Provincial Schools Cups 2013-2014 [MOD NOTE POST 1]

BillsBarn

O'Brien was doing all the kicking from hand and on the tee.

BigHeel

BillsBarn wrote: »

O'Brien was doing all the kicking from hand and on the tee.

I don't know what game you were watching but Frawley and O'Brien shared the out of hand kicking and Wallace took all the place kicks.

ormond lad

Leinster Schools team to play Munster Saturday in Donnybrook
15: Jack Power (Blackrock College)
14: Con Callan (St. Gerard's School)
13: Colm Mulcahy (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
12: Matthew Gilsenan (St. Michael's College) Vice Captain
11: Tim Carroll (Cistercian College Roscrea)
10: Jimmy O'Brien (Newbridge College)
9: David Duggan (St. Michael's College)
1: Eoghan Byrne (Gonzaga College SJ)
2: Jonny Molony (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
3: Sean O'Hare (Castleknock College)
4: Rob Lalor (Terenure College)
5: James Ryan (St. Michael's College) Captain
6: Charlie Cregan (St. Michael's College)
7: Will Connors (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
8: Greg Jones (St. Andrew's College)

16: Hugo Keane (Blackrock College)
17: Martin Mulhall (Kilkenny College)
18: James Bollard (St. Michael's College)
19: Michael Melia (Terenure College)
20: Max Deegan (St. Michael's College)
21: Dan Lavelle (Cistercian College Roscrea)
22: Tim Foley (Cistercian College Roscrea)
23: James Lappin (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/10295

Tox56

ormond lad wrote: »

Leinster Schools team to play Munster Saturday in Donnybrook
15: Jack Power (Blackrock College)
14: Con Callan (St. Gerard's School)
13: Colm Mulcahy (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
12: Matthew Gilsenan (St. Michael's College) Vice Captain
11: Tim Carroll (Cistercian College Roscrea)
10: Jimmy O'Brien (Newbridge College)
9: David Duggan (St. Michael's College)
1: Eoghan Byrne (Gonzaga College SJ)
2: Jonny Molony (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
3: Sean O'Hare (Castleknock College)
4: Rob Lalor (Terenure College)
5: James Ryan (St. Michael's College) Captain
6: Charlie Cregan (St. Michael's College)
7: Will Connors (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
8: Greg Jones (St. Andrew's College)

16: Hugo Keane (Blackrock College)
17: Martin Mulhall (Kilkenny College)
18: James Bollard (St. Michael's College)
19: Michael Melia (Terenure College)
20: Max Deegan (St. Michael's College)
21: Dan Lavelle (Cistercian College Roscrea)
22: Tim Foley (Cistercian College Roscrea)
23: James Lappin (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/10295

Maybe I just have an untrained eye but that looks like an enormous step down from the Leinster schools team of last year, is this a bad group or was last year just exceptional?

BigHeel

Tox56 wrote: »

Maybe I just have an untrained eye but that looks like an enormous step down from the Leinster schools team of last year, is this a bad group or was last year just exceptional?

Last years team was exceptional. I like the look of this years team. Some good performers there. I was impressed with them last week v the Youths, particularly in the first half.

ormond lad

Tox56 wrote: »

Maybe I just have an untrained eye but that looks like an enormous step down from the Leinster schools team of last year, is this a bad group or was last year just exceptional?

People will always try compare last year but its pointless. Last year were an exceptional group and no point in comparing sides each year.
No way at all that this or any year group are a "bad group".

rughug

Tox56 wrote: »

Maybe I just have an untrained eye but that looks like an enormous step down from the Leinster schools team of last year, is this a bad group or was last year just exceptional?

Oh dear one. Would that have anything to do with the fact that there is only 1 Rock boy on this years team. And 4 from Michaels.Maybe not enough familiar names.Judge by results and wait for the next 3weeks.

