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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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    #3422
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭plodder


    I see there's a second crane onsite now at the new control tower. I presume that means they are about to start lifting some heavier stuff into place on top of the concrete shaft. Might try and get a photo later as it's a very impressive looking machine.


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    #3423
    [Deleted User]
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    plodder wrote: »
    I see there's a second crane onsite now at the new control tower. I presume that means they are about to start lifting some heavier stuff into place on top of the concrete shaft. Might try and get a photo later as it's a very impressive looking machine.

    Lower portion of the cab will be lifted in to place shortly.


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    #3424
    roadmaster
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lower portion of the cab will be lifted in to place shortly.

    Serious amount of people out there with cameras pointing towards the tower


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    #3425
    [Deleted User]
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    roadmaster wrote: »
    Serious amount of people out there with cameras pointing towards the tower

    Meh I'll wait till they put the proper cab on and not just the collar.;)


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    #3426
    tb66
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    Heres a few pics from new tower site earlier.Was sore on the neck looking up that high...


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    #3427
    plodder
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    And to prove that the triangular peg actually does fit in the triangular slot, here's one taken about 20 minutes ago.


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    #3428
    roadmaster
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    I seen a girl from arups using what i think was a total station at the time back towards the runway. Would she of being doing height calulations or something or was it something totally different


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    #3429
    tb66
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    plodder wrote: »
    And to prove that the triangular peg actually does fit in the triangular slot, here's one taken about 20 minutes ago.

    Coudnt wait to see that, wind picked up and they stalled... They finished, obviously..


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    #3430
    plodder
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    antob wrote: »
    Coudnt wait to see that, wind picked up and they stalled... They finished, obviously..
    They seemed to be getting ready to lift the second section this morning.


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    #3431
    tb66
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    plodder wrote: »
    They seemed to be getting ready to lift the second section this morning.
    Was talking to some of the "Bam construction" guys yesterday.Even they were not sure when next stage would happen. Might take a spin up later and see if 2nd part is on way up..


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    #3432
    Mebuntu
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    Quote from the Aer Lingus thread:
    75% of the time when I arrive back into Dublin I have to make a PA apologising for the delay in disembarking due to a lack of marshallers and then people to drive the jetbridge to the aircraft. If its the south stands then the punters are kept onboard whilst the marshalling staff run between flights as there are not enough of them.
    Why are marshallers still being used at DUB? No visual docking systems still even at "state of the art" T2?
    If all these staff were released for other duties maybe things wouldn't be so bad.


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    #3433
    Captain_Crash
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    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Quote from the Aer Lingus thread:

    Why are marshallers still being used at DUB? No visual docking systems still even at "state of the art" T2?
    If all these staff were released for other duties maybe things wouldn't be so bad.


    There's one Safedock at the stand Etihad use at T1. I've heard of plans to roll it out across the whole airport. But cant say when.


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    #3434
    Bussywussy
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    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Quote from the Aer Lingus thread:

    Why are marshallers still being used at DUB? No visual docking systems still even at "state of the art" T2?
    If all these staff were released for other duties maybe things wouldn't be so bad.


    There's one Safedock at the stand Etihad use at T1. I've heard of plans to roll it out across the whole airport. But cant say when.

    There's a few on T1 pier B 313c,314c,316c,318C


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    #3435
    [Deleted User]
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    Plans are in place to put them on nearly all stands (over 100 of them). Along with underground fuelling.


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    #3436
    Bussywussy
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Plans are in place to put them on nearly all stands (over 100 of them). Along with underground fuelling.

    It'll allow 409C be used for widebody aircraft too one it's installed there.


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    #3437
    Captain_Crash
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    Bussywussy wrote: »
    There's a few on T1 pier B 313c,314c,316c,318C


    Thanks for the clarification.


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    #3438
    Tenger
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    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Quote from the Aer Lingus thread:

    Why are marshallers still being used at DUB? No visual docking systems still even at "state of the art" T2?
    If all these staff were released for other duties maybe things wouldn't be so bad.
    I think the problem is more 'lack of stands' rather than 'lack of marshallers'.
    The quote about would be more related to the airline/handling agent that the airport itself.


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    #3439
    Bussywussy
    Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Bussywussy


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Bussywussy wrote: »
    There's a few on T1 pier B 313c,314c,316c,318C


    Thanks for the clarification.

    Some stands are mandatory too...313 or 314 I think...no marshalling allowed, I saw a guy get reamed by ops :-)


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    #3440
    Captain_Crash
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    Bussywussy wrote: »
    Some stands are mandatory too...313 or 314 I think...no marshalling allowed, I saw a guy get reamed by ops :-)


    I heard that yeah. Was told of a story during a windstorm last winter that a light had broke above the stand EY was about to park at. They couldn't use the stand and requested to use the next one over which had safedock but it was inop. They were told that becuase safedock is at that stand they weren't allowed have a marshall come out to them... in the end the light blowing in the wind was secured and they got into the original stand.


