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AdMMM

7upfree wrote: »

Are we really settling for reprieves now....:(

I suppose his mug will be on the front page of Waterford Today from now until election time. I hope people have enough intelligence not to fall for this.

No, we're not settling for reprieves. But Waterford has suffered terribly (as have most other counties), so anything that Paudie Coffey can do to reverse any cuts, or secure favorable funding for the City and County should be welcomed. What we definitely shouldn't do is dismiss him and the role he could play before he's even sat in his chair.

7upfree

AdMMM wrote: »

No, we're not settling for reprieves. But Waterford has suffered terribly (as have most other counties), so anything that Paudie Coffey can do to reverse any cuts, or secure favorable funding for the City and County should be welcomed. What we definitely shouldn't do is dismiss him and the role he could play before he's even sat in his chair.

After what FG have done - and are doing - to this City I would have zero confidence.

Facts

7upfree wrote: »

After what FG have done - and are doing - to this City I would have zero confidence.

That's fine Eamonn but it's ok for the rest of us to think it's a good thing for the city. Everyone doesn't have to go along with what you think you know.

7upfree

Facts wrote: »

That's fine Eamonn but it's ok for the rest of us to think it's a good thing for the city. Everyone doesn't have to go along with what you think you know.

Excuse me? who's Eamonn? You're off the mark there my friend!

Back to the subject at hand - who, precisely, are "the ret of us"? FG? Deluded people?

Facts

7upfree wrote: »

Excuse me? who's Eamonn? You're off the mark there my friend!

Back to the subject at hand - who, precisely, are "the ret of us"? FG? Deluded people?

No Eamonn, the rest of us, refers to sensible people who know a minister is of benefit to our city & county and want it to progress! Seeing the negative in every possible thing must really put you in a desperate, bitter mood all the time!

7upfree

Facts wrote: »

No Eamonn, the rest of us, refers to sensible people who know a minister is of benefit to our city & county and want it to progress! Seeing the negative in every possible thing must really put you in a desperate, bitter mood all the time!

Knock yourself out whichever shill you are today. You don't even have the correct gender!:D Sensible people. Lol! 19 posts since June 2011. Great contribution!

Interesting to see that all of your posts either defend or compliment FG or their actions, while slagging off John Halligan, Sean Rheinhardt and the likes. You lot must be really, really worried! Roll on 1916 when you get your asses whooped!

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

Roll on 1916 when you get your asses whooped!

Can I borrow your time machine, please?

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Can I borrow your time machine, please?

Ya sure can Sully!:D

2016 of course! Soooo looking forward to it! I'm sure your man/woman above is in breach of the charter, but seeing as he/she is a staunch FGer nothing will probably be done about it.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

Ya sure can Sully!:D

2016 of course! Soooo looking forward to it! I'm sure your man/woman above is in breach of the charter, but seeing as he/she is a staunch FGer nothing will probably be done about it.

We have a great feature here on Boards - a report function! You can report posts that you feel breach a charter and a mod will act appropriately (as its political, I wont have anything to do with it). I suggest you use it!

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

We have a great feature here on Boards - a report function! You can report posts that you feel breach a charter and a mod will act appropriately (as its political, I wont have anything to do with it). I suggest you use it!

No surprises there then!

Chiparus

Great news for Paudie, and Waterford.

We need to replace Deasy though, he has burnt too many bridges.

Max Powers

Chiparus wrote: »

Great news for Paudie, and Waterford.

We need to replace Deasy though, he has burnt too many bridges.

How timely of you Chiparus, deasy called some of his PAC colleagues bull$hitter$ yesterday. 'like hell i will' is reported in the I.T. as what he said when asked to withdraw comments. feeling he is gonna leave FG

AdMMM

Max Powers wrote: »

How timely of you Chiparus, deasy called some of his PAC colleagues bull$hitter$ yesterday. 'like hell i will' is reported in the I.T. as what he said when asked to withdraw comments. feeling he is gonna leave FG

He's FG's version of Brian Crowley, so he'll be staying where he is, and graciously accepting party funding for election campaigns. The party will turn a blind eye to his behaviour, because there's not many TDs out there that can deliver a safe-seat.

hardybuck

AdMMM wrote: »

He's FG's version of Brian Crowley, so he'll be staying where he is, and graciously accepting party funding for election campaigns. The party will turn a blind eye to his behaviour, because there's not many TDs out there that can deliver a safe-seat.

Are you well!? Brian Crowley was adored by Fianna Fail. The man is an election winning machine. He seemed to have universal respect across the board until he jumped ship recently.

Deasy burned his bridges in the current setup, but he could well be brought back into the fold in years to come.