The Lost Sheep

Leinster 19s team to play Connacht tomorrow
15: Robert Vallejo (New Ross RFC)
14: Cian O'Donoghue (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
13: Cormac Brennan (C.C. Roscrea)
12: Michael Courtney (C.B.C. Monkstown)
11: Cillian Burke (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
10: Fergal Cleary (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
9: Joey Carbury (Blackrock College)
1: Jeremy Loughman (Blackrock College)
2: Andy Roche (Terenure College)
3: Hugh O'Donnell (Newbridge College)
4: Jack Dwan (Blackrock College)
5: Collie Joyce-Ahearne (Wexford Wanderers RFC)
6: James Doyle (Belvedere College SJ)
7: Patrick Thornton (Terenure College)
8: Nick Timoney (Blackrock College) CAPTAIN

16: Liam Walshe (Wicklow RFC)
17: Jonathan Phelan (Newbridge College)
18: Eric O'Sullivan (Templeogue College)
19: Alex Penny (St. Michael's College)
20: Conor Oliver (Skerries RFC)
21: Tim Schmidt (Terenure College)
22: Mark Sutton (Newbridge College)
23: James Nolan (Gorey RFC)

Nice group of players who still are in youths set up or predominantly played their underage rugby in youths clubs rather than rugby schools

schools rugby

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leinster 19s team to play Connacht tomorrow
15: Robert Vallejo (New Ross RFC)
14: Cian O'Donoghue (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
13: Cormac Brennan (C.C. Roscrea)
12: Michael Courtney (C.B.C. Monkstown)
11: Cillian Burke (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
10: Fergal Cleary (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
9: Joey Carbury (Blackrock College)
1: Jeremy Loughman (Blackrock College)
2: Andy Roche (Terenure College)
3: Hugh O'Donnell (Newbridge College)
4: Jack Dwan (Blackrock College)
5: Collie Joyce-Ahearne (Wexford Wanderers RFC)
6: James Doyle (Belvedere College SJ)
7: Patrick Thornton (Terenure College)
8: Nick Timoney (Blackrock College) CAPTAIN

16: Liam Walshe (Wicklow RFC)
17: Jonathan Phelan (Newbridge College)
18: Eric O'Sullivan (Templeogue College)
19: Alex Penny (St. Michael's College)
20: Conor Oliver (Skerries RFC)
21: Tim Schmidt (Terenure College)
22: Mark Sutton (Newbridge College)
23: James Nolan (Gorey RFC)

Nice group of players who still are in youths set up or predominantly played their underage rugby in youths clubs rather than rugby schools

where and what time is this match on ?

The Lost Sheep

schools rugby wrote: »

where and what time is this match on ?

19s game is tomorrow at 2.30pm in St Marys RFC

schools rugby

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

19s game is tomorrow at 2.30pm in St Marys RFC

Thanks ! Il head over and have a look

CGD

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leinster 19s team to play Connacht tomorrow
15: Robert Vallejo (New Ross RFC)
14: Cian O'Donoghue (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
13: Cormac Brennan (C.C. Roscrea)
12: Michael Courtney (C.B.C. Monkstown)
11: Cillian Burke (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
10: Fergal Cleary (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
9: Joey Carbury (Blackrock College)
1: Jeremy Loughman (Blackrock College)
2: Andy Roche (Terenure College)
3: Hugh O'Donnell (Newbridge College)
4: Jack Dwan (Blackrock College)
5: Collie Joyce-Ahearne (Wexford Wanderers RFC)
6: James Doyle (Belvedere College SJ)
7: Patrick Thornton (Terenure College)
8: Nick Timoney (Blackrock College) CAPTAIN

16: Liam Walshe (Wicklow RFC)
17: Jonathan Phelan (Newbridge College)
18: Eric O'Sullivan (Templeogue College)
19: Alex Penny (St. Michael's College)
20: Conor Oliver (Skerries RFC)
21: Tim Schmidt (Terenure College)
22: Mark Sutton (Newbridge College)
23: James Nolan (Gorey RFC)

