Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ok so you build a parallel runway system orientated 05/23 for the strongest winds that happen 1-2% of the year, what do you do when the winds blow hard from 310-320 as they do ? Use 34 and try squeeze 100% of the traffic through a runway only capable of handling 40% of the traffic load.

You've built a parallel runway system that either has to have all arrivals or all departures cross an active runway to get to the parallel runway or the terminal. Standard airport design usually has the terminal between the runway as per 28L and R but in the design of 23L/R the terminal is east of both runways and there is regular delays trying to cross an active runway and efficiency falls as a result.

But the winds never blow hard from 310 degrees. Never. Gusts much above 30 are almost unheard of. This is paramount to Shannon being least affected by wind diversions of any Irish airport, despite regularly getting the highest wind speeds.

Its too late now to do anything, but if these plans had been envisioned originally it would be more beneficial.

76 years too late.

medoc

Great responses. Interesting reading. 10/28 seems to work well enough from what I can see. It would be easy to start from scratch on a greenfield sight and get the optimum from it. But in the real world it's do the best that's economically and socially acceptable.

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medoc wrote: »

Great responses. Interesting reading. 10/28 seems to work well enough from what I can see. It would be easy to start from scratch on a greenfield sight and get the optimum from it. But in the real world it's do the best that's economically and socially acceptable.

It works well, but is badly affected by southerly winds in the winter, long delays and diversions are common, especially compared to other European airports owing to out Westerly location out in the Atlantic.

Even at London-Heathrow, which has Runway 27/09 L and R, there is controversy over the decision made years ago to remove RWY23/05. Although busier, Heathrow is much less affected by the winds that DUB would get.

medoc

Carnacalla wrote: »

It works well, but is badly affected by southerly winds in the winter, long delays and diversions are common, especially compared to other European airports owing to out Westerly location out in the Atlantic.

Even at London-Heathrow, which has Runway 27/09 L and R, there is controversy over the decision made years ago to remove RWY23/05. Although busier, Heathrow is much less affected by the winds that DUB would get.

Are planes becoming better at handeing these winds which might help reduce the amount of times like this? Though climate change mightn't help either.

reason vs religion

Speculation in this Spectator blog post that new government has decided to push ahead with third runway at Heathrow. Evidence fairly ambiguous though!

medoc

reason vs religion wrote: »

Speculation in this Spectator blog post that new government has decided to push ahead with third runway at Heathrow. Evidence fairly ambiguous though!

We need to get our second main runway done as quick as possible to make hay while the sun shines. It might be easier to hold the traffic we would have attracted rather than trying to compete against a 3 runway Heathrow.

Jamie2k9

medoc wrote: »

reason vs religion wrote: »

Speculation in this Spectator blog post that new government has decided to push ahead with third runway at Heathrow. Evidence fairly ambiguous though!

We need to get our second main runway done as quick as possible to make hay while the sun shines. It might be easier to hold the traffic we would have attracted rather than trying to compete against a 3 runway Heathrow.

RY3 at LHR will makw little difference to DUB.

Fattes

reason vs religion wrote: »

Speculation in this Spectator blog post that new government has decided to push ahead with third runway at Heathrow. Evidence fairly ambiguous though!

Considering the Minister responsible has probably not meet with their department yet, it is just that Idol speculation.

reason vs religion

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

RY3 at LHR will makw little difference to DUB.

That's an opinion. But, ignoring their actual likelihood, there are several scenarios under which Dublin would benefit to a greater or lesser degree from having a second runway before the arrival of Heathrow's third. They can't be summarily discounted.

Fattes wrote: »

Considering the Minister responsible has probably not meet with their department yet, it is just that Idol speculation.

The minister won't be responsible, though; it'll be a decision taken by cabinet, strongly influenced by the PM. May is very close with Hammond, and I have little doubt that each knows the other's opinion, even if they haven't formally discussed it.

Jamie2k9

That's an opinion. But, ignoring their actual likelihood, there are several scenarios under which Dublin would benefit to a greater or lesser degree from having a second runway before the arrival of Heathrow's third. They can't be summarily discounted.

DUB will have a second runway before tenders even go out at LHR however LHR getting a third runway will not have a major impact on passenger flows at DUB and I wouldn't worry about the impact on T/A services.

medoc

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

RY3 at LHR will makw little difference to DUB.

Well we will and do already need a parallel runway in any case. But would it not be beneficial for us to have it sooner than Heathrow runway 3 to gain some of the traffic that has to avoid Heathrow now?

TheFitz13

Going through the airport and saw RTE and BBC NI parked just before T2? Anyone know what that's about?

peter1892

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Going through the airport and saw RTE and BBC NI parked just before T2? Anyone know what that's about?

