Just seen a strange case of blatant racism on the bus home!

hfallada

Are your sure they werent Zimbabwean? They sound similar. My white geography had to flee his family tobacco friend as hundreds of black came to his family farm giving them 24 hours to live otherwise they would be killed. So a disliking black people more than just about the colour of their skin. L

Nodin

Eramen wrote: »

I suppose that (.....) suit you..

You know I think your notions on this are a bit nutty...?

gallag

gosplan wrote: »

Bollocks to that. Any grown adult is capable of understanding the reality. Social class determines things such as crime rate, not ethnicity. Anyone that thinks or acts otherwise is stupid.

If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?

Jimmy_Zed

Eramen wrote: »

I think we both know the answer to that. We're dealing with people who have been told their whole lives, in school, on tv, by govt officials that 'all people are the same' or 'we are all equal'. They believe this without questioning. The equality cult is much the same as a bad religion. If you question their mere opinions even remotely it is classed as heresy and it's weaknesses covered-up with name-calling.

Thing is only well-fed, better-off white people seem to have contracted the disease of the utopianist mindset, nobody else the world over has really taken to this absurd, ignorant and unscientific opinion that "everyone is equal".

They'd laugh in your face if you suggested it.

Of course it's taboo to say that anti-racism is probably the worst form of racism, because it alludes to trying to achieve a 'raceless' society. Yet in doing so it nullifies cultural and personal identities of diverse and individual people in favor of a monoculture of globalisation - where things like family, roots, sex, tradition, language, customs are trodden on and stripped of their value. All in pursuit of a foolish dream that denies & is woefully ignorant of human nature.

You need to post on these type of threads more often Eramen.

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?

You seem to have missed this....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84676718&postcount=92
If you'd be as good as to get back to me....

gosplan

gallag wrote: »

If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?

Nice.

Seaneh

gallag wrote: »

If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?

Wow.

Just.

Wow.

wandatowell

Aren't Blacks considered the scourge of South Africa?

I've two south african mates and they hate 'em so much its crazy

gallag

Nodin wrote: »

You seem to have missed this....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84676718&postcount=92
If you'd be as good as to get back to me....

It was not really worth gettin back to, Another poster replied to which I agreed with him/her and thanked his/her post. What was your point again? Apart from our differences we are all the same?

Also, do you not find this whole " you missed my point , REPLY TO ME" a bit needy? For future reference if someone does not reply to your post mabey there was not enough substance to motivate the person to reply.

Legs.Eleven

gosplan wrote: »

Nice.

Seaneh wrote: »

Wow.

Just.

Wow.

That's all you can say, really. I wouldn't even bother my arse with comments like that.

Sir Gallagher

The Backwards Man wrote: »

South African and Nigerian aren't races though, they are nationalities.

I hate when people use this argument as if it makes it ok to generalise a group of people just because it's not racism by definition.

It's that type of thinking which means things like the famine, penal laws and even the humble "paddy irishman" joke get brushed under the carpet.

Latchy

wandatowell wrote: »

Aren't Blacks considered the scourge of South Africa?

I've two south african mates and they hate 'em so much its crazy

Which is a hell of a different place to Ireland so they are going on their own expierences .

LiamoSail wrote: »

While I don't condone racism, its very easy for us here in ireland to criticise such a mentality without having an appreciation for how things are at the moment over in South Africa, and indeed the likes of Zimbabwe. Relative to South Africa, we have zero experience of racism or racial divides in this country, so we can't relate

Again, I'm not condoning the mentality, however people need to understand that South Africa is a dangerous place, and its very easy to see how these attitudes are nurtured among the middle class, in otherwise decent, rational people

Liamosails post above puts it in context for me .

Syllabus.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

There are differences between races and nationalities - that's a fact; we're not all the same in many senses. But at the very basic level, we are just humans who generally experience the same emotions, hopes and fears. While it's fair enough to refer to broad trends, it's not fair to apply them to individuals.

No you're not. Black people always refer to themselves as black.

they also refer to themselves as N---ers - so I can too,no?


it depends on what happens to be considered fashionable at that time

used to be 'coloured' when I was young

Death and Taxes

Spunge wrote: »

racism is natural, deal with it

Yeah, about as natural Nylon!