Nice group of players who still are in youths set up or predominantly played their underage rugby in youths clubs rather than rugby schools

From above list most are in rugby schools with a minority in clubs (4)

The Lost Sheep

CGD wrote: »

From above list most are in rugby schools with a minority in clubs (4)

There is 5 from the clubs game(Vallejo, Joyce Ahearne, Walshe, Oliver and Nolan) with Carbery very recently as he was a youths player last year and Cleary was a youths player and moved to clongowes last september

Hagz

The Lost Sheep

Leinster Youths beat Michaels 24-13 this morning

the baby bull elephant

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leinster Youths beat Michaels 24-13 this morning

Was it a full match or one of those 3 20 minutes games?

Either way good result for the Youths, though I'm guessing this was probably Michael's first run out and presumably they had no interpros.

Will be interesting to see how the youths go vs Mary's on Wenesday.

BigHeel

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Was it a full match or one of those 3 20 minutes games?

Either way good result for the Youths, though I'm guessing this was probably Michael's first run out and presumably they had no interpros.

Will be interesting to see how the youths go vs Mary's on Wenesday.

Michael's missing their interpros but also a a very different looking Youhs side. A few guys there we haven't seen before.

The Lost Sheep

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Was it a full match or one of those 3 20 minutes games?

Either way good result for the Youths, though I'm guessing this was probably Michael's first run out and presumably they had no interpros.

Will be interesting to see how the youths go vs Mary's on Wenesday.

Wasn't there but I am positive it was a full match and yes Michaels did not have any of their under 18 schools or under 19 representatives playing.
Good result for the Youths

lurtz

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

There is 5 from the clubs game(Vallejo, Joyce Ahearne, Walshe, Oliver and Nolan) with Carbery very recently as he was a youths player last year and Cleary was a youths player and moved to clongowes last september

think Burke was as well up to recently ,and Loughman

lurtz

James ryan really lit up the 18s with his offloading game today

schools rugby

Leinster 19s 21 - 7 Connacht 19s

Not a great game, both sides made a lot of mistakes with ball in hand (conditions were poor).
Carburry, Roche and Vallejo were very good and Fergal Clearly was the best player on the pitch by a mile, he was a class above everybody else. Very dissapointed with Connacht

FR2

lurtz wrote: »

James ryan really lit up the 18s with his offloading game today

What was the result and who went well?

The Lost Sheep

18s schools result
Leinster 28 Munster 14.

shawneebuy

Who won between Ulster and Munster U.19 today?

The Lost Sheep

shawneebuy wrote: »

Who won between Ulster and Munster U.19 today?

Ulster

shawneebuy

Do you have the score?

Stanza2

schools rugby wrote: »

Leinster 19s 21 - 7 Connacht 19s

Not a great game, both sides made a lot of mistakes with ball in hand (conditions were poor).
Carburry, Roche and Vallejo were very good and Fergal Clearly was the best player on the pitch by a mile, he was a class above everybody else. Very dissapointed with Connacht

Not the greatest of games no, but not "disappointed" in Connacht. They were right in it at half time 11-7 and had their periods of domination in the second half. Indeed they looked to have gotten over the line only for ref to say it was held up (which the Connacht boys dispute) but they got on with it. Leinster were the better team no doubt, scored a try on the break with a fairly fortunate bounch of the ball in the second half. They deserve to win, but with all the star school performers in the team, to be honest I expected more from Leinster. Cleary is a good player but tries to do too much himself, he went for too many cross field kicks in the scoring zone, none of which came off. Leinster should have won by more.

schools rugby

Stanza2 wrote: »

Not the greatest of games no, but not "disappointed" in Connacht. They were right in it at half time 11-7 and had their periods of domination in the second half. Indeed they looked to have gotten over the line only for ref to say it was held up (which the Connacht boys dispute) but they got on with it. Leinster were the better team no doubt, scored a try on the break with a fairly fortunate bounch of the ball in the second half. They deserve to win, but with all the star school performers in the team, to be honest I expected more from Leinster. Cleary is a good player but tries to do too much himself, he went for too many cross field kicks in the scoring zone, none of which came off. Leinster should have won by more.

