E/FIBRE - life Changing - What does it mean to you

cookie1977

siblers wrote: »

High Speed broadband is a privelege, not a right :pac:

The UN has decreed it a basic human right now:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2011/11/15/the-united-nations-says-broadband-is-basic-human-right/

lemon_remon

cookie1977 wrote: »

The UN has decreed it a basic human right now:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2011/11/15/the-united-nations-says-broadband-is-basic-human-right/

broadband != 'high speed' broadband

dub45

bk wrote: »

The vast majority of the twisted pair telephone network, telephone poles, ducts, phone exchanges and most of the gear in them was paid for by the tax payer.

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And in turn the State got paid for this when TE was floated in 1999.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/388410.stm

bk

dub45 wrote: »

And in turn the State got paid for this when TE was floated in 1999.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/388410.stm

And in turn the Irish people got screwed with:

- Big lose on their shares
- Most expensive line rental in the world
- Eircom bleeding the assets and doing the least possible to develop the network and new technology, as each owner in turn used it as their own personal piggy bank, mounting massive amounts of debt on it.

Remember Eircom was debt free when it was sold off. It ended up with over 4 billion in debt due to these gangsters.

Have you any idea how hard those of us who were members of IrelandOffLine had to fight Eircom first to get affordable dial-up and then crappy broadband?

It was like pulling blood from a stone.

dub45

bk wrote: »

And in turn the Irish people got screwed with:

- Big lose on their shares
- Most expensive line rental in the world
- Eircom bleeding the assets and doing the least possible to develop the network and new technology, as each owner in turn used it as their own personal piggy bank, mounting massive amounts of debt on it.

Remember Eircom was debt free when it was sold off. It ended up with over 4 billion in debt due to these gangsters.

Have you any idea how hard those of us who were members of IrelandOffLine had to fight Eircom first to get affordable dial-up and then crappy broadband?

It was like pulling blood from a stone.

All of that is undeniable of course and a consequnce of poor political decision making and the capitalist system in which we live.

However people regularly post here stating that the taxpayer (and of course its then customers) paid for TE assets which of course is true. But they stop short of pointing out that the state got a considerable amount of money for those assets when they were sold off.

That is a fact irrespective of the consequences of that sell off.

jmcc

dub45 wrote: »

All of that is undeniable of course and a consequnce of poor political decision making and the capitalist system in which we live.

Hardly capitalist. The pondscum intellects in power at the time (many of them being jumped up school teachers with no specialist knowledge of economics, technology or business) made a mess of it. The problem is that capitalism, as a system, would have punished such poor decision making but that was not allowed to happen. And then there is the absolutely moronic decision to sell a GSM network at the bottom of the market. In real terms, Ireland lost about ten years on the rest of the first world because of this. DSL only started to be launched nationally in 2003 or thereabouts. It had been under test in Dublin since 1998/1999.

Even the laws were changed to allow Eircom to be plundered by the ESOT and the Valentia consortium.

When Eircom had been plundered, the lie that there was no demand for DSL and broadband was promoted by their PR people. Many of the people (typically ex-Arts types with no real expertise in technology or the business of technology) who call themselves "technology journalists" in Ireland gladly ran that lie and promoted it because they were just churnalists - recyclers of press releases. To put it bluntly, Ireland got screwed on the Eircom deal.

Regards...jmcc

dub45

jmcc wrote: »

Hardly capitalist. The pondscum intellects in power at the time (many of them being jumped up school teachers with no specialist knowledge of economics, technology or business) made a mess of it. The problem is that capitalism, as a system, would have punished such poor decision making but that was not allowed to happen. And then there is the absolutely moronic decision to sell a GSM network at the bottom of the market. In real terms, Ireland lost about ten years on the rest of the first world because of this. DSL only started to be launched nationally in 2003 or thereabouts. It had been under test in Dublin since 1998/1999.

Even the laws were changed to allow Eircom to be plundered by the ESOT and the Valentia consortium.

When Eircom had been plundered, the lie that there was no demand for DSL and broadband was promoted by their PR people. Many of the people (typically ex-Arts types with no real expertise in technology or the business of technology) who call themselves "technology journalists" in Ireland gladly ran that lie and promoted it because they were just churnalists - recyclers of press releases. To put it bluntly, Ireland got screwed on the Eircom deal.

Regards...jmcc

I never said otherwise. I merely pointed out a historical fact which is rarely mentioned here and sadly seems to induce hysteria in otherwise apparently rational people!.

bealtine

jmcc wrote: »

Hardly capitalist. The pondscum intellects in power at the time (many of them being jumped up school teachers with no specialist knowledge of economics, technology or business) made a mess of it.