The Backwards Man

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I hate when people use this argument as if it makes it ok to generalise a group of people just because it's not racism by definition.

It's that type of thinking which means things like the famine, penal laws and even the humble "paddy irishman" joke get brushed under the carpet.

It's not really though. It's the type of thinking that leads to generalisations in the first place that is the problem.

I made a tongue in cheek comment about white South Africans and was accused of having a dig at Afrikaners. Not all white South Africans are Afrikaners, the same as not all Irish people are white, not all Kenyan people are black, and not all Iraqi people are Arab.

Pardon the pun, but nothing is ever as black and white as some people try to make it.

fryup

classic sketch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYPdcHD_qTg

the_syco

C.ENGSTUDENT wrote: »

Then the backpacker said "well I don't like em".

Since 1994, about 4000 white farmers have been butchered in SA (6000 whites altogether), and it's not really a safe in some parts. A lot of white people can't just walk down the road, as it's pretty dangerous in some parts neighbourhoods. So although I won't condone their racism, I do understand why they feel that way.

The SA government aren't helping the genocide of the white people, but they're doing sweet f**k all to stop it.

Have a read through beeld.com

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

payback

(not that i condone it, just sayin)

woodoo

Eramen wrote: »

I think we both know the answer to that. We're dealing with people who have been told their whole lives, in school, on tv, by govt officials that 'all people are the same' or 'we are all equal'. They believe this without questioning. The equality cult is much the same as a bad religion. If you question their mere opinions even remotely it is classed as heresy and it's weaknesses covered-up with name-calling.

Thing is only well-fed, better-off white people seem to have contracted the disease of the utopianist mindset, nobody else the world over has really taken to this absurd, ignorant and unscientific opinion that "everyone is equal".

They'd laugh in your face if you suggested it.

Of course it's taboo to say that anti-racism is probably the worst form of racism, because it alludes to trying to achieve a 'raceless' society. Yet in doing so it nullifies cultural and personal identities of diverse and individual people in favor of a monoculture of globalisation - where things like family, roots, sex, tradition, language, customs are trodden on and stripped of their value. All in pursuit of a foolish dream that denies & is woefully ignorant of human nature.

Its madness that we are offering Europe up as a test case for this new utopia. I think its very sad.

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

It was not really worth gettin back to, Another poster replied to which I agreed with him/her and thanked his/her post. What was your point again? Apart from our differences we are all the same?

Also, do you not find this whole " you missed my point , REPLY TO ME" a bit needy? For future reference if someone does not reply to your post mabey there was not enough substance to motivate the person to reply.

Generally, I find that if somebody dodges a question, it means they know exactly what the answer is, sees how it shows the holes in their plot and don't want to admit it.

The truth is that if somebody did say there was some genetic basis for Irish cops, firemen, builders, soldiers and dodgy politicians, they'd be laughed at. It's a cultural thing. Yet here you are with some pseudo scientific blather about blacks....

Nodin

woodoo wrote: »

Its madness that we are offering Europe up as a test case for this new utopia. I think its very sad.

Whose taking us over this week? Is it the muslims or the indians?

woodoo

gallag wrote: »

Also, do you not find this whole " you missed my point , REPLY TO ME" a bit needy? For future reference if someone does not reply to your post mabey there was not enough substance to motivate the person to reply.

He has 23 thousand posts and most of the ones i have seen have either been loaded questions or waspish rebukes.

gosplan

Jesus, I knew the standard boards profile was male and rightwing but this is beyond a joke.

We have posters suggesting that it's logical to consider that sone entire races may be predisposed to criminality.

Then others are suggesting that races are different and promotion of equality is a misguided fanciful western notion.

Nazis!!!! Woohoo!

Chuck Stone

Eramen wrote: »

I think we both know the answer to that. We're dealing with people who have been told their whole lives, in school, on tv, by govt officials that 'all people are the same' or 'we are all equal'.

That's funny. I'm a high ranking officer in the PC brigade and I was never told that.

