Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Jack1985

lxflyer wrote: »

The civilianisation process is underway, but is not due for completion until the end of the year.

The process had nothing to do with the DAA, but rather the Department of Justice and INIS/GNIB.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Minister%20Fitzgerald%20announces%20major%20immigration%20civilianisation%20initiative

Ah right! Thanks

lord lucan

Jack1985 wrote: »

That's absolutely terrible, did the DAA learn nothing from the UK Border Force delays up until recently?

And this is why the daa have been going mental to get this issue sorted as it's a reflection on the airport even if it's out of their hands.

(sorry jack1985, not picking on you, just your post exemplified the point perfectly.)

LoonyLovegood

Flying back from Lanzarote last summer, we were one of about six Ryanair flights that got in in a ten minute window. They'd closed the double doors between passport control and the 1xx gates, leaving everyone stranded for twenty minutes until someone bothered coming along and opening them. It's a really bad impression, especially when you're arriving in after 11.

Jamie2k9

Plenty of people not happy about the fuel line to the airport which has being submitted for planning approval!

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Plenty of people not happy about the fuel line to the airport which has being submitted for planning approval!

Presumably they are also worried about the natural gas pipes that run along every road too?

Jamie2k9

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Plenty of people not happy about the fuel line to the airport which has being submitted for planning approval!

Far safer to have it drive along the roads in tankers :rolleyes:

basill

And the overhead power lines that kills cows in the fields....apparently. That's the problem with democracy. You let the tree hungers have a vote.

Mebuntu

markpb wrote: »

I've never seen anything like that. I presume something happened to create a situation like that?

I faced the same (even longer queue) situation on arrival in T1 Dublin last Friday so it was not a one-off. The Security people in charge seem to operate on the basis that only one plane disembarks at a time. They appear to have no comprehension that, for example, in the evening a whole bunch of Ryanair arrivals can offload nearly 1,000 customers but there is still only one booth open until they send for more staff but, by the time they arrive, the queue is winding around and back up the stairs. There appears to be an unwillingness to prepare in advance for a spate of arrivals and/or they couldn't be bothered to look it up.

Unless someone directs them to get the finger out Dublin's reputation will be tarnished.

Tenger

Mebuntu wrote: »

..... There appears to be an unwillingness to prepare in advance .........

Oh hello Irish civil service planning and bureaucracy!

FWVT

Mebuntu wrote: »

I faced the same (even longer queue) situation on arrival in T1 Dublin last Friday so it was not a one-off. The Security people in charge seem to operate on the basis that only one plane disembarks at a time. They appear to have no comprehension that, for example, in the evening a whole bunch of Ryanair arrivals can offload nearly 1,000 customers but there is still only one booth open until they send for more staff but, by the time they arrive, the queue is winding around and back up the stairs. There appears to be an unwillingness to prepare in advance for a spate of arrivals and/or they couldn't be bothered to look it up.

Unless someone directs them to get the finger out Dublin's reputation will be tarnished.

It's lucky then that they barely examine the passports and almost wave you through. Try somewhere like Germany or Italy, where they actually do what they're supposed to do and give it more than a mere cursory glance.

veetwin

FWVT wrote: »

It's lucky then that they barely examine the passports and almost wave you through. Try somewhere like Germany or Italy, where they actually do what they're supposed to do and give it more than a mere cursory glance.

Apparently the amount of passengers travelling on false documents out of Italy to UK and Ireland has reached ridiculous proportions. All supposedly exit checked by Italian immigration.

18MonthsaSlave

veetwin wrote: »

Apparently the amount of passengers travelling on false documents out of Italy to UK and Ireland has reached ridiculous proportions. All supposedly exit checked by Italian immigration.

Italy have a policy to let illegal immigrants pass through; they figure the whole of Europe should bear the burden.
German police are something else. I'm a regular traveler and they leave you standing in front of them long enough to feel uncomfortable, scan passport which takes an eternity and then look you square in the eye for a few seconds to see if you'll flinch. backpack got comprehensively swabbed last week too with walk through scanners much more sensitive than the ones on the Irish side.

bk

What about those e-passport automatic gates? I almost never see them being used.

Dardania

lord lucan wrote: »

And this is why the daa have been going mental to get this issue sorted as it's a reflection on the airport even if it's out of their hands.

(sorry jack1985, not picking on you, just your post exemplified the point perfectly.)

Jack1985 wrote: »

Understand it's under the remit of the INIS, didn't the DAA have a major push for civil servants to run passport control (INIS instead of GNIB) to avoid these sort of issues? What's gone on?

It's a pain that DAA can't control the civil service.

What DAA do have in their control is where the UK flights come into - they don't require passport checks. So those travellers should bypass passport control...

LiamaDelta

I really can't understand why they put all the UK flights through the immigration booths. They could cut the throughput in half if they just organised themselves properly. Almost every airport in the UK has a corridor that bypasses immigration for UK & Irish arrivals, and lands you directly into the baggage hall. They can even manage it in Heathrow terminal 5...but Dublin?. It's a pity because I find Dublin to be one of the best all-round airports for service, size, nice staff etc.

