Provincial Schools Cups 2013-2014 [MOD NOTE POST 1]

The Lost Sheep

CatFromHue wrote: »

What age group are the Ulster schools?

U18 or U19's?

All schools competitions are under 19s.
Ulster Schools interpro side is Under 18. At Under 19 interpro sides are mix of schools and youths players

TTWNF

Here is a photo-book i did on the Leinster senior cup competition if anyone wants a look at the photos...

http://blur.by/1oFGpRc

Hagz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6AueMKi73M

ken76

Any score yet in Belvo Rock game?

The Pheasant2

ken76 wrote: »

Any score yet in Belvo Rock game?

7 - 0 to Rock last I heard

Bridge93

14-3 as of 5 mins ago

Bridge93

Blackrock win 14-10 after Belvo score with minutes to go. Double number 25.

Hagz

The school's 7th double-double.

bilston

awec wrote: »

Leinster schools would clean up in any all ireland schools cup.

I'd say Inst and Methody would hold their own against the Leinster schools over a period of time, the Leinster Schools would certainly win any all Ireland cup more often than not but I don't think they'd win every year.

Superbus

Hagz wrote: »

The school's 7th double-double.

And first since 1986-87.

Bridge93

From what I've heard it appears Belvo were immense in defence.

The Pheasant2

Am I right in saying a triple double has never been done?

Hagz

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Am I right in saying a triple double has never been done?

Yep.

The Pheasant2

Looks highly unlikely anyway - Blackrocks current crop of 5th years are poor enough I hear. Although the 2nd years are likely favourites for the J
again next year

Quint2010

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Looks highly unlikely anyway - Blackrocks current crop of 5th years are poor enough I hear. Although the 2nd years are likely favourites for the J
again next year

Terenure are meant to have a good junior team next year. Well done to Rock.

Bridge93

Quint2010 wrote: »

Terenure are meant to have a good junior team next year. Well done to Rock.

Yeah huge number of 2nd years on the Nure team this year. Roughly 10 or so?

FrannoFan

Rock will nearly always be favorites for the Junior Cup. Most schools struggle to close the big gap in skills in 3 years. Clongowes rarely feature at J's but are always strong by Seniors.

Gordon Gecko

A 2nd year of heartbreak for Belvo. Rock were very good, the back line in particular looked slick. Belvo defense was good, though letting in the 2nd try was due to some poor missed tackles. Belvo squandered a lot of possession and overlaps on the 2nd half could really have spoiled Rock's day but for a tendency to eat up their own space with the drift.

As a venue Tallaght was fairly shocking, only 2 turnstiles open meant waiting half an hour to get into the stadium. No atmosphere about the place either - shocking venue for a match and a huge mistake on the part of the Branch which will hopefully never be repeated.

Quint2010

I see there was an "R. Plumtree" playing for 'Rock yesterday. Any relation?

Bridge93

Quint2010 wrote: »

I see there was an "R. Plumtree" playing for 'Rock yesterday. Any relation?

Yep, son.

The Lost Sheep

Irish Under 18 Schools play Scotland Under 18 Sunday at 2pm in Coolmine RFC in prep for FIRA European Championships

stellenbosch

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Irish Under 18 Schools play Scotland Under 18 Sunday at 2pm in Coolmine RFC in prep for FIRA European Championships

Yes. 26 man squad about to be announced for this and FIRA U18s in Poznan.

Make up:

Leinster 17 -Rock 2/St Andrews 4/Michaels 6/Roscrea 1/Clongowes 4
Munster 4-Rockwell 2/PBC 1/Crescent 1
Ulster 2-Wallace 1/Campbell 1
Connacht 3-Summerhill 1/Garbally 2

bilston

stellenbosch wrote: »

Yes. 26 man squad about to be announced for this and FIRA U18s in Poznan.

