Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Tenger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287356#Comment_121287356

I believe this was called Pier F under an old proposal

jlang

Is there any scope to rearrange/replace the old A and B gates off T1 to give more boarding areas/stands? If they were to became additional two sided fingers jutting out as far as a line joining the end of the longer piers would that badly affect taxiing or other services that currently use this area between the terminals and the third runway? Or would that be a net loss if there are bus linked stands in that area?

Blut2

Thats a great, really informative, post xper. Thanks for that.

Murph85

breach the cap, its a farce and its not the DAA fault...

dublin12367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121291073#Comment_121291073

It is the daa’s fault. They should have applied to increase this long ago. 2017/18/19. It was already breached in 2019. They are getting around it by using the net figure (excluding transit traffic) but issue should have be sorted before now.

L1011

Any planning application for infrastructure made between March 2020 and late 2022 would have been met with screeches of derision and calls to withdraw it, so two years of potential progress are gone

dublin12367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121291212#Comment_121291212

I understand that, but the fact that the 32m was hit in 2019, an effort should have been made in 2018/19 to increase it. Why wait until it was breached? Why repeat that same mistake a second time this year? As soon as passenger numbers hit 28m last year it should have been looked at.

The cap is ridiculous but it’s there. It should have been sorted long before now even taking into account Covid.

Murph85

whaat if the pathetic council , likely refuse to increase the cap? why do they have any say in the matter? whats the logic, its totally ridiculous and national government need to take powers like this out of their hands, they are only doing it to flex muscle they shouldnt have and cause trouble...

Ben D Bus

What happens if flights are dropped but load factors increase and the airport hits 32 million in mid-December?

Nobody gets home for Christmas?

Even if the cap is calculated as reached based on advance bookings, sales get halted and nobody can book a Christmas flight come November?

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121291276#Comment_121291276

Its ireland, world leader in banana republics... I can see flights dublin bound being turned around mid air when some passenger counter DCC have installed in the airport, hits the 32,0000,000. 911 esque drama...

dublin12367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121291276#Comment_121291276

They aren’t expected to hit 32 million net passengers this year so that will not be an issue. It will be 32m+ gross however.

The current talks are to try and keep it below 32m net for 2024. I’m not sure if even this satisfies the planning but at the very least it looks like daa did something to not breach the cap??

However, like another poster suggested I would think both these talks with airlines and EI slamming the daa are likely just to make some noise so that the future planning application is accepted when it’s lodged. Just my own opinion, not a fact.

Ryanair are likely not too far behind with their criticism of said talks with the daa and airlines.

Aer Lingus are right to be p1ssed, besides the cap thing US cbp area is at capacity (and Aer Lingus European customers have to suffer the consequences by having to use that crappy remote terminal via bus or another example being the emerald air over near the maintenance hangers) and DAA let a new airline in and the other side of their mouth tell Aer Lingus that they might need to watch their numbers. DAA being too greedy

Facthunt

Has the airport truly recovered since the pandemic?

Used to work in aviation!

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121292654#Comment_121292654

Traffic figures are higher than pre-pandemic. There is a slightly different profile to routes (more sun, less business) and also business/economy cabin mix

EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121292621#Comment_121292621

If you use enough airports around Europe and the UK, you will find that bussing passengers to aircraft and the use of relatively basic terminal and boarding facilities is far from unusual. As for "letting another airline in", there are numerous other airlines operating into DUB, and Aer Lingus has long lost the position of dominance that it had before deregulation in Europe. The scale of JetBlue's intended operation, even if expanded somewhat on the initial plans, is probably not a major concern for Aer Lingus, considering that Delta, United and American are alrerady on the pitch, with sizeable operations during the summer months in particular.

shamrocka330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121292893#Comment_121292893

I think the point being made is that EI have a right to be annoyed at the DAA for telling them to restrict flights (at an airport which, less face it, needs a lot of work to improve the facilities) but at the same time are adding new airlines like B6 - where will their aircraft park and how will USCBP cope?….the point wasn’t about EI being annoyed with new competition on their US routes.

Can’t understand how an airport operator, who release a fancy master plan with new pier designs, terminal extensions and all these great plans every few years for the last 20 years, can be in the predicament that they find themselves in now.

But the airlines are told to reduce the number of ad-hoc flights?

@EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121292939#Comment_121292939

Thank you, not sure why @EchoIndia had to be so argumentative.

sparrowcar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121293170#Comment_121293170

In what way was he argumentative?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121293198#Comment_121293198

I made some valid points and all their reply tries to do is belittle my points (little digs like if you travel to another airport in Europe…) . I don’t understand that posting style to be honest, why would anyone contribute to this sub forum if that’s the standard of interaction (going around trying to dismantle peoples posts, no acknowledgment of what’s been posted just using it as an opportunity to try belittle someone’s input).

moonshy2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121293263#Comment_121293263

But that’s the way a discussion works ! You make points and they discuss YOUR points. To be honest I don’t find their post argumentative or belittling. In fairness here Elliot Brief Wall your post uses a lot of inflammatory language, your post initiates the argumentative discussion (p1ssed, crappy, greedy). If you are going to come out swinging in a post then the very least you should be expecting is someone responding to you.

The DAA has merely said to the airlines watch what you are scheduling here folks, we are near our total numbers cap and Ad Hoc flights are pushing us close. It’s the DAA that will get fined not the airlines and then ultimately Fingal may delay any limit increase which will then in turn hurt the airlines expansion plans.

Maybe you are misunderstanding the PR media game here. The airlines have to show they are p1ssed and ready to increase numbers, that the need is there. What should they be saying “ah nah we weren’t planning on growing so we don’t need a cap increase!”. It never ceases to surprise me that people swallow the “Ryanair want to charge people for using the oxygen in an airplane cabin” media guff. Stop readying the headline and start reading between the lines.

Also play the ball not the man, is a fundamental tenet of boards BTW.

Murph85

why is the cap there? due to traffic the airport generates or due to perceived building constraints? arent they all about sustainability and carbon footprint now? surely they should be delighted that the airport is being "sweated"...

L1011

Traffic and traffic alone.

Jamie2k9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121292939#Comment_121292939

The reality is Aer Lingus will not have to restrict flights!

Its very evident the DAA want more certainty from airlines when they submit final schedules and not for them to increase/reduce flights. Aer Lingus for example scrapping a lot of flgihts towards end of summer 2024 schedule 6-8 weeks could negetive impact other carriers who might have wanted to increase schedules but couldn't and vice versa.

Jamie2k9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121293774#Comment_121293774

There is no question of a delay and it wouldn't suprise me if this goes to ABP who's CBP decision is due before Christmas and taken at least 4 months.

Hopefully the time they are taking to submit helps secure a quicker outcome and addresses potential questions.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121291269#Comment_121291269

Agree completely.

Currently we seem to have a handful of incompetent cranks in Fingal County Council dictating aviation policy given the importance of Dublin Airport.

The government will have no choice but to take action because I can't see them standing over damage here.

moonshy2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121296338#Comment_121296338

This is it exactly. DAA can’t approve, let’s say AeroMexico, starting a 3-4x per week if EI have decided they are going to run a load of flights for the World Cup in Paris. Then like at the weekend all these flights get binned because Ireland gets knocked out. The DAA losses out on this short termism, then maybe in turn so do the airlines when they go to the DAA and ask to launch a flight to New Orleans for example. Sorry lads you can’t do that because you did this.

shamrocka330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121297858#Comment_121297858

Sorry, but is it not the DAA’s fault that the only way they can approve new routes is if other airlines reduce the number of flights that they operate? Surely the role of the DAA is to provide the necessary facilities for their customer, the airlines - who pay a lot of money for the service?

EI and FR saw a commercial opportunity to operate additional flights for the rugby to cater for the thousands that went to Paris. Imagine the uproar if they didn’t do that and what are the airlines meant to say in response - sorry, but the airport operator told us not to put on additional flights because they made a balls of managing capacity at the airport over the past 10 years….and they need any available capacity for new airlines that might come along.

L1011

The bulk of the added lift to France was not EI/FR, it was charters with travel agents such as TX 330s.

Next year's equivalent events as the Olympics - not known as a great trip creator - and the Euros that it is implausible (albeit somehow still not impossible) that Ireland qualify for.

This is a non-issue, for '24 and '25 at least. If Ireland somehow qualify for WC2026 there will be huge demand for TATL charters. 2027 Ryder Cup is likely to be all SNN.

moonshy2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121300143#Comment_121300143

Don’t ignore the 6 nations, any H Cup knock outs, the Aer Lingus Classic, the Europa league final in 2024. All which will attract large numbers of ad hoc trips.

Its doesn’t matter if it was or wasn’t EI/FR putting on ad hoc it’s as hoc that is the problem full stop. They are transient, they aren’t permanent. They eat the daas ability to allow extra permanent routes to the airlines.

moonshy2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121300057#Comment_121300057

Which completely ignores the CAR and now IAAs role in blocking the daas ability to do so by preventing them from developing the airport sufficiently. Has this not been done to death across this thread over the last decade or more ?