Waterford Politics MEGATHREAD

7upfree

hardybuck wrote: »

Again, even more unlikely. I would give Halligan third possibly, and Cullinane might scrape 4th.

Halligan would get little or no votes in many areas of Waterford City, and have little or no presence in a lot of Waterford county.

Cullinane would have even less profile again, but as a SF candidate he might get some more profile in places like Dungarvan.

This next election will turn everything on its head.

KOTSC

I the media coverage the reform alliance has been getting is favouristim from the media compared to other parties and groups, for example when the Ula were together none of their group conferences received the same media coverage as the reform alliance this past weekend, nor did have any DDI party conferences received similar media coverage.

Hijpo

That could be because they are made up of ex-FG members, they may already have strong connections within the media not to mention financial strength and plenty of experience when it comes to promoting a party and there events.

LiamD1977

Our own Mary Roche was at the event, notice she didn't mention it on Facebook or Twitter.

Gardner

hardybuck wrote: »

Again, even more unlikely. I would give Halligan third possibly, and Cullinane might scrape 4th.

Halligan would get little or no votes in many areas of Waterford City, and have little or no presence in a lot of Waterford county.

Cullinane would have even less profile again, but as a SF candidate he might get some more profile in places like Dungarvan.

if you look at the breakdown of the last GL halligan out polled everyone in Waterford city and topping also in the ballygunner area was a surprise. his vote in tramore was very good also.

anyone who thinks cullinane will top the poll is living in dreamland. when votes are totaled it will work out as follows

halligan
deasy
coffey/cummins (rumour has it coffey might not go forward)
LAB/FF/SF

hardybuck

7upfree wrote: »

This next election will turn everything on its head.

What makes you think that? The apparent rebuilding of FF is evidence enough that people have very little ability to change their preferences.

hardybuck

Gardner wrote: »

if you look at the breakdown of the last GL halligan out polled everyone in Waterford city and topping also in the ballygunner area was a surprise. his vote in tramore was very good also.

anyone who thinks cullinane will top the poll is living in dreamland. when votes are totaled it will work out as follows

halligan
deasy
coffey/cummins (rumour has it coffey might not go forward)
LAB/FF/SF

OK? I didn't see that breakdown, that would surprise me. Where did you get that?

What's the rumour about Coffey?

Max Powers

Gardner wrote: »

if you look at the breakdown of the last GL halligan out polled everyone in Waterford city and topping also in the ballygunner area was a surprise. his vote in tramore was very good also.

anyone who thinks cullinane will top the poll is living in dreamland. when votes are totaled it will work out as follows

halligan
deasy
coffey/cummins (rumour has it coffey might not go forward)
LAB/FF/SF

Cummins? is the mayor going for TD election? in fairness to him, he is young and possible one who could be a minister for us 10-15 years down the line. he has to get elected a few times first though.

Dicky Pride

If you're not a member of Deasy's family...how on earth could you vote for him?

revisionist

By a mere process of elimination,the only candidates worthy of a vote are the SF and Independent/Halligan ones. The rest of these odious others deserve to be consigned to the political dustbin.

wellboytoo

revisionist wrote: »

By a mere process of elimination,the only candidates worthy of a vote are the SF and Independent/Halligan ones. The rest of these odious others deserve to be consigned to the political dustbin.

Put away the dictionary and use your brain instead.

revisionist

So being articulate is also a sin in your eyes..........

wellboytoo

revisionist wrote: »

So being articulate is also a sin in your eyes..........

No being constantly divisive is

jayboi

revisionist wrote: »

By a mere process of elimination,the only candidates worthy of a vote are the SF and Independent/Halligan ones. The rest of these odious others deserve to be consigned to the political dustbin.

A country run by Sinn Fein could you imagine... Martin ferris as minister for enterprise he'd sort out our imports in no time. Why not get the getaway driver from the murder in tramore as minister for justice. Would certainly strike fear into any opposition

tomwaterford

jayboi wrote: »

A country run by Sinn Fein could you imagine... Martin ferris as minister for enterprise he'd sort out our imports in no time. Why not get the getaway driver from the murder in tramore as minister for justice. Would certainly strike fear into any opposition

AFAIK he is sinn fein spokesman for agriculture:rolleyes::rolleyes:

askwhat youcando foryourcountry

revisionist wrote: »

By a mere process of elimination,the only candidates worthy of a vote are the SF and Independent/Halligan ones. The rest of these odious others deserve to be consigned to the political dustbin.

Yes, worthy candidates for a protest vote but would we like SF and Independents running our country, no thanks. As long as Gerry Adams leads SF, can they be taken seriously?. To describe every other candidate of every other party as odious is highly offensive to decent people from their communities who genuinely want to make a difference for their community, their county and their country.

7upfree

jayboi wrote: »

A country run by Sinn Fein could you imagine.

In fairness i'd even give the shunners a run out now. The old "sure they'll destroy the country" has been well and truly put to bed. Look what the current shower are doing.

But I'd give them six months and they'll behave the exact same.

Power corrupts. Always.

Look at the smoked salmon socialists.

LiamD1977

What really bugs me is how some of our local councillors and wannabe councillors are all of a sudden out and about in the county.

I remember when Mary Roche on WLR when they were debating the merger saying "Sure I know nothing about outside the city".

There getting to know it fairly rapidly now in a effort to win county votes.

Smiley Burnett

7upfree wrote: »

In fairness i'd even give the shunners a run out now. The old "sure they'll destroy the country" has been well and truly put to bed. Look what the current shower are doing.