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    #3441
    Locker10a
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    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Bussywussy wrote: »
    Some stands are mandatory too...313 or 314 I think...no marshalling allowed, I saw a guy get reamed by ops :-)


    I heard that yeah. Was told of a story during a windstorm last winter that a light had broke above the stand EY was about to park at. They couldn't use the stand and requested to use the next one over which had safedock but it was inop. They were told that becuase safedock is at that stand they weren't allowed have a marshall come out to them... in the end the light blowing in the wind was secured and they got into the original stand.

    Is that an actual joke how ridiculous


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    #3442
    Mebuntu
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    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    . They were told that because safedock is at that stand they weren't allowed have a marshall come out to them
    Can someone provide an explanation as to why a marshaller was "not allowed". Not allowed by who(m)?


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    #3443
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Is that an actual joke how ridiculous


    Its what I was told


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    #3444
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    Most European airports allow an Ops vehicle to marshal you on stand if the guidance system fails.


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    #3445
    Brian CivilEng
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    I know there are some stands too where a marshaller would have to walk backwards onto the apron road if they are guiding a widebody onto stands, hence the automatic docking guidance was installed. There's also the EASA regulation that clearances from the plane to fixed objects have to be more if a marshaller is used instead of docking guidance.


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    #3446
    Irish Steve
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    Depending on the space between the hammerhead and the terminal structure, in some (widebody) cases, it's not possible for a marshaller to get far enough back from the nose of the aircraft to be seen by the crew. There is then also the problem that was just mentioned of roadways, and suddenly, one marshaller becomes 4, the man with the batons, a second person by the hammerhead line to indicate when the nosewheel is on the line, and two other people to ensure that a vehicle doesn't get into the sight lines at a critical moment. On some stands, there can also be issues with the marshaller being able to see the people who are (supposed to be) there to ensure wing tip clearance.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #3447
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    Irish Steve wrote: »
    Depending on the space between the hammerhead and the terminal structure, in some (widebody) cases, it's not possible for a marshaller to get far enough back from the nose of the aircraft to be seen by the crew. There is then also the problem that was just mentioned of roadways, and suddenly, one marshaller becomes 4, the man with the batons, a second person by the hammerhead line to indicate when the nosewheel is on the line, and two other people to ensure that a vehicle doesn't get into the sight lines at a critical moment. On some stands, there can also be issues with the marshaller being able to see the people who are (supposed to be) there to ensure wing tip clearance.

    See, if people would stop automatically jumping to conclusions that things are ridiculous without first seeking an explanation we could have saved ourselves half a dozen posts of outrage. Usually there is a very good reason why something is done.

    I’ve seen videos of Marshallers having to stand on top of steps at some airports to be seen by the pilots.


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    #3448
    Jacovs
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’ve seen videos of Marshallers having to stand on top of steps at some airports to be seen by the pilots.

    Happens at least twice a day in DUB when the Emirates arrives on 400C. Steps left there permanently for that reason only.

    Think a smaller set of steps on 408C in use while construction still going on at T2.


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    #3449
    Captain_Crash
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    Locker10a wrote: »
    Is that an actual joke how ridiculous


    By chance, last night I met up with the person working during the incident I mentioned yesterday, so I asked him again what happened. Admittedly I got a couple of aspects wrong, but briefly it was the following;


    • EY had arrived during one of the heavy storms last winter
    • A fixing holding a light was blowing in the wind (he didn't mention if it broke, just that it was blowing around) and interfered with the safedock, which he said can be very temperamental at the best of times
    • EY requested a marshaller but were told that they were not permitted on that particular stand, he recalls it being 316 but isn't 100% certain


    I said yesterday they had requested another stand but that was incorrect. The fixing was secured and EY eventually taxied in. I hope that provides some clarity and apologies for posting about an incident where my memory wasn't as accurate as I believed.


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    #3450
    Kev11491
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    Can anyone tell me if there is a particular reason why you have to go into the south gates building only to go back out to the bus again? I know it doesn't seem like a big deal but it at least adds a couple of minutes to the bus boarding and seems a bit pointless. Surely walking straight to the buses like other airlines do is a bit more efficient?


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    #3451
    Jacovs
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    Kev11491 wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me if there is a particular reason why you have to go into the south gates building only to go back out to the bus again? I know it doesn't seem like a big deal but it at least adds a couple of minutes to the bus boarding and seems a bit pointless. Surely walking straight to the buses like other airlines do is a bit more efficient?

    I would hazard a guess that by sending people straight into the south gates they can wait there if no bus is available, and have some facilities.
    That means the aircraft can be cleaned and serviced and crew can leave, not sit onboard waiting for a bus with the passengers.
    Im sure there are other reasons too.


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