Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Superthread 2013

nicklauski

To be fair with the Ramsay transfer. The club had only put up that the had reached an agreement on the transfer.
Came down to United and Arsenal.
Wenger met him at training ground.
Fergie sent out Gary Neville, if I remember correctly.

Mitch Connor

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

It really isn't! the media is very easy to distrust.

I do think the bid happened by the way.

It really is, at times.

The problem is people don't understand how football actually works half the time.

United are linked to loads of players - the reality is United WILL have links to loads of players. We will talking to and keeping an eye on LOADS of players at any given time. Loads of stories are simply 'United are interested in X and may bid in the summer'. It is, most likely, true - we will have a degree of interest.

People claiming United aren't or weren't in for Thiago, Lucas, Hazaard, Fabregas, Shearer, Salas, Senna, Strootman, Baines etc - simply on the basis United didn't confirm a bid or they didn't sign - are simply talking bollocks. United are/were in for every one of them at some point. Some we decided not to persue further, some rejected us.

United not confirming a bid doesn't mean there wasn't one. United not bidding doesn't mean there wasn't interest.

Mitch Connor

nicklauski wrote: »

To be fair with the Ramsay transfer. The club had only put up that the had reached an agreement on the transfer.
Came down to United and Arsenal.
Wenger met him at training ground.
Fergie sent out Gary Neville, if I remember correctly.

Arsenal flew him out to meet Wenger on holiday. United had Neville meet him at Carrington.

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yep - United well known for commenting publically on transfers.

United have bid for Fabregas - you can take that as a fact at this point.

The distrust people have of the media is absolutely laughable at times.

Never in for Thiago, never in for Strootman...

So you didn't for one second believe we were in for Thiago?


Because you are stating that you can't believe the level of distrust people have in the media, yet you then claim we were never in for Thiago. YET, every major newspaper claimed we were, and we were also on the brink of signing him.


Because the fact he has gone to Bayern, makes me distrust the media more.


So which is it?

Rubber_Soul

master-t wrote: »

Lads when will some of you learn. We can't keep getting excited about these 'links'.

Given that every single news outlet broke it at the same time and is citing a senior club source you can take it Utd leaked it themselves, so the bid is as good as fact.

Why Utd would leak it if it was a serious bid and not just PR puzzles me though.

Vic Vinegar

master-t wrote: »

So you didn't for one second believe we were in for Thiago?


Because you are stating that you can't believe the level of distrust people have in the media, yet you then claim we were never in for Thiago. YET, every major newspaper claimed we were, and we were also on the brink of signing him.


Because the fact he has gone to Bayern, makes me distrust the media more.


So which is it?

You totally got the wrong end of the stick there man.

Mitch Connor

master-t wrote: »

So you didn't for one second believe we were in for Thiago?


Because you are stating that you can't believe the level of distrust people have in the media, yet you then claim we were never in for Thiago. YET, every major newspaper claimed we were, and we were also on the brink of signing him.


Because the fact he has gone to Bayern, makes me distrust the media more.


So which is it?

Turn on your sarcasm detector.

I'm having a pop at the people who talk crap that we were never in for either player basically cause United never commented or confirmed a bid/interest.

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

It really is, at times.

The problem is people don't understand how football actually works half the time.

United are linked to loads of players - the reality is United WILL have links to loads of players. We will talking to and keeping an eye on LOADS of players at any given time. Loads of stories are simply 'United are interested in X and may bid in the summer'. It is, most likely, true - we will have a degree of interest.

People claiming United aren't or weren't in for Thiago, Lucas, Hazaard, Fabregas, Shearer, Salas, Senna, Strootman, Baines etc - simply on the basis United didn't confirm a bid or they didn't sign - are simply talking bollocks. United are/were in for every one of them at some point. Some we decided not to persue further, some rejected us.

United not confirming a bid doesn't mean there wasn't one. United not bidding doesn't mean there wasn't interest.

I completely agree with you! My point is that after the Thiago saga I will no longer trust any media outlets, as they all / most pump out absolute sh1te.

Timmyctc

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Turn on your sarcasm detector.

I'm having a pop at the people who talk crap that we were never in for either player basically cause United never commented or confirmed a bid/interest.

can't turn it on, it exploded

Rayne Wooney

Why would they sell a happy player for less than they bought him though?


That bid is a joke.

lordgoat

TheTownie wrote: »

Retweet and response from Chris Atkins;

The Garay deal must be going south too then.

Mitch Connor

master-t wrote: »

I completely agree with you! My point is that after the Thiago saga I will no longer trust any media outlets, as they all / most pump out absolute sh1te.

