etc and see the work being done..

galwayrush

I gave a fiver to a drunk homeless dude in Galway yesterday, I know where 100% of that charity donation will go.

crackcrack30

crackcrack30 wrote: »

Why is it that charity work to some means donating your time free of charge........but to others its a triple income......

The CEOs of charitys are not volunteers. They would have applied for a job as CEO of a company. As far as they are concerned they are running a business and of course should be well remunerated for it.

If you want someone with the necessary expertise and experience to work in these types of jobs they have to be well paid otherwise you will not have good people and the charity's will suffer for it.

homemadecider

I don't think it's as simple as 'go over there and build schools'. Let's say a school is built in a rural community, for example. You now have a decent building with blackboards and tables and chairs. Who will teach the children? No one in that community is qualified. How do you convince qualified teachers to move to the sticks and teach in your new school? Who pays their salaries? Where do teaching resources come from? Do you train local people to become teachers - if so, how do you stop them leaving for bigger and brighter things once they are trained?

Just trying to show that things are a lot more complicated than 'sure just go and build schools'.

squod

Dear African People.

My children are born into debt. The government are making them pay €120,000 to the governments friends for the lulz. Some b*stards huh? Please send me some of your assault rifles so we can have a clean slate for our kids.

Thank you.

dh0011

Cork24 wrote: »

Irish Hospice foundation has the highest CEO earner per Charity income @ a rate of 24 euros to every 1000 euro


IRISH HOSPICE FOUNDATION
Supports the development of hospice and palliative care.
Chief executive: Sharon Foley (appointed May 2011)
Salary 2010: €101,350 (linked to civil service principal officer grade).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010: €3,091.29 (vouched).
Expenses 2011: €1,134.16 to end of August (vouched).
Bonus payments: €17,800 in 2010. Paid only if certain pre-established targets are reached.
Pension entitlements: Chief executive makes own contribution plus 10% contribution by charity.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €5.35m.
Amount paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €24.19.



CONCERN
International humanitarian agency
Chief executive: Tom Arnold
Salary 2010: €130,000 (based on assistant secretary grade in the public service).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010/ 2011: Vouched. No figures supplied. It is Concern policy to fly economy class and use public transport where available.
Bonus payments: None.
Pension entitlements: The chief executive is on secondment from the Department of Agriculture where he was assistant secretary general.
Concern maintains his pension rights under that scheme.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €167m.
No of euro paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €0.78.

your figures are out of date - the business post did an article recently about the worst offenders rehab ireland had 1 in 8 euros ir received going to the ceo.

dh0011

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Africa is a black hole for money and it will be a cold day in hell before i ever send anything to that part of the world.

when you say black hole do you mean because the people are black. if so that a bit harsh.

Phoebas

galwayrush wrote: »

I gave a fiver to a drunk homeless dude in Galway yesterday, I know where 100% of that charity donation will go.

6 cans of Dutch Gold.

Cody Pomeray

Cork24 wrote: »

Irish Hospice foundation has the highest CEO earner per Charity income @ a rate of 24 euros to every 1000 euro


IRISH HOSPICE FOUNDATION
Supports the development of hospice and palliative care.
Chief executive: Sharon Foley (appointed May 2011)
Salary 2010: €101,350 (linked to civil service principal officer grade).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010: €3,091.29 (vouched).
Expenses 2011: €1,134.16 to end of August (vouched).
Bonus payments: €17,800 in 2010. Paid only if certain pre-established targets are reached.
Pension entitlements: Chief executive makes own contribution plus 10% contribution by charity.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €5.35m.
Amount paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €24.19.

If the IHF are only raising €5.35m a year that's a major problem.

Say what you will about Concern, at least they're bringing in €167 million.

wtf is she at?

NuckingFacker

dh0011 wrote: »

when you say black hole do you mean because the people are black. if so that a bit harsh.

Noo, Black holes are in space, and everyone knows there are no rascists in space. Black holes are big voids of nothingness that suck in matter for no return. A bit like Anglo, or - and here's the "analogy" - some "charitable causes".



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Grand Moff Tarkin

dh0011 wrote: »

when you say black hole do you mean because the people are black. if so that a bit harsh.

The good Mr Facker answered that one for me.

Grayson

I have no idea how good the CEO of concern is at his job, so I can't comment directly on him. But generally to run an organisation that big, you have to have a certain amount of experience. And to draw the best candidates, the charities need to offer a competitive package. If they pay less, they'll get less from the CEO and that means the whole organisation suffers. Less money coming in and less money going out. And what money there is, is spent less efficiently.

Then again, I'm sure no matter how much they get paid, if it's anything more than minimum wage, people will be griping.

tfitzgerald

woodoo wrote: »

And then we are asked to help feed them. BTW is the catholic church still against contraception in africa?

This thread is about the CEO of charity's getting big money. But a few post in the Catholic Church starts gettin bashed. Ffs

1ZRed

Phoebas wrote: »

There has been plenty of progress in Africa.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21572773-pride-africas-achievements-should-be-coupled-determination-make-even-faster

I don't even want to think of the chaos that's going to come from Africa over the next few decades. Once they start developing and living longer once diseases like HIV is cured as others are treated, their population will absolutely explode and their demand for food, water, space and other resources will be massive -already when we are a population of 7 billion that consume 1.5 earths of reasources already, which is expected that we will be consuming 3 earths of resources in just 25 years. That's a crazy demand for resources that are finite. We are living far too unsustainably already!

