Are Ireland's 17,600 Nigerian residents able to send home 468 M last year???

Cody Pomeray

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

Only 600 Nigerians being awarded work permits? http://www.djei.ie/labour/workpermits/statistics.htm

That an awful lot of Nigerian citizens were refused refugee status but were awarded leave to remain due to an Irish born child? http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/births-give-rights-to-asylumseekers-26250564.html

There are other legitimate reasons as to why Nigerian residents could live and work here - student visas, family reunification and marriage or the existence of a durable relationship with an EU citizen.

maninasia

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Yep they married all the ugly women.

It's this kind of offensive crap that makes this thread stink, good on ya, you manage to insult both an ethnic group and their Irish wives at one time.

Well done.

The folks that have a problem with Nigerians on here haven't done themselves any favors or won any supporters with their rush to judgement on made up figures.

Montroseee

maninasia wrote: »

It's this kind of offensive crap that makes this thread stink, good on ya, you manage to insult both an ethnic group and their Irish wives at one time.

Well done.

You should know better than to respond.

maninasia

Montroseee wrote: »

You should know better than to respond.

It's interesting because the exact same thing is said about foreigners in the country where I live. It's the same old tired **** you hear everywhere.

allibastor

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Oh, you're like a broken record at this point.
You honestly don't think that it's even slightly worth investigating why fewer than 6,000 people (ie the 60% who are in employment and also aren't kids) are able to live in this economy and still remit c. 60,000 each back to Nigeria, AFTER tax?
Are they all CEOs or TDs? Bank directors? Rock stars?

It is true, it is a egitimate topic to discuss, and it is always sidetracked by those who think that the race issue is so taboo that it cant be discussed.

It is worth investigating alright on how so much money annually can be sent home, the figure of 6,000 working would be correct enough as of a year ago. so how do they end up sending so much back home. does it come from direct earning or what.

maninasia

allibastor wrote: »

It is true, it is a egitimate topic to discuss, and it is always sidetracked by those who think that the race issue is so taboo that it cant be discussed.

It is worth investigating alright on how so much money annually can be sent home, the figure of 6,000 working would be correct enough as of a year ago. so how do they end up sending so much back home. does it come from direct earning or what.

It gets even more sidetracked by people who can't read beyond the first few posts.

Why does that happen?

We should do an investigation and see what are the causes?

-laziness?
-dyslexia?
-rush to judgement?
-liking to read ones own opinion before looking for facts?
-stupidity?
-criminals who have no time to read due to their criminal activities?


These are all interesting possibilities and we should get to the bottom of this before After Hours gets overwhelmed by people who don't read beyond the first page!

allibastor

maninasia wrote: »

It gets even more sidetracked by people who can't read beyond the first few posts.

Why does that happen?

We should do an investigation and see what are the causes?

-laziness?
-dyslexia?
-rush to judgement?
-liking to read ones own opinion before looking for facts?
-stupidity?
-criminals who have no time to read due to their criminal activities?


These are all interesting possibilities and we should get to the bottom of this before After Hours gets overwhelmed by people who don't read beyond the first page!

What in gods name are you on about?

I did actually read a good number of the posts, a lot of it then boils down to people who have a debate with another person.

I thought it was a very relevent post on why cant an issue be brought up with out throwing the race card at it and then people missing the point of the topic.

maninasia

allibastor wrote: »

What in gods name are you on about?

I did actually read a good number of the posts, a lot of it then boils down to people who have a debate with another person.

I thought it was a very relevent post on why cant an issue be brought up with out throwing the race card at it and then people missing the point of the topic.

What issue are you talking about?

The made up imaginary estimated numbers?

What's your point?

allibastor

maninasia wrote: »

What issue are you talking about?

The made up imaginary estimated numbers?

What's your point?

the issue that a discussion on immigrants or any race that is not Irish cant be brough up without someone yelling racism on it and people attacking the motives of the arguement, as opposed to the actual content of the arguement.

maninasia

allibastor wrote: »

the issue that a discussion on immigrants or any race that is not Irish cant be brough up without someone yelling racism on it and people attacking the motives of the arguement, as opposed to the actual content of the arguement.