Make up:

Leinster 17 -Rock 2/St Andrews 4/Michaels 6/Roscrea 1/Clongowes 4
Munster 4-Rockwell 2/PBC 1/Crescent 1
Ulster 2-Wallace 1/Campbell 1
Connacht 3-Summerhill 1/Garbally 2

Two from Ulster isn't great, although a lot of the MCB guys are involved with the U19s I believe.

I assume Stockdale is the Wallace player.

stellenbosch

bilston wrote: »

Two from Ulster isn't great, although a lot of the MCB guys are involved with the U19s I believe.

I assume Stockdale is the Wallace player.

Yep

Very few rock players eligible as their team mostly u19

RuPi

Correct on Stockdale and McIlmurray is the CCB player, same as at Christmas. Surprised at only two given the team finished second in the inter pro's earlier in the year.

Mr Pseudonym

Are any highlights of the SC Final available yet?

funtime93

stellenbosch wrote: »

Yes. 26 man squad about to be announced for this and FIRA U18s in Poznan.

Make up:

Leinster 17 -Rock 2/St Andrews 4/Michaels 6/Roscrea 1/Clongowes 4
Munster 4-Rockwell 2/PBC 1/Crescent 1
Ulster 2-Wallace 1/Campbell 1
Connacht 3-Summerhill 1/Garbally 2

4 players from Andrews is an incredible achievement for them.

mtwr999

Leinster 17 -Jack Power, Hugo Kean, Andrew Porter, Greg Jones, Sean Balburnie, Jordan Larmour, James Ryan, Charlie Cregan, David Duggan, Max Deegan, Michael Gilsenan, Oisin O'Meara, Tim Carroll, Will Connors, John Molony, Colm Mulcahy, James Lappin.
Munster 4 - Sean O'Connor, Alan McMahon, John Poland, Calvin Nash.
Ulster 2 - Jacob Stockdale, Conor McIlmurray.
Connacht 3 - Conan O'Donnell, Conor Kenny, Peter Claffey.

stellenbosch

mtwr999 wrote: »

Leinster 17 -Jack Power, Hugo Kean, Andrew Porter, Greg Jones, Sean Balburnie, Jordan Larmour, James Ryan, Charlie Cregan, David Duggan, Max Deegan, Michael Gilsenan, Oisin O'Meara, Tim Carroll, Will Connors, John Molony, Colm Mulcahy, James Lappin.
Munster 4 - Sean O'Connor, Alan McMahon, John Poland, Calvin Nash.
Ulster 2 - Jacob Stockdale, Conor McIlmurray.
Connacht 3 - Conan O'Donnell, Conor Kenny, Peter Claffey.

Not sure you are correct here-you have missed Kiernan/Osborne/Guy and have included Poland/Lappin/balburnie who i understand HAVE NOT been selected. Also it is Matthew Gilsenan

The Lost Sheep

stellenbosch wrote: »

Yes. 26 man squad about to be announced for this and FIRA U18s in Poznan.

Make up:

Leinster 17 -Rock 2/St Andrews 4/Michaels 6/Roscrea 1/Clongowes 4
Munster 4-Rockwell 2/PBC 1/Crescent 1
Ulster 2-Wallace 1/Campbell 1
Connacht 3-Summerhill 1/Garbally 2

That is very interesting to see more representatives from Connacht than Ulster in a schools underage squad. fantastic to see from Connacht perspective. Disappointing that 3 separate schools in Leinster have more or as many players involved as the other three provinces

mtwr999 wrote: »

Leinster 17 -Jack Power, Hugo Kean, Andrew Porter, Greg Jones, Sean Balburnie, Jordan Larmour, James Ryan, Charlie Cregan, David Duggan, Max Deegan, Michael Gilsenan, Oisin O'Meara, Tim Carroll, Will Connors, John Molony, Colm Mulcahy, James Lappin.
Munster 4 - Sean O'Connor, Alan McMahon, John Poland, Calvin Nash.
Ulster 2 - Jacob Stockdale, Conor McIlmurray.
Connacht 3 - Conan O'Donnell, Conor Kenny, Peter Claffey.