Well don't forget the privatization of telcos was decreed from Brussels and then certainly our lot did it really badly...

jmcc

bealtine wrote: »

Well don't forget the privatization of telcos was decreed from Brussels and then certainly our lot did it really badly...

Damned EUnuchs. The irony of all this eFibre thing is that I am considering it this morning as an alternative to UPC. The critical factor, as a business owner, will be static IPs.

Regards...jmcc

bealtine

jmcc wrote: »

Damned EUnuchs. The irony of all this eFibre thing is that I am considering it this morning as an alternative to UPC. The critical factor, as a business owner, will be static IPs.

Regards...jmcc

Well it's more the political philosophy that has taken over the EU that annoys me, so I'd say damn the neo-liberals and their retarded ideas of the world:) They want to return us to the chaos of the Victorian area as that REALLY worked out well (1929) as did modern neo-liberalism (2007/2008).


I think the biggest problem with UPC are the upload speeds too so the attraction of VDSL is obvious there and a static IP has its benefits too

jmcc

bealtine wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with UPC are the upload speeds too so the attraction of VDSL is obvious there and a static IP has its benefits too

Been trying to get an answer from Eircom in the 'talk to' section about the IP. UPC's broadband upload speeds have been quite good and even on the 30Mbs service, 3Mb/s is the equivalent of many broadband download rates. I spent most of yesterday uploading about 22GB of big data stuff. It would have taken days or weeks with ordinary ADSL upload rates.

Regards...jmcc

Solair

bealtine wrote: »

Well don't forget the privatization of telcos was decreed from Brussels and then certainly our lot did it really badly...

Competition was required by Brussels, privatisation was up to national governments.

bk

For a small business, it might actually make sense to get in both UPC and VDSL if available and use it with a router that combines the two connections and supports fail over.

It would allow for excellent speeds and pretty decent backup/fail over if one service goes down.

jmcc

bk wrote: »

For a small business, it might actually make sense to get in both UPC and VDSL if available and use it with a router that combines the two connections and supports fail over.

It would allow for excellent speeds and pretty decent backup/fail over if one service goes down.

Basically what I am doing at the moment with ADSL and UPC but using UPC for Linux ISOs and big data work.

Regards...jmcc

bk

jmcc wrote: »

Basically what I am doing at the moment with ADSL and UPC but using UPC for Linux ISOs and big data work.

Regards...jmcc

Then you might benefit from upgrading the ADSL to VDSL and then get a dual wan router that allows you to combine the two connections.

30mb/s upload speed for less then €100 per month would be very nice

I think such a setup could become very popular with small businesses throughout Ireland.

At the very least, get VDSL in first and try it out before thinking of dropping UPC.

jmcc

bk wrote: »

Then you might benefit from upgrading the ADSL to VDSL and then get a dual wan router that allows you to combine the two connections.

The ADSL is not on Eircom and has a /24.

I think such a setup could become very popular with small businesses throughout Ireland.

Not sure but VDSL is what a lot of SMEs want as ADSL is quite limited.

At the very least, get VDSL in first and try it out before thinking of dropping UPC.

I think Eircom's VDSL contract is 18 months so it will be a long evaluation period.

Regards...jmcc

bk

jmcc wrote: »

I think Eircom's VDSL contract is 18 months so it will be a long evaluation period.

Well worst case scenario is you have two nice fast connections that you can then combine

BTW Dual WAN routers are often also VPN routers and support Dynamic DNS service, which might be good enough for you.

BeerWolf

This stinks, looking at the roll out / availability map, I'm smack in the middle of 2 zones for it, not even 1km away from either borders... [between Ashbourne and Balbriggan].

fs -.-

Freddy Smelly

red_bairn wrote: »

For my parents it'll mean a perfect connection on Skype and perhaps a great range of TV channels when Eircom provides their TV service.

For myself, it means no interruptions while my family streams downstairs on the netbook. Mum may have missed her favourite show(s) on tele and can catch up with them online. Gaming, downloading content or Skyping the Korean lassie without any hiccups is the perfect world.

I'd like to think this could also help with college work and allow me to upload any content for web design, programming or other related to my Summer project.

Pz.

R3d

tv line up is not much better than upc's offering

better off getting freesat + saorview and at least when your broadband aint working your tv will still be.

Epicness

When is it coming to killarney?

Israeli Superiority

Epicness wrote: »

When is it coming to killarney?

Now. Check the website.