Entrepreneurship is an awful word. Article

Peterdalkey

nice read from Joe Gill! http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/we-should-encourage-a-culture-of-risk-taking-231263.html

Gloomtastic!

The mainstream media report on what the CEO earns because that is what their audiences only want to know. If you want to know about why they earn that, then read the FT.

As for third-level education, I have to agree. Got as far as a Diploma from the College of Commerce in Rathmines. Then I started working. A few years later, while I was working in London, I started a part-time course but walked out after a couple of weeks in true Irish style, telling the lecturer he hadn't a f*cking clue what he was talking about. :rolleyes:

I dont understand why someone who could really teach something about entrepreneurship would be a full time lecturer, unless they had given up on business, and then probably they arent in much of a position to teach students how to be successful entrepreneurs. This is the gap I think.

I do think Ireland is a good country though for promoting it, when the country had some money there was plenty of support for it, and we do have enterprise ireland albeit seemingly limited to their own definition of 'exportable' businesses.

Im in Norway at the moment, and the common phrase here is 'you can't make money in norway'. The country is not setup in such a way that it promotes entrepreneurs or people making money at all. Its the opposite in fact, and norway is a vastly richer country then ireland. Starting to understand the meaning of socialism. So things arent too bad at home.

AlmightyCushion

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I dont understand why someone who could really teach something about entrepreneurship would be a full time lecturer, unless they had given up on business, and then probably they arent in much of a position to teach students how to be successful entrepreneurs. This is the gap I think.

I do think Ireland is a good country though for promoting it, when the country had some money there was plenty of support for it, and we do have enterprise ireland albeit seemingly limited to their own definition of 'exportable' businesses.

Im in Norway at the moment, and the common phrase here is 'you can't make money in norway'. The country is not setup in such a way that it promotes entrepreneurs or people making money at all. Its the opposite in fact, and norway is a vastly richer country then ireland. Starting to understand the meaning of socialism. So things arent too bad at home.

Norway is vastly richer because of their oil and gas reserves (something we don't currently have). Their attitude towards entrepreneurs or how easy it is to be an entrepreneur there doesn't really come into it.

And would you say the same of sweden and denmark who have similar political landscapes, taxation and business and banking policies?
My point was that people often complain about not enough support for entrepreneurs in Ireland, when there are various systems and schemes in place to help this very thing, more then I've seen in any other countries the US and UK aside.
Its not up to the Irish government to create entrepreneurs, but they certainly provide plenty of advice and support where possible as far as I can see.

Peterdalkey

Norway is essentially a welfare state with a similar population to Ireland but the state control the majority of business by size. With vast natural resources, no Euro and well looked after citizens, it is probaly not surprising that it does not have much of an enterprise culture. Given the same internal wealth, I suspect we would not be much different!!

lucky john

I looked around abit to see if I could find the definition of the word "Entrepeneur". The two most interesting i found were

"Entrepreneurs are the ones who work ON a business, not IN a business".

“Entrepreneurs are people who are too naive to see the obstacles that are obvious to others”.

I think its the connotation of the word rather than the word itself that is annoying Joe. The courses are really just advanced "start your own business courses" and seem to be aimed at people that already have a business to scale up or an idea that has high potential. I dont think they plan to take people in of the street and try to turn them into entreprenures.

however his main point is right. The more people realise that its possible to start with an idea and turn it into an actual business ( and get over the fear factor) the better. Even programes like Dragon's Den play a role in this. Potential "self employed", "business owners", "entreprenures" or what ever we call them, see ordinary people with ideas they can identify with. Sometimes its all the little push they need.

His view that farmers are entreprenures is true. Apart from running the main farm business plenty of farmers have started business relateded to the day job. Co Ops, engineering companies, numerous food business, tourist related ect.. The interesting thing here is that close enough 100% of farmers inhereted the farm from their father. Therefore it was not their choice to become business people. It was the fact that they learned it growing up and were mentored by their parents that prepaired them for this career. And in fairness the vast majoity of them succeed, in that, they leave a bigger business to pass on to their own kids.
The question is, were they born entreprenures, taught by their mentors to be so or just grew up in the culture of the farm business.

anbrutog

Theoretical V Real World Business

The Corinthian

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I dont understand why someone who could really teach something about entrepreneurship would be a full time lecturer, unless they had given up on business, and then probably they arent in much of a position to teach students how to be successful entrepreneurs. This is the gap I think.

Maybe the college/course is their enterprise

The Corinthian

The Corinthian wrote: »

Maybe the college/course is their enterprise

haha you got me there!