Vallejo's try was from a kick from Cleary.
While Carburry was good at 9 this team would be a lot better with Rock or McCarthy there.
I should have said i was dissappointed with Leinster too. Ross Bailey Kearney from Kilkenny College played well when he came on for Connacht

Stanza2

schools rugby wrote: »

Vallejo's try was from a kick from Cleary.
While Carburry was good at 9 this team would be a lot better with Rock or McCarthy there.
I should have said i was dissappointed with Leinster too. Ross Bailey Kearney from Kilkenny College played well when he came on for Connacht

Fair comments. The try was from a clearance kick tho, when Connacht were putting the pressure on, it was a good kick, but the bounce was favourable! I was referring To the cross field kicks he kept trying when in the Connacht 22. Cleary is a good player but made look better by fairly average players around him. I just expected more from Leinster. They have moved a lot of good lads up to the 20's in fairness. Carberry was ok, good hands. Although for his movement, speed and the fact that he was getting his hands on the ball quite a lot, Cleary looked the best player, I did not think that there was any truly outstanding player. Not meant as a criticism. Connacht were closer to Leinster than I expected to be honest.

eagleman

Was at the Connacht, Leinster 19s game yesterday.. Was rather dissapointed with the overall standard of the game, expected more from both sides especially Leinster. Cleary however was a strong player however very greedy. Connacht lacked in the pack, especially in the second row, exile prop Cian Roman was for some reason playing as a lock. However he was not the only dissapointing one.. Hope to see some improvements next week

The Pheasant2

CBC Sct are playing Blackrock Sct tomorrow at 2:45 in CBC

The Lost Sheep

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

CBC Sct are playing Blackrock Sct tomorrow at 2:45 in CBC

CBC Monkstown not CBC Cork I presume?

The Pheasant2

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

CBC Monkstown not CBC Cork I presume?

Yeah sorry I should have clarified, CBC monkstown

Hagz

Am I right in saying that the interpros are on today?

The Lost Sheep

Hagz wrote: »

Am I right in saying that the interpros are on today?

No. All games are Saturdays at 18s and 19s this season

Hagz

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No. All games are Saturdays at 18s and 19s this season

Yeh discovered that after posting. The Leinster site made an error and said the Munster v Leinster game kicked off tonight.

the baby bull elephant

U18 Youths are playing Mary's this evening however.

rugbyman5678

Mary's SCT beat Leinster Youths tonight 12-0

themont85

Surprised that the Youths seem to struggle against individual schools.

How did the Rock CBC match go?

The Pheasant2

CBC beat Rock 17 - 15. Heard that there were a large enough number of 4th years playing on the Rock team which struck me as somewhat strange...although I suppose they haven't got their Leinster players back yet

The Lost Sheep

themont85 wrote: »

Surprised that the Youths seem to struggle against individual schools.

How did the Rock CBC match go?

Would depend on team Youths had out as well. may not been full strength for a game in middle of week in Dublin with players having school. Also may not have been first strength youth side with management looking at other players ahead of interpros in 2 weeks time.

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

CBC beat Rock 17 - 15. Heard that there were a large enough number of 4th years playing on the Rock team which struck me as somewhat strange...although I suppose they haven't got their Leinster players back yet

Would large number of 4th years really be a big deal. Blackrock won the junior cup last year so those in 4th year are strong and the interpros are on so quite a few 5th/6th years are unavailable. It also is barely the second week in September. Lots of players being looked at for the 1st XV

Hagz

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Would large number of 4th years really be a big deal.

