Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

reelingtheyearsin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119223227#Comment_119223227

I read it on another forum, but it seemed to be from someone with first hand knowledge.

Phen2206

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222570#Comment_119222570

Indeed I heard this too but it wasn't for the foreseeable future as such which could imply years; we're talking more like a number of months before ATC gradually build up use of the new runway. I'd expect it to be operational for much more of the day by next summer. It will be a big jump for an airport to go from single runway ops to parallel runway ops so they will ramp up slowly and most importantly, safely to make sure all parties are comfortable with the new operation.

Jamie2k9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119225293#Comment_119225293

I beleive gradual build up from 2 hours up to 12 hours from 7am however after the inital 09-11 they will extend off peak before working back towards 7am.

Then they lift current slot limits and start dual departures from March 2023.

moonshy2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119225330#Comment_119225330

Not true, it’s mainly staffing, apron and 28L being dug up and repaired or some new taxiways being added. The rest is management spin.

Phen2206

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119227244#Comment_119227244

Oh right OK thanks. So what is going to happen in terms of the opening and ramp up of movements on the new runway? Is it going to stay at 2h per day indefinately?

rameire

Looks like the document on Noise and using of the New Runway has been released.

https://www.fingal.ie/aircraftnoiseca/documents-f20a0668

Unsure of outcome at the moment.

rameire

First Condition: Condition 5 of the North Runway Planning Permission shall be revoked and replaced with a Night-time Noise Quota Scheme as described in the First Condition. 

Second Condition: Condition 3(d) of the North Runway Planning Permission shall be revised to apply over the period 00:00 to 05:59 as set out in the Second Condition.

Third Condition: A Night-Time Residential Sound Insulation Grant Scheme shall be provided in line with Third Condition

bikeman1

This seems like a much more sensible outcome and what the airport needs to continue to operate efficiently into the future. As we know the late wave coming in at 22:45 - 00:00 and then the 06:00 - 07:30 departures in the morning are exactly what we need the parallel runway for, and this will make this possible. Getting that first wave out efficiently in the morning is key to keeping DUB operations running smoothly for the rest of the day.

moonshy2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119227899#Comment_119227899

They'll try and run more than 2 hours but there is massive airfield works to be done over the winter. Expect it to be single runway ops for large periods and no major improvement till summer 2023.

HTCOne

UA have the 764 on the early EWR rotation and the 763 on the later one now. Big increase in capacity there. AA have the 772 on CLT, ACA the 77W on YYZ. The NA carriers are certainly throwing capacity at DUB it seems. No wonder they are kicking off in the media over security delays.

davebuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230735#Comment_119230735

Available stands must be a big issue now in T2 with all the USA flights now nearly all back running again and I don't think there's any temporary workaround until the new pier is built beside the 400 gates.

EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236440#Comment_119236440

Difficulties are compounded by delayed departures, leading to arriving aircraft having to hold on taxiways - on occasion for an hour or more - while they await their stand.

xper

Indeed. Having one or two of the latter trans Atlantic arrival sitting on S or W1 waiting for a stand on Pier 4 to be vacated by a late departing aircraft seems a daily occurrence.

Tenger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236829#Comment_119236829

Its almost as if Terminal 2 (and the associated airport works) weren't actually a "white elephant" as trumpeted by a certain CEO (and innumerable taxi drivers) 12-13 years ago.

HTCOne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236941#Comment_119236941

Indeed, although it was put in a terrible location.

IngazZagni

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236941#Comment_119236941

MOL in my rare defence of him was never against the idea of T2. He was in favour of it. What he was against was the cost and design of it. He called it a glorified shopping centre with not enough aircraft parking spaces. He wanted it run independently of the DAA. The lack of aircraft stands in absolutely true. The same comment applies to the North runway. In favour of it but not in favour of the cost.

Hotblack Desiato

He shouldn't complain, the shopping centre is what keeps his landing charges down.

A320

DAA Confirming 24th August for 28R/10L ops

Astral Nav

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236440#Comment_119236440

Needed but then you would have even more aircraft that need to taxi right through the F1/E1 departure queue. The T2 pier was built too near 28L and with a double cul de sac. It would need a displaced threshold for 28L or a demolition of the last couple of gates to rectify it. Amazing the media never caught up on the ineptitude of the DAA’s T2 build. Let’s not mention the genius of the swing gates which make over half of T2 gates unusable if there is a delayed TA on an inconvenient gate.

HTCOne

The lack of stands is being exasperated by lack of staff in various areas. Disabled passengers are left waiting for wheelchairs, meaning arriving cabin crew cannot clock off, and the aircraft cannot be refuelled on stand until they are off. Aircraft are being delayed departing due this and security delays, meaning they are late home, meaning they are waiting for gates and blocking gates for flights on schedule. Aircraft waiting for gates are blocking taxiways. It is not unique to DUB by any means, Aircraft which have already been delayed are subsequently delayed on the ground at destinations such as AMS, LHR and CDG in particular. There are not enough bodies to meet the demand. Oh and I forgot a special mention for shortages in ground marshals and baggage handlers everywhere.

In recent weeks ATC strikes in France and Italy have increased delays also. The Fire Crews in CDG also striked recently, reducing aircraft movements.

Blut2

Air travel is just a complete mess all over Europe right now. Hopefully once the peak summer season starts to wind down at the end of August, and by which time you'd hope more staff will have been hired, things start to improve.

Bsal

IAA have published some information in regards to the opening of the new runway.

A320

New runway will be initially open from 0900 to 1300 daily, after a few days from 0700 to 1300, 0700 to 1800 in September

Blut2

Great news. It'll hopefully help with some of the summer congestion.

Bsal

Some operational info

goingnowhere

10R is preferred for departure, oh dear. They really don't want anyone flying over Portmarnock do they

10R is the biggest operational constraint under normal conditions in Dublin, with landing on 10L this will improve significantly but for a MTOW departure on wet runway for anything bigger than a 320/737 10L is going to be needed.

The A321LR needs every meter to get more fuel and weight out of DUB

Hotblack Desiato

No point building a new runway and then hamstringing it with policies which prevent you taking full advantage of it.

EchoIndia

It will surely come to a head sooner or later, with operators insisting that they require 10L for certain departures when the wind is easterly. If the regulatory position prevents such operations, then further revisions will have to be made.

Locker10a

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119428577#Comment_119428577

It does say “ preferential“ so I don’t that as being any particular runway can’t be used, so I’m sure operational requests will be accepted

HTCOne

Indeed. If someone is coming in in the middle of the night with a braking or hydraulic issue and needs the longer runway realistically they are not going to be told to go elsewhere.....I hope.