Why based on the thiago story?

We were in for, we discussed and agreed terms in principle for him - the deal was close to completion. Why it got fecked up I don't know, and once Bayern got seriously involved we were done - but I would say the majority of the Thiago reports were factually correct.

Mitch Connor

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Why would they sell a happy player for less than they bought him though?


That bid is a joke.

To remove the wages? Wages are the bigger financial concerns these days.

Fanny Biscuit

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Why would they sell a happy player for less than they bought him though?


That bid is a joke.

It's more about Manutd declaring their interest and seriousness of making a deal happen. If Barcelona confirm they're willing to sell then negotiations between the two would happen meaning the fee would probably be higher with clauses included?

lordgoat

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Why would they sell a happy player for less than they bought him though?


That bid is a joke.

And don't forget arsenal get a slice of the pie too.

Fully expect nothing to come of the cesc talk. Bids for 2 prem midfielders at the start of August. Felliani and cabaye and the line that these were our top targets.

In this case it really is anything is better than what we have. Beggars and choosers and all that.

Copper_pipe

#SSN have just said that it Cesc is "open" to a move back to England and that Barca want a little more.

RasTa

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Why based on the thiago story?

We were in for, we discussed and agreed terms in principle for him - the deal was close to completion. Why it got fecked up I don't know, and once Bayern got seriously involved we were done - but I would say the majority of the Thiago reports were factually correct.

Based on what? It took Bayern a week to sign him, seems like it was between staying at Barca and going to Munich imo.

The_Kew_Tour

Give them 35 million see what happens. Its a real outsider but never know.

If its not going to happen then move on.

wandatowell

Mitch Connor wrote: »

To remove the wages? Wages are the bigger financial concerns these days.

He took a big pay cut to join Barca and he wasn't on huge wages in relative terms at Arsenal anyway.

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Turn on your sarcasm detector.

I'm having a pop at the people who talk crap that we were never in for either player basically cause United never commented or confirmed a bid/interest.

Oh sarcasm.....Ah yes......yes....now I get it.....Dam.....

Rubber_Soul

Few training pics






More here
http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=manchester+united+training+australia

DM_7

Barca wage bill must be insane and a real concern if they would even entertain offers for Fabregas. Can't blame United for trying.

How Soon Is Now

If there was even a slight chance we could get Fabregas why not bid for him before Thiago!

If Barcalona sell both of these players in one transfer window there gone crazy to be honest.

I really really can not see anything coming of this other then ''I want to stay at barca'' and ''the player is worth a lot more and we wont accept bids of any value''.

If we some how manage to pull this off ill give someone on here a tenner :pac:.

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Why based on the thiago story?

We were in for, we discussed and agreed terms in principle for him - the deal was close to completion. Why it got fecked up I don't know, and once Bayern got seriously involved we were done - but I would say the majority of the Thiago reports were factually correct.

The reason the Thiago story bugs me was that although I agree the club didn't fcku it up, the reporters seemed set that Thiago deal was done and dusted. Not really a mention of Bayern, albeit from some sources. Then right at the end, it was Bayern Bayern Bayern.


When you look at the maount of players the papers link us wih each year, and the amount that actually come about, its a miniature percentage.

The_Kew_Tour

In few days this will be forgotten about and it will be back to Ronaldo.

homerjay2005

RasTa wrote: »

Based on what? It took Bayern a week to sign him, seems like it was between staying at Barca and going to Munich imo.

seen as you called the Thiago one correct, do you believe we will sign Fabregas?

Al Capwned

Leftist wrote: »

not a hope. It's a sick ploy imo. Why wait until the day after thiago goes? I could maybe understand if it was before that, as in: here barca, we'll take this lad you keep thiago and allow him the oppurtunities

but now?

nah. They know it's bollox. Easy way to take the heat off moyes.

Disgusting act tbh.

Plus he totally ruled it out earlier in the summer.

Sick?
Disgusting?

Give it a rest....

Leiva

If Arsenal don't take up the 'buy back' option from Barca for £25mil then they are entitled to 50% of any money that Barca get for him :eek:

Rubber_Soul

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

In few days this will be forgotten about and it will be back to Ronaldo.

Utd fans

Morzadec

£25m would be a steal for Fabregas. I would say in this current market he would
be worth at least £10m more.

IamtheWalrus

homerjay2005 wrote: »

seen as you called the Thiago one correct, do you believe we will sign Fabregas?