It wouldn't be strange to maybe see one or two 4th years playing for the SCT, but anything above that would be notable.

BigHeel

themont85 wrote: »

Surprised that the Youths seem to struggle against individual schools.

How did the Rock CBC match go?

Youths were more or less full strength with one very very big exception. O'Brien wasn't there.

The Pheasant2

Hagz wrote: »

It wouldn't be strange to maybe see one or two 4th years playing for the SCT, but anything above that would be notable.

There was 5 or 6, the inexperience showed as the game progressed although I got the sense the Rock team was somewhat fitter

The Lost Sheep

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

There was 5 or 6, the inexperience showed as the game progressed although I got the sense the Rock team was somewhat fitter

Theyre all kids. Theyre all inexperienced......
Blackrock won junior cup last year so theyre 4th years are strong and its very early in the year. 1st/2nd game of year with players missing due to provincial call ups.

Hagz

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Theyre all kids. Theyre all inexperienced......

That's a very black and white outlook. The gap between a 4th year and a 6th year is usually quite large.

The Lost Sheep

Hagz wrote: »

That's a very black and white outlook. The gap between a 4th year and a 6th year is usually quite large.

But 4th years who were champions at junior level last year and would be quite strong. Yes I know the difference between 4th year and 6th year is considerable. many 4th years are only about 15 maybe 16 years of age while 6th years are generally 18 or nearly 18 and the difference is huge everywhere with the amount of work done by the students in older years making huge differences

The Lost Sheep

The Leinster u18 Schools team to face Ulster on Saturday
15: Jack Power (Blackrock College)
14: Con Callan (St. Gerard's School)
13: Colm Mulcahy (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
12: Matthew Gilsenan (St. Michael's College)
11: Tim Carroll (Cistercian College Roscrea)
10: Jimmy O'Brien (Newbridge College)
9: David Duggan (St. Michael's College)
1: Eoghan Byrne (Gonzaga College SJ)
2: Jonny Molony (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
3: Sean O'Hare (Castleknock College)
4: Rob Lalor (Terenure College)
5: James Ryan (St. Michael's College)
6: Charlie Cregan (St. Michael's College)
7: Will Connors (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
8: Greg Jones (St. Andrew's College)
Replacements:
16: Hugo Keane (Blackrock College)
17: Martin Mulhall (Kilkenny College)
18: James Bollard (St. Michael's College)
19: Michael Melia (Terenure College)
20: Max Deegan (St. Michael's College)
21: Dan Lavelle (Cistercian College Roscrea)
22: Tommy Whittle (St. Gerard's School)
23: James Lappin (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/10405.php

FrannoFan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The Leinster u18 Schools team to face Ulster on Saturday
15: Jack Power (Blackrock College)
14: Con Callan (St. Gerard's School)
13: Colm Mulcahy (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
12: Matthew Gilsenan (St. Michael's College)
11: Tim Carroll (Cistercian College Roscrea)
10: Jimmy O'Brien (Newbridge College)
9: David Duggan (St. Michael's College)
1: Eoghan Byrne (Gonzaga College SJ)
2: Jonny Molony (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
3: Sean O'Hare (Castleknock College)
4: Rob Lalor (Terenure College)
5: James Ryan (St. Michael's College)
6: Charlie Cregan (St. Michael's College)
7: Will Connors (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
8: Greg Jones (St. Andrew's College)
Replacements:
16: Hugo Keane (Blackrock College)
17: Martin Mulhall (Kilkenny College)
18: James Bollard (St. Michael's College)
19: Michael Melia (Terenure College)
20: Max Deegan (St. Michael's College)
21: Dan Lavelle (Cistercian College Roscrea)
22: Tommy Whittle (St. Gerard's School)
23: James Lappin (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/10405.php

Great to see such a spread of schools represented. Shows the standards across the province are high.

the baby bull elephant

Mary's beat Gonzaga 38-10.