BBC NI were interviewing people returning from Nice...

Jamie2k9

Believe June was bussiest month on record with just short of 2,730,000....expect July to set a new record as well!

Rock of Gibraltar

According to their twitter the Pre-Clearance lounge will be called 51st&Green and will be opened on July 18th.
https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/753622777937195008


From the website:
https://www.dublinairport.com/at-the-airport/travel-services/51st-green---the-us-preclearance-lounge

Coming Soon - 51st&Green



51st&Green is an exciting new lounge experience for passengers travelling to the United States.

Located after US Preclearance in Terminal 2 and beside the US departure gates, it is a 'world's first' as it is the closest airport lounge to an active runway.

Inspired by the intersection of Ireland and America, the 51st state of America and Green for Ireland and Dublin Airport, it is a unique space being under US jurisdiction while still on Irish soil.

The lounge is designed to allow passengers relax, work, play and eat as they wait for their boarding call, enjoying the last few minutes of Irish hospitality and a welcome taste of American service ahead.

We hope to see you soon at 51st&Green.

The lounge will be available to transatlantic passengers travelling with Aer Lingus, Delta, United and American Airlines holding business class tickets and airline club cards.

Fattes

Looks like the east Apron, will be operational soon. Lots of activity on there today testing buses and other vehicles.

Nibs05

Fattes wrote: »

Looks like the east Apron, will be operational soon. Lots of activity on there today testing buses and other vehicles.

They weren't testing, they were actually moving buses onto the parking so it's open since 11am ish this morning. Just to reminder this area is for GSE equipment parking, the plan is demolish the existing 2 story building beside the new parking area and this will become the extra aircraft stands.

is this username available

For anyone who missed the recent EIS information sessions in roganstown or malahide, DAA are running an additional session in St Margarets GAA club from 1pm to 9pm next Thursday. Can't find a link.

Closing date for submissions and feedback extended to August 5th also.

lord lucan

Stevek101 wrote: »

They've been up for a few weeks now. When I enquired the were not in use yet. A mystery as to where it went don't remember there being much other than access to each floor not close to anything you could call a gate.

There's a new set of bus gates gone in on level zero,same set up as 333 - 335. It was pretty much finished last time I had a gander about 3 weeks ago.

TheFitz13

How many aircraft to Ryanair have based at DUB? Is there a big difference between the amount at DUB and STN?

FreudianSlippers

This is probably a bit out of date, but I believe STN has twice as many aircraft as DUB. IIRC it's something like 50 at STN and 25 at DUB.

TheFitz13

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

This is probably a bit out of date, but I believe STN has twice as many aircraft as DUB. IIRC it's something like 50 at STN and 25 at DUB.

Thanks for that info! I wonder if DUB could possibly over take STN due to brexit, doubt it

FreudianSlippers

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Thanks for that info! I wonder if DUB could possibly over take STN due to brexit, doubt it

They have said that there will be no new planes (routes?) in the UK due to Brexit, but I do not believe they have said they will reduce their current operations there at the moment.

DUB would be an obvious choice for expansion, but knowing Ryanair they will go anywhere that they can get a good deal and that will fill the seats.

basill

It's a bit academic where the aircraft are based since Ryanair fly W patterns. A made up example would be STN-DUB-NCE-BVA-DUB-STN. The only requirement is for the aircraft to end up back at its nominated base at the end of the day. Also Ryanair don't overnight their crews so they need to end up back at base at the end of their flying day. Of course aircraft will be doing rotations through a maintenance base for planned work as well.

Locker10a

Despite what Ryanair say, they will put their planes where they will make the most money, Brexit or not, if Ryanair see they can make more profit in the London market they will put planes there.

JCX BXC

Locker10a wrote: »

Despite what Ryanair say, they will put their planes where they will make the most money, Brexit or not, if Ryanair see they can make more profit in the London market they will put planes there.

Agree to an extent, but Ryanair do put alot of money where their mouth is in comparison to other airlines.

Other airlines (such as Delta) are reducing operations post brexit also.

Jamie2k9

Carnacalla wrote: »

Agree to an extent, but Ryanair do put alot of money where their mouth is in comparison to other airlines.

Other airlines (such as Delta) are reducing operations post brexit also.

Routes they are reducing are marginal at best.

Jamie2k9

moloner4 wrote: »

Was going to put up photos of the signs for gates 336-337 yesterday, but they mysteriously disappeared yesterday morning after I posted about it. Have a feeling the daa is watching this space

Will allow all EIR flights depart from the busung stations. Two use 200 gates at the minute. All signage hasn't been removed.

random_guy

I see a tender is up for the design and build of the northern runway.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=101882&B=&PS=1&PP=