Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Brendan Bendar

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

16/34 was closed most of the summer for narrowing, so wouldn't have been able to impact 28R construction anyway.

Indeed , so is it closed for the next period while 28R is still under construction.

Captain_Crash

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Indeed , so is it closed for the next period while 28R is still under construction.

Back open now... its been in user for most of today

Brendan Bendar

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Back open now... its been in user for most of today

Has it impacted on activity on 28R and 10L ?

Captain_Crash

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Has it impacted on activity on 28R and 10L ?

If you mean construction activity then not anymore no as the intersection is complete. It doesn't impact the remaining areas of construction.

Brendan Bendar

Captain_Crash wrote: »

If you mean construction activity then not anymore no as the intersection is complete. It doesn't impact the remaining areas of construction.

Yes that’s what I meant, thanks for that.

Can I take it that work on the 28R/10L can carry on untrammeled by any activity on 16/34 on into the future.

Of course the final sign out of the new control tower will impact the opening date of the Northern Runway too, if I am correct ?

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yes that’s what I meant, thanks for that.

Can I take it that work on the 28R/10L can carry on untrammeled by any activity on 16/34 on into the future.

Of course the final sign out of the new control tower will impact the opening date of the Northern Runway too, if I am correct ?

Work continues on the 10L/28R, even now that 16/34 is back in use (since 8 October - the date on which the existing runway was re-designated 10R/28L. If you listen to ATC and aircraft now, they refer to the southern runway in that way)

The new tower will be brought into use well in advance of the North Runway (as was done in Calgary, for instance)

AnRothar

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It's the dead centre of Dublin as the old joke goes

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You were the only one to get it, showing our age🤔

RadioRetro

The Dublin Airport Twitter account has posted some new photos of progress on the north runway.

https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1334149170115080193

Kermit.de.frog

Yeah but what about the ridiculous planning restrictions placed on it's operation? Have they been changed?

roadmaster

Why was concrete chosen over blacktop?

roadmaster

roadmaster wrote: »

Why was concrete chosen over blacktop?

Concrete better for heavier aircraft, it’s a rigid surface. Asphalt used for resurfacing after 25+ years. Asphalt a flexible surface - mainly used for runways at GA airports.

Life cycle costs also a determining factor.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

Concrete better for heavier aircraft, it’s a rigid surface. Asphalt used for resurfacing after 25+ years. Asphalt a flexible surface - mainly used for runways at GA airports.

Life cycle costs also a determining factor.

More expensive too, I would suggest.

Viscount Aggro

Whats story with landowners blocking the development..
near the roundabout.
Is it a ransom strip ?

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

Concrete better for heavier aircraft, it’s a rigid surface. Asphalt used for resurfacing after 25+ years. Asphalt a flexible surface - mainly used for runways at GA airports.

Life cycle costs also a determining factor.

Correct Robert, also concrete can be grooved to help avoid water build up, and is better at preventing ‘shine’ from wet runways.

Also is better at resisting damage from ‘jet blast’ on rotation which can degrade the asphalt somewhat quicker and increase the maintenance cycle.

General Aviation airports as Robert pointed out would not have those issues usually.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

More expensive too, I would suggest.

Not in the long run. The concrete surface should last in excess of 25 years. Marshall Asphalt maybe 15; 20 at best.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Correct Robert, also concrete can be grooved to help avoid water build up, and is better at preventing ‘shine’ from wet runways.

Also is better at resisting damage from ‘jet blast’ on rotation which can degrade the asphalt somewhat quicker and increase the maintenance cycle.

General Aviation airports as Robert pointed out would not have those issues usually.

The new runway will be grooved. Concrete runways also don't suffer from abrasion and scuffing when aircraft turn, especially when exiting the runway at some speed after landing on one of the Rapid Exit Taxiways (RETs)

Jack1985

Has there been any intention specified as to if both runways 10L/28R and 10R/28L will be dual ops or designated for landing or departure only during specific periods? With duals ops it would be beneficial in facilitating short taxi's for FR on the Northern side and EI on the South. Clearly some flight's will seek to take advantage of the extra meters on the Northern Runway when required.

LXFlyer

Jack1985 wrote: »

Has there been any intention specified as to if both runways 10L/28R and 10R/28L will be dual ops or designated for landing or departure only during specific periods? With duals ops it would be beneficial in facilitating short taxi's for FR on the Northern side and EI on the South. Clearly some flight's will seek to take advantage of the extra meters on the Northern Runway when required.