But I'd give them six months and they'll behave the exact same.

Power corrupts. Always.

Look at the smoked salmon socialists.

if you want to know what Sinn Fein are like, just look at the 6 counties!! massive unemployment in their own heartland of west Belfast...extremely high local authority charges...they were willing to collapse Donegal Co Council recently in order to be populist etc, yet the question remains---why don't they vote against the council budgets in the 6 counties??? sf are nothing but a populist party. We've had enough of that nonsense in this country!!

Max Powers

John cummins was like Tommy Carcetti (Mayor from the wire) sorting out the people of Poleberry with giant sandbags etc. during the week. great publicity for him and to be fair, the lad on WLR was well impressed with him.

Phoebas

tomwaterford wrote: »

AFAIK he is sinn fein spokesman for agriculture:rolleyes::rolleyes:

He'd know a thing or two about fertiliser anyway.

wellboytoo

Phoebas wrote: »

He'd know a thing or two about fertiliser anyway.

Boom boom

mike65

The wage bill for our elected representatives was released today - don;t ask me to recite the numbers but its really money for nothing (not sure if they get chicks for free though)

7upfree

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

if you want to know what Sinn Fein are like, just look at the 6 counties!! massive unemployment in their own heartland of west Belfast...extremely high local authority charges...they were willing to collapse Donegal Co Council recently in order to be populist etc, yet the question remains---why don't they vote against the council budgets in the 6 counties??? sf are nothing but a populist party. We've had enough of that nonsense in this country!!

Lol! Sounds like Waterford city under FG at the moment!:D

Hmmm. 'Populist". Like this:

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/they-will-tax-the-roof-over-your-head-fine-gael-anti-property-tax-leaflet-1994/

Or maybe this:

http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/fine-gaels-university-pledge/

There's lots more - but you get the drift.

The Shinners would be saints in comparison to this lot really.

hardybuck

7upfree wrote: »

Lol! Sounds like Waterford city under FG at the moment!:D

Hmmm. 'Populist". Like this:

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/they-will-tax-the-roof-over-your-head-fine-gael-anti-property-tax-leaflet-1994/

Or maybe this:

http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/fine-gaels-university-pledge/

There's lots more - but you get the drift.

The Shinners would be saints in comparison to this lot really.

In fairness, it's very difficult to make pledges about policy etc. from the outside looking in. SF talk an awful lot of rubbish, fantasy stuff which mostly isn't possible.

The best place they can be is in opposition, because there is no consequence to what they are saying in public. It sounds good to people who are desperate and don't know any better. If they did end up getting into power they could do themselves a lot of long term damage down here, as much of what they would promise isn't possible.

You can see in the North that the reality and responsibility of being in Government forces a lot of tough and unpopular decisions.

By the way 7upfree, a couple of weeks back you were stating that the next election would turn everything on it's head. I asked you why you thought this would happen, but you didn't have a chance to respond. Have you had any thoughts to explain your comment?

Also - 1994 literature - there are cabinet members who were still just finishing primary school at that stage!

revisionist

To suggest that Sinn Fein are responsible for the high rate of unemployment in West Belfast is a misguided view at best and malicious at worst. Thanks by the way for acknowledging the role of Sinn Fein as representing the ordinary people by describing them as populist. What is serious though is matters such as the current minister (sic.)for health using a self formulated algorithm to push his health centres or the taoiseach(even more sic.) breaking salary caps to pay his appointed advisors. This government reeks of self promotion ,cronyism and dare i say it naked corruption.

revisionist

revisionist wrote: »

To suggest that Sinn Fein are responsible for the high rate of unemployment in West Belfast is a misguided view at best and malicious at worst. Thanks by the way for acknowledging the role of Sinn Fein as representing the ordinary people by describing them as populist. What is serious though is matters such as the current minister (sic.)for health using a self formulated algorithm to push his health centres or the taoiseach(even more sic.) breaking salary caps to pay his appointed advisors. This government reeks of self promotion ,cronyism and dare i say it naked corruption.

Also the plethora of local businesses closing in Dungarvan due to the chronic rates increases introduced by Fine Gael is testament to their mismanagement of this economy. Still waiting for even one of the local councillors to resign as a matter of principle........................

Smiley Burnett

revisionist wrote: »

Also the plethora of local businesses closing in Dungarvan due to the chronic rates increases introduced by Fine Gael is testament to their mismanagement of this economy. Still waiting for even one of the local councillors to resign as a matter of principle........................

when did FG introduce these "chronic rate increases"?? are you referring to the independent rates revaluation that took place?

askwhat youcando foryourcountry

revisionist wrote: »

Also the plethora of local businesses closing in Dungarvan due to the chronic rates increases introduced by Fine Gael is testament to their mismanagement of this economy. Still waiting for even one of the local councillors to resign as a matter of principle........................

Are you serious, mismanagement of the economy? and you seriously think that the economic experts in Sinn Fein would have done an excellent job with our economy. Reminds me of Dougal McGuire in Fr. Ted, the intertwining of dreams and reality.

revisionist

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

when did FG introduce these "chronic rate increases"?? are you referring to the independent rates revaluation that took place?

You are joking or have you completely lost touch with reality? The increased rates are part of a government initiative. Hence the efforts of the local chamber to reverse them by lobbying government dail representatives. Your ''independent'' rates revaluation is a bit like the initiatives pursued by Pol Pot, Stalin and company ...nice title but awful outcome....enemies of the people that is FG , anti worker,anti middle class, anti student, anti pensioner...pro big business, pro wealthy investors in their golden circle