I can't imagine the toll an explosive burst of population of this magnitude will have on the earth. Demand for energy and food will ravage the environment and we will all have to deal with the consequences of that. Rapidly developing countries are big contributors to our environmental problems because they love cheap, dirty energy. Who could blame them? They need so much that expensive alternatives are out of the question.

Call it an extremely unpopular opinion but if I had to choose them or the sake of the whole planet, I'd pick the planet without hesitation.
There are far too many of us at it is, the only difference is that our populations in developed countries are levelling out, even falling in some case and we are in a position to (admittedly slowly) implement more environmentally friendly energy alternatives.

Technoprisoner

i dont give to any charity's for this simple fact....most the ceo's are on rock star wages.

Grayson

And just to add, with concern at least, that guy is making decisions that affect lives. I mean, they are trying to save lives. How ever money is distributed, people will die. And it seems to be the opinion of some that it's ok to hire anyone at all to do the job of deciding the most effective way of spending that money. Fine, pop down the local fas office and hire someone to do it for next to nothing. More people will die.

Grayson

tfitzgerald wrote: »

This thread is about the CEO of charity's getting big money. But a few post in the Catholic Church starts gettin bashed. Ffs

Never any harm in reminding people that in a continent ravaged by aids, the catholic church is still telling people that condoms don't work.

Yamanoto

tfitzgerald wrote: »

This thread is about the CEO of charity's getting big money. But a few post in the Catholic Church starts gettin bashed. Ffs

By far the most effective instrument for breaking the hold of poverty on those in third-world nations is to provide women with the means to take control of their own reproductive cycle.

If charities such as Trocaire are asking for donations to alleviate poverty across the World, then woodoo's question would seem to me an entirely valid one.

Grayson

1ZRed wrote: »

I don't even want to think of the chaos that's going to come from Africa over the next few decades. Once they start developing and living longer once diseases like HIV is cured as others are treated, their population will absolutely explode and their demand for food, water, space and other resources will be massive -already when we are a population of 7 billion that consume 1.5 earths of reasources already, which is expected that we will be consuming 3 earths of resources in just 25 years. That's a crazy demand for resources that are finite. We are living far too unsustainably already!

I can't imagine the toll an explosive burst of population of this magnitude will have on the earth. Demand for energy and food will ravage the environment and we will all have to deal with the consequences of that. Rapidly developing countries are big contributors to our environmental problems because they love cheap, dirty energy. Who could blame them? They need so much that expensive alternatives are out of the question.

Call it an extremely unpopular opinion but if I had to choose them or the sake of the whole planet, I'd pick the planet without hesitation.
There are far too many of us at it is, the only difference is that our populations in developed countries are levelling out, even falling in some case and we are in a position to (admittedly slowly) implement more environmentally friendly energy alternatives.

they're not the problem. We are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/12/observer-editorial-carbon-dioxide-levels-high

But we've created a problem that's going to affect them. And millions will die because of it.

That's OK, go back to watching your "reality" shows and know that millions more will die just so you can keep doing it.

NuckingFacker

Grayson wrote: »

they're not the problem. We are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/12/observer-editorial-carbon-dioxide-levels-high

But we've created a problem that's going to affect them. And millions will die because of it.

That's OK, go back to watching your "reality" shows and know that millions more will die just so you can keep doing it.

You so nice. Call it "reparations" instead of "charity" if it makes your PC featers lie flatter. Personally, I don't feel I am the problem, just saying like.

1ZRed

Grayson wrote: »

they're not the problem. We are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/12/observer-editorial-carbon-dioxide-levels-high

But we've created a problem that's going to affect them. And millions will die because of it.

That's OK, go back to watching your "reality" shows and know that millions more will die just so you can keep doing it.

And then what's going to happen when you raise them up to our level? They're just going to add substantially more to our problem because their populations dwarf ours as it is! Look at India and how it's developing rapidly and burning massive amounts of fossil fuels.That's 1 billion right there, imagine how all of them living as we do will affect the planet.

Now I don't deny we are the ones to blame but look at how expensive the alternatives are for us to be greener, how will they ever manage?

And political slowness is a massive problem, that's why I just see things getting worse and worse because no one will bother their ass to do something quickly, so I can't see how a massive new population boom in Africa where they'll seek massive amounts of energy won't have an equally massive negative effect on our planet already. If anything it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back when our efforts to change just won't be enough to reverse the harm we're already doing and what those developing countries will continue to do for the foreseeable future.

XxMCRxBabyxX

suicide_circus wrote: »

on that point, since less than 20% of Africa is catholic, its not all down to the evil church that people dont use condoms. it is largely down to lack of education and the fact that it is seen as unmanly etc

Thank you. Someone actually educated on the matter.

I think the biggest problem with these charities is where the money goes. Quite often it doesn't get to those who need it because of the corrupt people in charge in these countries.

It would be a lot better to educate those who need it instead of just handing things out. If they could be taught how to use money, look after their sick before it's too late and alternative ways to feed themselves that would be much more helpful. It's not a cure-all but it can help.