Fabregas' quotes earlier in the Summer suggest he's not up for a move. It would only then depend on Barca wanting rid. If that's the case, I can see it happening. Otherwise, no.

RasTa

homerjay2005 wrote: »

seen as you called the Thiago one correct, do you believe we will sign Fabregas?

If Arsenal get 50% of his fee then 0 chance. I would say he is open to a move if a bid is accepted. I can't see Barca accepting any bids.

homerjay2005

RasTa wrote: »

If Arsenal get 50% of his fee then 0 chance. I would say he is open to a move if a bid is accepted. I can't see Barca accepting any bids.

first ive heard about Barca getting money from his transfer.

stesaurus

They'll apparently receive half of anything received over what they paid Arsenal for him.

Leftist

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Few training pics






More here
http://www.gettyimages.ca/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&mt=photography&p=manchester+united+training+australia

steptoe will show rvp a thing or two about... eh..?

The_Kew_Tour

Let me know if Skybet go odds against him staying at Barca anyone:)

IamtheWalrus

Fabregas + Van PussyJuice = boner.

Vic Vinegar

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fabregas + Van PussyJuice = boner.

How delightfully eloquent.

DM_7

s.welstead wrote: »

They'll apparently receive half of anything received over what they paid Arsenal for him.

If thats true then its an incentive to accept less. Weird.

Based on Leiva's link it also sounds like they save 3 million on Fabregas contract as they won't have to pay the one million a year they pay Arsenal and the 6 million they would owe if they win la liga and european cup before 2016.

this is all getrting as complicated sounding as the thiago deal. May as well forget about it so!

Your Airbag

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yep - United well known for commenting publically on transfers.

United have bid for Fabregas - you can take that as a fact at this point.

The distrust people have of the media is absolutely laughable at times.

Never in for Thiago, never in for Strootman...

I was convinced we were in for Thiago but now with details coming to light of this bid for Cesc and the amount seems to be know I am doubting our interest in Thiago. The information regarding this bid is much stronger, we never really go an official bid figure come to light for Thiago. It seems like once a bid is in it breaks very quickly, like this and Bayern in for Thiago.

Lets hope we can wrap it up as quickly as Bayern did.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Never in for Lucas or Hazard either. All tabloid bs.

Didn't we offer 30m for Lucas and we were one of three EPL clubs Hazard had his pick of. City and Chelsea being the others.

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fabregas + Van PussyJuice = boner.

Splendid mental image you have given the forum today.

Adamcp898

Lads if this 50% clause does actually exist in addition to a buy back clause (having both in a contract would seem a little unlikely), then surely it has to be 50% of any profit made on the original fee paid and not 50% of the whole fee.

lordgoat

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

How delightfully eloquent.

Cut him some slack that's a step up from normal!

Cypher_sounds

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fabregas + Van PussyJuice = boner.

Watch out your post might disappear because of the ''offensive'' language by the pc brigade.

Fabergas is all we need.

Your Airbag

lordgoat wrote: »

Cut him some slack that's a step up from normal!

Its not really. It even sticks out like a sore thumb from the worst dross posted here but excitement is high so I guess it can go under the radar.

Timmyctc

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fabregas + Van PussyJuice = boner.

I am offended and as a result you can expect at least 2 strongly worded letters!

Mitch Connor

Fabregas and someone like McCarthy would have me a very happy boy to be honest.

FutureGuy

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fabregas + Van PussyJuice = boner.

Jesus man.

stesaurus

DM-ICE wrote: »

If thats true then its an incentive to accept less. Weird.

Based on Leiva's link it also sounds like they save 3 million on Fabregas contract as they won't have to pay the one million a year they pay Arsenal and the 6 million they would owe if they win la liga and european cup before 2016.

this is all getrting as complicated sounding as the thiago deal. May as well forget about it so!

No maybe I explained it wrong. Barcelona get their fee back and then anything above that gets split 50/50.
Original transfer was €29m so anything received above that they would split.
But yeah maybe the add-ons are a worry and it would remove having to pay those.

v3ttel

I don't understand the bid of £25 million. There is no chance in hell it will be accepted. It's not even ballpark imho, and not any basis for further negotiation.

I wished we'd have learned a lesson from the Thiago saga. Go in hard and fast, and get the job done without dragging the arse out of it. We've been burnt too many times to act the bollocks with this.

Your Airbag

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Fabregas and someone like McCarthy would have me a very happy boy to be honest.

If we are going for a Marquee signing and secondary signing combo like this I would much prefer Yacob from West Brom as the secondary. More potential and EPL proven. We were linked to him before but nothing came of it.