Thing is only well-fed, better-off white people seem to have contracted the disease of the utopianist mindset, nobody else the world over has really taken to this absurd, ignorant and unscientific opinion that "everyone is equal".

Who the hell is saying everyone is equal?

anti-racism ... alludes to trying to achieve a 'raceless' society.

Bollocks. Prove it.

Yet in doing so it nullifies cultural and personal identities of diverse and individual people in favor of a monoculture of globalisation - where things like family, roots, sex, tradition, language, customs are trodden on and stripped of their value.

You're talking about assimilation. That's the tyranny of the majority. You know we tried assimilation with Travellers here and it was a disaster. Do you respect that Travellers have their very own way of life that deserves to be treated as such by the state?

Spunge wrote: »

racism is natural, deal with it

Racism is learned. Deal with it.

woodoo

gosplan wrote: »

Jesus, I knew the standard boards profile was male and rightwing but this is beyond a joke.!

I would have said boards is very left wing and socially liberal.

Jacovs

White Afrikaans speaking South African here.

Interesting views guys.

Nodin

Jacovs wrote: »

White Afrikaans speaking South African here.

Interesting views guys.

...thats very polite of you.

Jacovs

Nodin wrote: »

...thats very polite of you.

Was going to put 'thank you' at the end too but thought that would be a bit too much.

Nodin

Eramen wrote: »

................

Economic globalistion, which is little more than nation-robbing, does nothing to provide this security of character or people which we all seek. Therefore conflict is fermented from within and without the society. The modern age is the most violent in known history, we now see power politics, factionalism on every social issue, nobody agrees on anything because nobody holds the same values any longer. Multiculturalism, - a policy that promotes multiple values - in the stead of unifying values, can be seen to be a abject failure. (Indeed, was it even meant to succeed? Of course not). Only unintelligent people cannot grasp this because they have never acquired the skill of foresight based on factual evidence.

So much for your utopia. Deal with dat.

....a rich seam of comedy gold, buried in there.

Femme_Fatale

The Middle Ages was probably more violent.

Eramen

Nodin wrote: »

....a rich seam of comedy gold, buried in there.

I never figured you for student of history or of culture dear Nodin. Sometimes it pains me when I am right. Woe is me!

Seaneh

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The Middle Ages was probably more violent.

We, in the north of the world at least, since WWII live in just about the least violent period of recorded history.

The Southern Hemisphere, has it less good, but they are no more or less bloody than the previous few millennia, it's just a lot easier to kill a lot of people now than it was even 200 years ago thanks to modern weapons and the population of the world is several times the size it was just a few centuries ago.

On a per-capita basis, we are probably seeing less deaths due to war now than ever before, there's that many more of us.

the_syco

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

payback

(not that i condone it, just sayin)

Try looking up how many blacks were killed by the whites, compared to how whites were killed by blacks.

Oh, and since the blacks took over, the place has gone to hell. Seems they found out that when you loot the farm, and kill the farmer, the crop doesn't magically come back. I think they're (black folk) just generally starving now.

Nodin

Eramen wrote: »

I never figured you for student of history or of culture dear Nodin. Sometimes it pains me when I am right. Woe is me!

To be honest, whether I'm a "student of history" or not really doesn't make any difference to the statement "The modern age is the most violent in known history" being a load of ****.

Nodin

the_syco wrote: »

Try looking up how many blacks were killed by the whites, compared to how whites were killed by blacks.

Oh, and since the blacks took over, the place has gone to hell. Seems they found out that when you loot the farm, and kill the farmer, the crop doesn't magically come back. I think they're (black folk) just generally starving now.

...in South Africa?

Eramen

the_syco wrote: »

Since 1994, about 4000 white farmers have been butchered in SA (6000 whites altogether), and it's not really a safe in some parts. A lot of white people can't just walk down the road, as it's pretty dangerous in some parts neighbourhoods. So although I won't condone their racism, I do understand why they feel that way.

The SA government aren't helping the genocide of the white people, but they're doing sweet f**k all to stop it.

Have a read through beeld.com

You have a lot of gall to be stating the truth in these parts, all credit to you.