I understand it's probably at the request of the INIS rather than the DAA's fault for not providing the facility to do it. Each has different priorities I guess. One doesn't get rewarded for short queues and one doesn't have to take responsibility for immigration. Still, incredibly frustrating. Particularly if it's so important to check ALL passports then surely more than a cursory glance should be given. Rant over. Thread tangent over also!

markpb

bk wrote: »

What about those e-passport automatic gates? I almost never see them being used.

I've only used them once but they were painfully slow, certainly no faster than going to a human.

Belfunk

markpb wrote: »

I've only used them once but they were painfully slow, certainly no faster than going to a human.

Used these last summer with a brand new passport and the two machines i tried wouldn't scan my passport. Ended up having to go over to the booths and show it there.

MJohnston

markpb wrote: »

I've only used them once but they were painfully slow, certainly no faster than going to a human.

Yeah, but the thing is, they don't need to be faster, because they can all be active 24/7, and they can fit a lot more of them in than staffed booths.

Chris_5339762

LiamaDelta wrote: »

I really can't understand why they put all the UK flights through the immigration booths. They could cut the throughput in half if they just organised themselves properly. Almost every airport in the UK has a corridor that bypasses immigration for UK & Irish arrivals, and lands you directly into the baggage hall. They can even manage it in Heathrow terminal 5...but Dublin?. It's a pity because I find Dublin to be one of the best all-round airports for service, size, nice staff etc.

I understand it's probably at the request of the INIS rather than the DAA's fault for not providing the facility to do it. Each has different priorities I guess. One doesn't get rewarded for short queues and one doesn't have to take responsibility for immigration. Still, incredibly frustrating. Particularly if it's so important to check ALL passports then surely more than a cursory glance should be given. Rant over. Thread tangent over also!

Thats a bugbear of mine, it really irritates me. Gatwick have just 'installed' a no passport entry via a seperate hall into the arrivals area for UK/Channel Islands. You used to have to join the main queue and just show your boarding card, but they even got rid of that.

I'm sure they have their reasons here for what they do, I hope its not apathy, laziness or the status quo, but it really annoys me when I land in Dublin from the UK and have to show a passport. Not because it bugs me having to show ID, but because I didn't have to do it going the other way and it slows everything down so much.

de biz

Reference Gatwick,they were using buses for our EI flight to that UK/CI channel.Anyone know is that going to be a permanent arrangement?

Jamie2k9

The new daa lounger after USPC is a welcome development

LXFlyer

de biz wrote: »

Reference Gatwick,they were using buses for our EI flight to that UK/CI channel.Anyone know is that going to be a permanent arrangement?

I'd imagine so - that way they can segregate passengers from the CTA and those from outside the CTA.


That was the issue at Heathrow too until gate 78-90 arrived.


I'd imagine that the UK Border Agency felt it would be too easy to breach.


They'd need gates with a dedicated CTA inbound lane.

MJohnston

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The new daa lounger after USPC is a welcome development

There is? Oh thank goodness!

IngazZagni

Apparently the Irish Government changed the rules in 1997 so that only Irish or UK citizens don't have to show their passport on UK-Ireland flights and as these flights will often have people from outside these regions they put everyone through passport control. Irish or UK citizens apparently only need to show their boarding pass and a form of photo ID.

Many UK airports also suffer from outrageously long passport control queues everyday, many with waiting times over an hour and it's a big issue their too. Again these occur at rush hour times in the morning and around 11pm at night.

Jamie2k9

MJohnston wrote: »

There is? Oh thank goodness!

Expected to open by November.

Crumbs868

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Expected to open by November.

Wonder how it will work, will they accept ff cards or will it be like the normal DAA lounge where you have to pay €20 pp?

Razor44

Quick question about the west apron, as i understand it cant be used for, say busing passengers out to aircraft on stands there? as it has no water to the stands etc, is security also a problem? just wondering if anyone could shed some light on why its pretty much a failure? or was it supposed to be an overflow? iv always wondered why its hardly used.

billie1b

Razor44 wrote: »

Quick question about the west apron, as i understand it cant be used for, say busing passengers out to aircraft on stands there? as it has no water to the stands etc, is security also a problem? just wondering if anyone could shed some light on why its pretty much a failure? or was it supposed to be an overflow? iv always wondered why its hardly used.

The west Aprons intended use is for the 2nd wave of the 1st wave departures, there's not enough space to park all the a/c on the apron so they're towed there over night and towed back in the morning as the stands become available

Razor44

billie1b wrote: »

The west Aprons intended use is for the 2nd wave of the 1st wave departures, there's not enough space to park all the a/c on the apron so they're towed there over night and towed back in the morning as the stands become available

ahhh okay, so in the middle of the night its quite busy?

billie1b

Razor44 wrote: »

ahhh okay, so in the middle of the night its quite busy?

Busy until around 02:30/03:00, nice and qiet then until around 5am