Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

timetogo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123319051#Comment_123319051

It'd be worse to go through all that planning and expense and then get the idiots in the council deny permission to demolish the ramp.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123319485#Comment_123319485

The equipment in a security lanes max throughput in terms of whatever people per hour. If more than whatever number turn up in an hour. The wait time grows. A few consecutive hours in excess would be chaos.
Check-in is similar. Part of the work to upgrade to 40m is expanding security and check in.

Arrivals is much more capable. I've always found arriving in dublin to be pretty smooth (one time my bag didn't turn was due to the clowns in LHR).

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123319563#Comment_123319563

As opposed to the time and money they wasted by asking to demolish the ramps to maybe build something, not sure what.
Whoever is advising the DAA on planning is doing a woeful job. There was surely a much better way to structure it, outline permission at least could have been a pathway if they truly were unsure of the specifies

timetogo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123319990#Comment_123319990

Yeah. Submitting the proposal to demolish the ramp is a lot cheaper. Surprised it was a question tbh.

No matter what they build in that space, the ramp is going to have to be demolished.

Economics101

The High Court has again suspended the Cap, pending rulings by the European Court of Justice. They also told the IAA to lay off taling the cap into account whan allocating slots.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/04/02/court-suspends-dublin-airport-passenger-cap-beyond-summer/

Talk about the Law's Delay, the courts once again show the politicians and bureaucrats up as being the ultimate at moving at snail's pace

DubToDeise

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123319485#Comment_123319485

Would the new security area on the mezzanine level not take care of that? Surely it's the easiest part of the Infrastructure Application to get approved?

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123320198#Comment_123320198

It’s cheaper upfront, but overall it would cost more to separate applications.

It will need to be demolished to build something of course. But when they get permission to build, it would include permission to demolish. They are not currently able to build, so no need to demolish.

At least including an outline for development “to future design and approval”. Removing it entirely was probably strategic, but a bad move imo.

jwm121

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123320434#Comment_123320434

The IAA knows the capacity of the physical infrastructure is just over 36m, will they only give slots up to this level or will the airport just grow to a huge mess of queues? This year will already be close enough to 36m won't it? Especially with winter now a free for all.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123324565#Comment_123324565

Fine, I assume if the IAA uses genuire ariport capacity to limit slots (note slots, not passenger numbers). What the High Court said (I assume) was to lay off using the FCC passenger cap to allocate slots, which is a different matter.

Idbatterim

There is no security q issue any more...

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123324565#Comment_123324565

There isn't a hard capacity ceiling at 36mn. There are various measures DAA can take to expand capacity without major physical infrastructure construction, the plans cater for up to 40mn pax with only marginal changes to the current set up. Its only beyond 40mn we'll be looking at a potential for T3 or other similar major improvements.

Kermit.de.frog

Pretty clear the bullsh!t is over. Dublin Airport can expand as it sees fit. As for the night flights thing, that's going to be thrown out too. We are entering an emergency economic situation and all of this rubbish is over.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123324565#Comment_123324565

IAA are concerned with slots, rather than total PAX. If an airline wants to have more half full planes taking off the IAA could facilitate that. They don't really care about bums on seats.
Enough of that and you change the peak/off-peak distribution and impact the 36m capacity.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325068#Comment_123325068

What do you basing that on?
As the DAA's own report indicates that the is limiting factor for departures.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325895#Comment_123325895

The expansion without physical infrastructure plan for 36m capacity. The infrastructure project is for 40m.

Though I'd be surprised if the infrastructure project was only able to add 4m in real capacity. I suspect much like the current design it would have similar redundancy to take it to 44/45m

Qaanaaq

dismantling the spiral ramps would allow for a decent extension to the security area in T1 or even join the two terminals together properly without the need for those corridor’s.

T1 is where the bulk of the numbers would grow anyway. T2 is more of a problem with gates and CBP at peak times.
Demand in T1 is more evenly spread out throughout the day than T2.

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123324565#Comment_123324565

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Be interesting to see the fallout from ‘liberation day’.

HTCOne

The IAA have over-reached by getting involved in the slot argument to begin with. Unless there is a valid safety argument, the Competent Authority (regulator) cannot restrict slots. That's Eurocontrol's remit only, via ACL. That's EC legislation. This is the basis for one of the cases in the High Court.

Denying slots to US carriers is also a breach of the EU-US Openskies agreement. Schipol denied slots to JetBlue a couple of years ago, JBU took them to court and won. Precedent is set. Airlines 4 America have a case in the High Court on this basis and they'll definitely win it based on the Schipol precedent. More tax payer money being wasted. DL announced DTW knowing that denying them slots would be illegal.