*nods*

:cool:

Clandestine

gosplan wrote: »

Then others are suggesting that races are different and promotion of equality is a misguided fanciful western notion.

I don't know about equality being wrong, but what I have bolded is true, and I'm not just talking about skin colour

mikemac1

gallag wrote: »

83 people have broke the 10 second 100m, 1 was white, that scientifically proves the black people are more physically gifted in the leg strength department,

Not so good at the swimming though

Eric the Eel was a legend :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac

Went to the Olympics and won his heat

Jacovs

mikemac1 wrote: »

Not so good at the swimming though

Thats what South Africa's Minister of Sport, Fikile "black people cant swim" Mbalula thinks too.

Tried to find the article I read before, he basicly said they wont be applying quotas to South Africa Swimming because black people cant swim.

So saying black people cant swim isnt racist, at least one black person thinks so too.

Itwasntme.

I am shocked by some of the racist vitriol being spewed on here. In fact, I am stumped for a response. Oh well, that's probably because I am not as intelligent as white people according to the resident Darwinists. I better go steal something for dinner. Values, integrity, honor, principles, basic decency? Ain't nobody got time for that!! Don't you know? That's only for the evolved white people.

gosplan

Clandestine wrote: »

I don't know about equality being wrong, but what I have bolded is true, and I'm not just talking about skin colour

Yup. I actually agree with that myself just worded it poorly. I'm just shocked at some if this.

Not all people are equal but they must all be given equality of opportunity, or are people seriously suggesting that we only allow Asians to be mathematicians and Samoans to play rugby and so on.

Eramen. You've shown you can read books and regurgitate sh1t as your own. Whats your alternative to the situation though? Where should we first apply the lack of equality?

Chuck Stone

Eramen wrote: »

I have had the displeasure of studying Equality Law and legislation. Some of it is fairly absurd, though I do think it has positive aspects. Count yourself lucky. Still, I'm sure that the government Equality Authority would be happy to help you out on the various aspects of the state ideology you are presently having trouble with. You know, just in case you 'get it wrong' and end up in prison for revving your car racist-ly or something. *Actual example*

And this is people being told everyone is equal? Isn't Equality legislation crafted in an attempt to balance the realities of inequality rather than enforce some nebulous notion that everyone is equal? Would you like to actually answer my question rather than drifting away on some soporific soliloquy? See what I did there in my last sentence? I returned the condescending tone in your post in kind.

You see each people and ethnic group has it's own personality much the same as each individual person embodies one. As a single person acquires his own interest, custom, like and dislikes, so too does vast groups of interrelated people in the form of culture, tradition and folk-memory.

I see. So ethnic groups operate like ants or bees; as a hive mind?

Without these things there can be no such thing as 'history' or even language, as they preclude them. This is the traditional and classic humanitarian way of looking at collectives of persons & families.

Without the non existent hive mind ethnic groups you've fabricated there can be no language or history? What are you on about?

I'm sure this higher perspective must seem relatively quaint to you in the great age of the smartphone society, however it has it merits as a base for real, actual tolerance.

What? Your obtuseness is tiresome.

People live as a part of collectives - this is undeniable; and when this collective feels secure the individual feels secure. When a person's own people is secure only at this point can a bridge be erected to friendship with other peoples and only then can ties be forged.

Could you come down from the clouds and provide some a real-world examples of this because your concepts are a little opaque.

Economic globalistion, which is little more than nation-robbing, does nothing to provide this security of character or people which we all seek.

Mcdonalds and Starbucks are robbing people of their sense of security? Is this what you're trying to say?

Therefore conflict is fermented from within and without the society. The modern age is the most violent in known history,

This is nonsense. The world has never been a more safe and peaceful place to live.

we now see power politics, factionalism on every social issue, nobody agrees on anything because nobody holds the same values any longer.

When has it ever been any different?

Multiculturalism, - a policy that promotes multiple values

There is no conspiratorial orthodoxy on Multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism can be seen to be a abject failure.

Where?

(Indeed, was it even meant to succeed? Of course not). Only unintelligent people cannot grasp this because they have never acquired the skill of foresight based on factual evidence.