3 Connacht lads are very good on small bit ive seen them play. Disappointing so many from Leinster compared to other provinces

mtwr999

stellenbosch wrote: »

Not sure you are correct here-you have missed Kiernan/Osborne/Guy and have included Poland/Lappin/balburnie who i understand HAVE NOT been selected. Also it is Matthew Gilsenan

i was guessing, so i think i did a pretty good job.

Props: Porter, O'Donnell, McIlmurray, Kenny.
Hooker: Molony, Kean.
Lock: Ryan, O'Connor, Claffey.
Backrow: Guy, Connors, Jones, Cregan, Deegan.
Scrumhalf: Duggan, Osborne.
Outhalf: Gilsenan.
Centre: Kiernan, Mulcahy, Stockdale, O'Meara.
Back 3: Nash, McMahon, Power, Carroll, Larmour.

rugby addict

Jordan Larmour is only in fourth year great achievment

FrannoFan

rugby addict wrote: »

Jordan Larmour is only in fourth year great achievment

What school?was he overage for U17 trials this year? Impressive work.

Brewster

FrannoFan wrote: »

What school?was he overage for U17 trials this year? Impressive work.

St Andrews. One for the future hopefully..

mtwr999

Guy, Larmour, Osborne, O'Meara were al uninvolved during the interpro's.

mtwr999

Brewster wrote: »

St Andrews. One for the future hopefully..

indeed, I believe he is an underage international with hockey aswell but you would hope rugby would hold greater appeal.

rughug

Does anyone have the definite squad of 26 because the one posted is not 100% correct.

The Lost Sheep

rughug wrote: »

Does anyone have the definite squad of 26 because the one posted is not 100% correct.

Doubt anyone will have one and everyone will have to wait for game/irfu to announce squad.

Schools are announcing on their websites etc of players picked in the squad
Jack Power and Hugo Keane from Blackrock have made squad.

Shame we will not have our best squad competing in the FIRA competition

mtwr999

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Shame we will not have our best squad competing in the FIRA competition

Why do you say that?

mtwr999

rughug wrote: »

Does anyone have the definite squad of 26 because the one posted is not 100% correct.

what's wrong? My squad was a guess..

The Lost Sheep

mtwr999 wrote: »

Why do you say that?

The squad going to FIRA should have the best from the youths, schools and exiles. With a second strength squad of the remainder playing in the fixtures the youths play.
The schools v youths fixture at Christmas should be final trial in selection for each squad though obviously outstanding performances in schools cups/later stages of youths competitions like pan munster etc should give a player another chance to be looked at by irish coaches

rughug

mtwr999 wrote: »

Why do you say that?

Yeah. Why do you say that we dont have our best squad out. Who isnt available or who is injured.??

rughug

My dear man . It would be nigh on impossible
to pick a squad from that wide expanse of players. The standard of the schools squad at that age is just so much higher that it makes more sense to wait till 19 to marry the clubs and exiles in.Current system is fine. The net is cast wide open and no one misses out.

The Lost Sheep

rughug wrote: »

My dear man . It would be nigh on impossible
to pick a squad from that wide expanse of players. The standard of the schools squad at that age is just so much higher that it makes more sense to wait till 19 to marry the clubs and exiles in.Current system is fine. The net is cast wide open and no one misses out.

It wouldn't be nigh on impossible. There would be plenty of players from youths able to make a combined squad just look at 20s this year JOD, AB, PD all comfortably making side and would have done so at 18s no bother as well.
My point is Ireland is not sending its best side to FIRA. Its sending only some of their best players.

mtwr999

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It wouldn't be nigh on impossible. There would be plenty of players from youths able to make a combined squad just look at 20s this year JOD, AB, PD all comfortably making side and would have done so at 18s no bother as well.
My point is Ireland is not sending its best side to FIRA. Its sending only some of their best players.

massive difference between 20s and 18s... schools usually control if not dominate youths when they play each other at this level..

imagine munster clubs versus leinster schools... it would get ugly

The Lost Sheep

mtwr999 wrote: »

massive difference between 20s and 18s... schools usually control if not dominate youths when they play each other at this level..

imagine munster clubs versus leinster schools... it would get ugly

Schools normally do win but we should have our best team competing in FIRA. When the youths played in FIRA the schools at least had the 4 nations tournament to play in the UK but when that stopped and there was to be only 1 European under 18 tournament we should have entered a mixed side.

mtwr999

youths will have gotten 3 games this year, one in Italy and two in France..

they aren't missing out..