Wanderer2010

AdMMM wrote: »

No, we're not settling for reprieves. But Waterford has suffered terribly (as have most other counties), so anything that Paudie Coffey can do to reverse any cuts, or secure favorable funding for the City and County should be welcomed. What we definitely shouldn't do is dismiss him and the role he could play before he's even sat in his chair.

Taking opinion on Coffey out of it for a moment, can you name a Junior Minister that represents/represented Waterford who was ever anything more than an expense-claiming company man with zero power and no influence? Im genuinely curious. My own view is that he will do nothing but nod at the right moment when Enda is dictating jobs for the country (Waterford getting the scraps), water charges, cuts in student grants, disability cuts etc etc. He has to get it out there straight away that Waterford needs more jobs and we need them yesterday. If he buckles on that issue, then he is completely useless. Mind you, the fact that he has signed for the privatization of bus services is a very, very worrying sign of things to come from him.

hardybuck

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Taking opinion on Coffey out of it for a moment, can you name a Junior Minister that represents/represented Waterford who was ever anything more than an expense-claiming company man with zero power and no influence? Im genuinely curious. My own view is that he will do nothing but nod at the right moment when Enda is dictating jobs for the country (Waterford getting the scraps), water charges, cuts in student grants, disability cuts etc etc. He has to get it out there straight away that Waterford needs more jobs and we need them yesterday. If he buckles on that issue, then he is completely useless. Mind you, the fact that he has signed for the privatization of bus services is a very, very worrying sign of things to come from him.

The reality at the moment is that there is quite a small number of people making a lot of the key decisions.

One of the things which drove Burton mad was that she wasn't able to sit on the Economic Management Council, which consists of the Taoiseach, Tanaiste, Minister for Public Expenditure and Minister for Finance, as well as senior Civil Servants from those Departments. She coveted the position of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform but didn't get it at the time, now she is on it as Tanaiste.

AdMMM

hardybuck wrote: »

Are you well!? Brian Crowley was adored by Fianna Fail. The man is an election winning machine. He seemed to have universal respect across the board until he jumped ship recently.

Deasy burned his bridges in the current setup, but he could well be brought back into the fold in years to come.

Brian Crowley hasn't been close to Fianna Fail for a long, long time and he's been doing his own thing for years. The party allowed it because he hoovered up the votes. Likewise, John Deasy does his own thing 99% of the time and only seems to align with the party values around election time. The party doesn't mind because he too hoovers up the votes in Waterford County.

Wanderer2010 wrote:

Taking opinion on Coffey out of it for a moment, can you name a Junior Minister that represents/represented Waterford who was ever anything more than an expense-claiming company man with zero power and no influence? Im genuinely curious. My own view is that he will do nothing but nod at the right moment when Enda is dictating jobs for the country (Waterford getting the scraps), water charges, cuts in student grants, disability cuts etc etc. He has to get it out there straight away that Waterford needs more jobs and we need them yesterday. If he buckles on that issue, then he is completely useless. Mind you, the fact that he has signed for the privatization of bus services is a very, very worrying sign of things to come from him.

Zero power and zero influence? I wouldn't say zero. We now have a tiny, minuscule amount of power and influence over a government department. It's nothing to dust off the good china for, but it's still an opportunity for us to get something out of it.

hardybuck

AdMMM wrote: »

Brian Crowley hasn't been close to Fianna Fail for a long, long time and he's been doing his own thing for years. The party allowed it because he hoovered up the votes. Likewise, John Deasy does his own thing 99% of the time and only seems to align with the party values around election time. The party doesn't mind because he too hoovers up the votes in Waterford County.

True Crowley did his own thing, but I get the impression that you get a bit more freedom as an MEP than a TD under the Whip system.

Sully

hardybuck wrote: »

Are you well!? Brian Crowley was adored by Fianna Fail. The man is an election winning machine. He seemed to have universal respect across the board until he jumped ship recently.

Deasy burned his bridges in the current setup, but he could well be brought back into the fold in years to come.

I think Adam's point is that Deasy pulls in a strong consistent vote so might be considered a 'safe seat' whereas putting someone else forward in his place would be risky.

I don't think his altercation with PAC is something FG would kick him out for. He didn't target anybody in his own party either.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

I think Adam's point is that Deasy pulls in a strong consistent vote so might be considered a 'safe seat' whereas putting someone else forward in his place would be risky.

I don't think his altercation with PAC is something FG would kick him out for. He didn't target anybody in his own party either.

A pity he's so unstable. I considered voting for him, but the whole smoking thing put me off. This has proven the case for me.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

A pity he's so unstable. I considered voting for him, but the whole smoking thing put me off. This has proven the case for me.