You make it sound as if a plan to force multiculturalism upon us, inasmuch as such an orthodoxy exists, was decided by a secret cabal. There's a conspiracy theories forum here for that you know?

So much for your utopia.

Who's trying to create a utopia? The fabled PC brigade are acting as unwitting foot soldiers of the multi-culti cabal? Is that it?

Your version of time, people, history and society is quickly being relegated to the trash can.

My version? What in the name of muppetry are you on about?

We've had enough of being told 'how we are supposed to live, do what I say! or else!' Deal with dat.

Who is we? Who's telling you how to live and what to say?

What a load of obtuse gibberish that is.

gosplan

Jacovs wrote: »

So saying black people cant swim isnt racist, at least one black person thinks so too.

Yes because they all have to agree for it to be racist, don't they.

This thread is depressing.

gosplan

Chuck Stone wrote: »

And this is people being told everyone is equal? Isn't Equality legislation crafted in an attempt to balance the realities of inequality rather than enforce some nebulous notion that everyone is equal? Would you like to actually answer my question rather than drifting away on some soporific soliloquy? See what I did there in my last sentence? I returned the condescending tone in your post in kind.



I see. So ethnic groups operate like ants or bees; as a hive mind?



Without the non existent hive mind ethnic groups you've fabricated there can be no language or history? What are you on about?




What? Your obtuseness is tiresome.



Could you come down from the clouds and provide some a real-world examples of this because your concepts are a little opaque.



Mcdonalds and Starbucks are robbing people of their sense of security? Is this what you're trying to say?



This is nonsense. The world has never been a more safe and peaceful place to live.




When has it ever been any different?



There is no conspiratorial orthodoxy on Multiculturalism.



Where?



You make it sound as if a plan to force multiculturalism upon us, inasmuch as such an orthodoxy exists, was decided by a secret cabal. There's a conspiracy theories forum here for that you know?



Who's trying to create a utopia? The fabled PC brigade are acting as unwitting foot soldiers of the multi-culti cabal? Is that it?



My version? What in the name of muppetry are you on about?



Who is we? Who's telling you how to live and what to say?

What a load of obtuse gibberish that is.

Don't bother. This thread was related to something he read or an outlandish opinion he is proud of so he wedged some nonsense about equality in here because there was an opportunity to be clever. Now it will just go around in circles.

Chuck Stone

Itwasntme. wrote: »

Oh well, that's probably because I am not as intelligent as white people according to the resident Darwinists. I better go steal something for dinner. Values, integrity, honor, principles, basic decency? Ain't nobody got time for that!! Don't you know? That's only for the evolved white people.

Even attempting to make some sort tenuous correlation between race and IQ is dubious 'science'.

woodoo

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Even attempting to make some sort tenuous correlation between race and IQ is dubious 'science'.

Why is that

the_syco

Nodin wrote: »

...in South Africa?

Yes.

gosplan

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Even attempting to make some sort tenuous correlation between race and IQ is dubious 'science'.

Google 'the bell curve' and look at criticisims.

Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to the 'why is that?' response you got.

Nodin

the_syco wrote: »

Yes.

There's starvation in South Africa because the 'blacks' have bumped off the white farmers...? You're sure now?

Chuck Stone

woodoo wrote: »

Why is that

Because if there is a correlation between race and IQ what value does it have and what purpose does it serve?

Why not try to draw a correlation between foot size and IQ? Why pick race? What purpose does it serve?

gosplan wrote: »

Google 'the bell curve' and look at criticisims.

Well aware of it and its dubious 'science'.

Nearly all the research that Murray and Herrnstein relied on for their central claims about race and IQ was funded by the Pioneer Fund, described by the London Sunday Telegraph (3/12/89) as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics." The fund's mission is to promote eugenics, a philosophy that maintains that "genetically unfit" individuals or races are a threat to society.

<snip>

The Pioneer Fund was set up in 1937 by Wickliffe Draper, a millionaire who advocated sending blacks back to Africa.

<snip>

The fund's first president, Harry Laughlin, was an influential advocate of sterilization for those he considered genetically unfit.

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/racism-resurgent/