The planning permission was granted on the basis of 31 conditions, including these below, at least one of which (the restriction on night time movements) is being appealed by DAA (see here - https://www.dublinairport.com/corporate/north-runway/operating-conditions)

(a) the parallel runways (10R-28L and 10L-28R) shall be used in preference to the cross runway, 16-34,

(b) when winds are westerly, Runway 28L shall be preferred for arriving aircraft. Either Runway 28L or 28R shall be used for departing aircraft as determined by air traffic control,

(c) when winds are easterly, either Runway 10L or 10R as determined by air traffic control shall be preferred for arriving aircraft. Runway 10R shall be preferred for departing aircraft, and

(d) Runway 10L-28R shall not be used for take-off or landing between 2300 hours and 0700 hours,

except in cases of safety, maintenance considerations, exceptional air traffic conditions, adverse weather, technical faults in air traffic control systems or declared emergencies at other airports.

The crosswind runway (16-34) shall be restricted to essential occasional use on completion of the new runway in accordance with Objective DA03 of the Fingal County Development Plan, 2005-2011. ‘Essential’ use shall be interpreted as use when required by international regulations for safety reasons.

On completion of construction of the runway hereby permitted, the average number of night time aircraft movements at the airport shall not exceed 65/night (between 2300 hours and 0700 hours) when measured over the 92 day modelling period as set out in the reply to the further information request received by An Bord Pleanála on the 5th day of March, 2007.

Jack1985

LXFlyer wrote: »

The planning permission was granted on the basis of 31 conditions, including these below, at least one of which (the restriction on night time movements) is being appealed by DAA (see here - https://www.dublinairport.com/corporate/north-runway/operating-conditions)

(a) the parallel runways (10R-28L and 10L-28R) shall be used in preference to the cross runway, 16-34,

(b) when winds are westerly, Runway 28L shall be preferred for arriving aircraft. Either Runway 28L or 28R shall be used for departing aircraft as determined by air traffic control,

(c) when winds are easterly, either Runway 10L or 10R as determined by air traffic control shall be preferred for arriving aircraft. Runway 10R shall be preferred for departing aircraft, and

(d) Runway 10L-28R shall not be used for take-off or landing between 2300 hours and 0700 hours,

except in cases of safety, maintenance considerations, exceptional air traffic conditions, adverse weather, technical faults in air traffic control systems or declared emergencies at other airports.

The crosswind runway (16-34) shall be restricted to essential occasional use on completion of the new runway in accordance with Objective DA03 of the Fingal County Development Plan, 2005-2011. ‘Essential’ use shall be interpreted as use when required by international regulations for safety reasons.

On completion of construction of the runway hereby permitted, the average number of night time aircraft movements at the airport shall not exceed 65/night (between 2300 hours and 0700 hours) when measured over the 92 day modelling period as set out in the reply to the further information request received by An Bord Pleanála on the 5th day of March, 2007.

Thanks for that! And it's that last point the DAA want rid of, it's one of the busiest periods, probably more possible now when Economic recovery in 2021 will be encouraged.

Shedite27

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Whats story with landowners blocking the development..
near the roundabout.
Is it a ransom strip ?

Where?

The booklet on this Dublin Airport website provides information on the proposed runway usage once parallel runway operations are started

https://www.dublinairport.com/docs/default-source/resources/consultation-on-flight-paths-and-change-to-permitted-operations.pdf?sfvrsn=bcef6a63_2

Brendan Bendar

https://issuu.com/daapublishing/docs/north_runway_2020_-_through_the_lens?fr=sMzM3MzE3NjE5NTg%20%5Ct%20_blank


This may have been posted here before, but in case it haven’t , I’m sure it would interest folk.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://issuu.com/daapublishing/docs/north_runway_2020_-_through_the_lens?fr=sMzM3MzE3NjE5NTg%20%5Ct%20_blank


This may have been posted here before, but in case it haven’t , I’m sure it would interest folk.

That’s hot off the press.

A Dub in Glasgo

What is going on here?

jamo2oo9

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What is going on here?

By law by EASA, taxiways can only cross runways at 90 degrees to allow taxiing aircraft full view of the runway. It's to prevent runway incursions and this practise is the best method to avoid it.

Captain_Crash

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

By law by EASA, taxiways can only cross runways at 90 degrees to allow taxiing aircraft full view of the runway. It's to prevent runway incursions and this practise is the best method to avoid it.

It’s not law per se.... it’s just “advised” which still means... effing do it!!

Irish Steve

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What is going on here?

There's also the 16 glideslope antenna that makes it necessary to go behind to avoid signal disruption, and a second stop line to prevent aircraft affecting the beam.

basill

Lets hope FR can deal with all these shenanigans on 28R and those of us dwelling in T2 can avoid the excessive braking and putting the passengers into the back of the seat rests.

Brendan Bendar

basill wrote: »

Lets hope FR can deal with all these shenanigans on 28R and those of us dwelling in T2 can avoid the excessive braking and putting the passengers into the back of the seat rests.

trellheim

I think OP is referring to hard braking on 28L to get one of the early exits which I've never seen myself