Deasy is firey, speaks his mind and has spoken his mind on government policy especially directed towards Waterford. He has been vocal. Sure, he isn't Kenny's biggest fan and isn't the best game player but he does his job and is respected by the electorate. Of all the people who wouldn't like that type of person, I wouldn't have said you were one!

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Deasy is firey, speaks his mind and has spoken his mind on government policy especially directed towards Waterford. He has been vocal. Sure, he isn't Kenny's biggest fan and isn't the best game player but he does his job and is respected by the electorate. Of all the people who wouldn't like that type of person, I wouldn't have said you were one!

Touche!:D He had such great potential, but is a spent force now. Isolated by Inda (when he would have made a terrific minister and served us well because he didn't side with the little runt).

Waterford has paid the price for his antics really. Unfortunately.

wellboytoo

Sully wrote: »

Deasy is firey, speaks his mind and has spoken his mind on government policy especially directed towards Waterford. He has been vocal. Sure, he isn't Kenny's biggest fan and isn't the best game player but he does his job and is respected by the electorate. Of all the people who wouldn't like that type of person, I wouldn't have said you were one!

You forgot to mention lazy and arrogant.

Max Powers

wellboytoo wrote: »

You forgot to mention lazy and arrogant.

thats harsh on the lazy front anyway, he seems to do a fair bit of shouting about what is right and wrong with Ireland, its politics, scandals etc so lazy isnt true i reckon. a lot on here complain about people/TDs not shouting for Waterford, he has done a good bit of that re: funding, FDI, IDA, airport etc. As for arrogant, i dont know the man so cant say

wellboytoo

Max Powers wrote: »

thats harsh on the lazy front anyway, he seems to do a fair bit of shouting about what is right and wrong with Ireland, its politics, scandals etc so lazy isnt true i reckon. a lot on here complain about people/TDs not shouting for Waterford, he has done a good bit of that re: funding, FDI, IDA, airport etc. As for arrogant, i dont know the man so cant say

Max I say lazy because he has chosen the path of not toeing the line and by doing so, doe's not have the responsibility's of a ministership, which he is well capable of doing because he is a bright man, and he would have been in line for it as is seen as a very capable person.
He seems to be following his Dad's footsteps, a good career politician who does and says the right things on the ground to keep him in the seat but not interested in the responsibilities that is the next step.
I personally resent that and feel he is wasting 25% of our potential representation for his own rewards, the arrogance claim is based on the same theory.

Max Powers

wellboytoo wrote: »

Max I say lazy because he has chosen the path of not toeing the line and by doing so, doe's not have the responsibility's of a ministership, which he is well capable of doing because he is a bright man, and he would have been in line for it as is seen as a very capable person.
He seems to be following his Dad's footsteps, a good career politician who does and says the right things on the ground to keep him in the seat but not interested in the responsibilities that is the next step.
I personally resent that and feel he is wasting 25% of our potential representation for his own rewards, the arrogance claim is based on the same theory.

yeah look you are not wrong but the amount of people on here complaining if a TD from Waterford tries to keep his head down and play the politics game, toe-the-party -line etc etc so you cant win. i do agree 100% with your 25% comment not so much for his own rewards but is it just a waste having someone there that nobody is listening to. Could say the same about Halligan too even though he talks a lot of sense and have respect for him.

S.O

Was doing a small bit of shopping in tesco peleberry earlier on, when a crowd of protesters entered the store shouting at the staff regarding Israeli goods, its my understanding they marched from the John Roberts square to tesco peleberry, having a peaceful protest march about an issue is one thing, but I dont agree with shouting at staff in work over something the staff have nothing to do with, at the end of the day the staff only stack the shelves and sell the products they don't decide where the the products are imported from.

The Bowling Alley

S.O wrote: »

Was doing a small bit of shopping in tesco peleberry earlier on, when a crowd of protesters entered the store shouting at the staff regarding Israeli goods, its my understanding they marched from the John Roberts square to tesco peleberry, having a peaceful protest march about an issue is one thing, but I dont agree with shouting at staff in work over something the staff have nothing to do with, at the end of the day the staff only stack the shelves and sell the products they don't decide where the the products are imported from.

That element of the march can be attributed to the more hardcore, bike-cycling, socialist element.

7upfree

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

That element of the march can be attributed to the more hardcore, bike-cycling, socialist element.

Completely unacceptable.

deise08

The cheek of them intimidating people who do an honest days work, pay their taxes. struggle with mortgages! I'm raging over them. where were they for the peaceful protest?