FrannoFan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Schools normally do win but we should have our best team competing in FIRA. When the youths played in FIRA the schools at least had the 4 nations tournament to play in the UK but when that stopped and there was to be only 1 European under 18 tournament we should have entered a mixed side.

Lost Sheep you often bleat on about the youths not getting as good a look in at this age grade. The reality is club players have nowhere near the conditioning of their schools counterparts. They quickly make up this gap upon leaving school but at U18 level(4th and 5th years a lot of the time) there is a real physical mis-match.
Look at the Leinster Cup final, how many club players would be able for it? Also in the same game look at the change in Cleary since going to Clongowes and Carberry and Oliver? No one doubting the youths players ability but the conditioning is a major issue.

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

Lost Sheep you often bleat on about the youths not getting as good a look in at this age grade. The reality is club players have nowhere near the conditioning of their schools counterparts. They quickly make up this gap upon leaving school but at U18 level(4th and 5th years a lot of the time) there is a real physical mis-match.
Look at the Leinster Cup final, how many club players would be able for it? Also in the same game look at the change in Cleary since going to Clongowes and Carberry and Oliver? No one doubting the youths players ability but the conditioning is a major issue.

There isnt a real physical mis match in the very top players. At Leinster Senior Schools final i would say about the top 20 or so youths straight away would and another 20 or so if they put in moe of the training the schools guys can put in

Anyway to get back to rugby. Connacht Senior Development Schools final is in sportsground today between Holy Rosary College Mountbellew v Scoil Chuimsitheach Chiaráin while replay of Senior Schools Cup final is tomorrow

Also irish schools squad of 27 is listed on the munster website
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/18172.php
Elliott Boyd (Campbell College)
Peter Claffey (Garbally College)
Will Connors (Clongowes Wood College)
Charlie Cregan (St Michael's College)
Max Deegan (St Michael's College)
David Duggan (St Michael's College)
Tim Foley (Cistercian College Roscrea)
Matthew Gilsenan (St Michael's College)
Johnny Guy (St Andrews College)
Greg Jones (St Andrews College)
Hugo Kean (Blackrock College)
Conor Kenny (Garbally College)
Paul Kiernan (Presentation Brothers Cork)
Jordan Larmour (St Andrews College)
Conor McIlmurray (Campbell College)
Alan McMahon (Rockwell College)
John Molony (Clongowes Wood College)
Colm Mulcahy (Clongowes Wood College)
Calvin Nash (Crescent College Comprehensive)
Sean O'Connor (Rockwell College)
Conan O'Donnell (Summerhill College)
Oisin O'Meara (St Michaels College)
Rowan Osborne (Clongowes Wood College)
Andrew Porter (St Andrews College)
Jack Power (Blackrock College)
James Ryan (St Michael's College)
Jacob Stockdale (Wallace High School)

mtwr999

Props: Andrew Porter, Conan O'Donnell, Conor McIlmurray, Conor Kenny, Elliott Boyd
Hooker: Hugo Kean, John Molony.
Lock: James Ryan, Peter Claffey, Sean O'Connor
Backrow: Johnny Guy, Max Deegan, Greg Jones, Charlie Cregan, Will Connors.
Scrumhalf: David Duggan, Rowan Osborne
Outhalf: Matthew Gilsenan, Tim Foley
Centre: Jacob Stockdale, Colm Mulcahy, Peter Kiernan, Oisin O'Meara.
Wing/Fullback: Jack Power, Calvin Nash, Alan McMahon, Jordan Larmour