Citroen dispatch timing belt.

johnno1970

Hi,
I bought a 2006 dispatch 1.9d three weeks ago from a guy who was leaving the country. Today the timing belt broke whilst I was driving it. Does anyone know if these are an interference or non interference engine? My mechanic towed it away this evening but wont be able to take a look until early next week. I tried starting it after it lost power, not knowing that I could be causing some bad damage if its an interference engine. Seriously pissed off here, looking for a crumb of comfort and some good news

dgt

Interference

johnno1970

Not good news then. Whats the typical damage when this happens?

NuckingFacker

johnno1970 wrote: »

Not good news then. Whats the typical damage when this happens?

You might be lucky -the cam followers are made of chewing gum and when the belt breaks, so do they. A few valves will be bent and you'll have a good bill for stripping and re-building. All being usual, the pistons should be ok(might not be though) and the head - usually valves, followers and a build-up. Personally I think they are a horrible engine to rebuild, but best of luck anyway.

Nissan doctor

johnno1970 wrote: »

Not good news then. Whats the typical damage when this happens?

It will need replacement valves and possibly valve guides at the very least. Your engine IIRC has the valves fitted vertically above the pistons so rocker/cam follower damage and cam damage as worst case scenario depending on the RPM when the belt broke.

dgt

johnno1970 wrote: »

Not good news then. Whats the typical damage when this happens?

See here

johnno1970

Thanks for the info. Hopefully the engines not a write off then. The guy I bought it off said the belt was done at 120,000km. 138,000km on it now. Seems unlikely.

Nissan doctor

johnno1970 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Hopefully the engines not a write off then. The guy I bought it off said the belt was done at 120,000km. 138,000km on it now. Seems unlikely.

It may have been changed, but if any components weren't torqued correctly or the belt was not tensioned properly it could easily fail within 18k.

An oil or diesel leak onto the belt would also cause premature failure.

Or, he may just have been lying.

George Dalton

These are about as interference as they come. I once took a camshaft out of one in 5 pieces. Cam caps were also all broken. Between the new cam, caps, valves, tappets and line boring of the head it all got pretty expensive!

johnno1970

George Dalton wrote: »

These are about as interference as they come. I once took a camshaft out of one in 5 pieces. Cam caps were also all broken. Between the new cam, caps, valves, tappets and line boring of the head it all got pretty expensive!

I know it depends on damage done but how much am I looking at to fix this best and worse case scenario.

George Dalton

You will have to budget for around €1000. I think the one from my post above with the broken cam cost €1400 or thereabouts.

NuckingFacker

johnno1970 wrote: »

I know it depends on damage done but how much am I looking at to fix this best and worse case scenario.

I was thinking 2.0hdi in an expert/ducato, don't know why, didn't read op properly. The 1.9 in the dispatch is worse, if that's any consolation, as it's very buried and cramped. I don't hugely envy your mechanic that job. Can you not just source a replacement engine, change the fluids and belts - would be cheaper and easier imo.

johnno1970

NuckingFacker wrote: »

I was thinking 2.0hdi in an expert/ducato, don't know why, didn't read op properly. The 1.9 in the dispatch is worse, if that's any consolation, as it's very buried and cramped. I don't hugely envy your mechanic that job. Can you not just source a replacement engine, change the fluids and belts - would be cheaper and easier imo.

Just have to wait and see what the mechanic says on it. Unbelievably bad luck on my part. About 500 miles driven since I bought it!

johnno1970

Just an update on this. My mechanic tells me the brake vacuum pump went and thats what caused the timing belt to go. The camshaft came out in three pieces, valves bent and a piston rod bent too. After weeks of trying to get things right it just isn't happening, so we've decided to go with a second hand engine replacement. How do I go about registering a new engine in this? Is there a form that needs to be sent to Shannon in order to adjust the log book. I was told a main dealer needs to verify the new engine in it. Is this correct?

NuckingFacker

johnno1970 wrote: »

Just an update on this. My mechanic tells me the brake vacuum pump went and thats what caused the timing belt to go. The camshaft came out in three pieces, valves bent and a piston rod bent too. After weeks of trying to get things right it just isn't happening, so we've decided to go with a second hand engine replacement. How do I go about registering a new engine in this? Is there a form that needs to be sent to Shannon in order to adjust the log book. I was told a main dealer needs to verify the new engine in it. Is this correct?

Err, yeah, yeah, thats what we do when we change an engine, we tell them, yeah. Always. Ummm, well not really..

johnno1970

But from an insurance point of view?

NuckingFacker

johnno1970 wrote: »

But from an insurance point of view?

Going to assume you're putting back in the same as you took out? I.E a going version of the dead unit? What you gonna tell em? The serial number? I'd guess (I'm probably wrong, but this is the way I do it) they'd go "ohh, right, well done.....".

If though, you are cramming in a V8 Hemi, you might want to give them a bell..:D

enumbers

I would consider myself diligent in most things but I have never thought about registering a engine number when replacing like for like not that I do many replacements usually works out that a repair is the best long term solution for cost vs reliability

beam99

I replaced a engine for a customer last year, and the customer wanted it changed on the paper work, had to get a independent assessor report saying engine was same as old engine cc etc, cost over €300 also had to get form stamped by main dealer saying same, more money......