But there's no content to discuss, they are made up numbers. They are completely unreliable and inaccurate with no actual figures on remittances from Ireland included.

So what do you want to talk about? The weather?

You want to investigate imaginary remittances is that it?

You said you 'wanted to know how do the send so much back home per year, is it direct earnings or what?'

Did you really read the thread because you do know you are dealing with imaginary numbers, yeah?

Gatling

maninasia wrote: »

It gets even more sidetracked by people who can't read beyond the first few posts.

Why does that happen?

We should do an investigation and see what are the causes?

-laziness?
-dyslexia?
-rush to judgement?
-liking to read ones own opinion before looking for facts?
-stupidity?
-criminals who have no time to read due to their criminal activities?


These are all interesting possibilities and we should get to the bottom of this before After Hours gets overwhelmed by people who don't read beyond the first page!

So anybody that's posted is
Lazy
Has learning difficulties
Stupid
And are criminals

maninasia

Well there must be reasons why people don't seem to be able to read past the first few posts and then post their opinion on the topic. It seems to happen on a regular basis. Bam, they read page 1 and they educated themselves on the subject already.

Could you suggest some for us? We are doing righteous investigations yeah? Why can't I appoint myself as a righteous investigator of imaginary crimes and suspicious behaviours? I can then tag on whatever nefarious activities or personal failings they are doing to cause this. All in my own head of course!

Don't forget the important business at hand, Dail questions are coming and all!
We are doing an investigation of imaginary numbers here right, how Nigerians send imaginary money from Ireland to Nigeria.

I mean there were lots of imaginary reasons given for Nigerians to be sending imaginary money to Nigeria from Ireland. Criminal activity was a favourite choice. So was illegally working and claiming social welfare at the same time.

Some even said they worked hard for their imaginary money they were sending to Nigeria, shock and horror! Nigerians working had for imaginary money. We have heard it all now folks .

I'm wondering how the Dail will deal with these imaginary numbers. Actually I think they will do quite well, they like to generate a lot of them themselves, usually before an election.

allibastor

maninasia wrote: »

But there's no content to discuss, they are made up numbers. They are completely unreliable and inaccurate with no actual figures on remittances from Ireland included.

So what do you want to talk about? The weather?

You want to investigate imaginary remittances is that it?

You said you 'wanted to know how do the send so much back home per year, is it direct earnings or what?'

Did you really read the thread because you do know you are dealing with imaginary numbers, yeah?

As said at my first post dude, I still dont see the point in how a discussion can always end in racist issue being brought you.

If we talk about ANY issue relating to different races in Ireland it always get shouted down as a comment that you are either a racist or not, you cant have a differnet view point without one side saying the other is racist.

I agree that the numbers seemed high, I did say that the issue needed to be looked at, mainly becuase it was unbeleiveable. But still the main point I made is valid, why cant a discussion take place without the racism issue being brougth up. Happens with traveller discussions, Multiculturalism dicussions, issues on integration etc.

maninasia

Look at the first post, there is no mention that it is an estimate, not a number based on reality. There's still no mention even though I asked for it to be mentioned to stop people new to the thread getting the wrong end of the stick continually.

The only reason there is a question mark in the title, and not the statement as was originally made, is because I asked the Mods to change the title. I got a warning for my trouble too as supposedly I was saying that there were racist statements in the thread. Does 'they all married ugly women' qualify as racist or ignorant? Are the continual references to criminal behaviour and welfare fraud relevant to made-up and inaccurate numbers?

I think the OPs first post should be changed, because it still links this imaginary number with an ethnic group in Ireland, and gives the impression that this is based on a real dataset from Ireland. It is not.

Is this fair or right?

I don't want to use the R word but what is it then? Obstinacy? Anti-PC for the sake of being Anti-PC?

I don't get why this is allowed stand.

AlekSmart

maninasia wrote: »

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Why can't I appoint myself as a righteous investigator of imaginary crimes and suspicious behaviours? I can then tag on whatever nefarious activities or personal failings they are doing to cause this. All in my own head of course!

Don't forget the important business at hand, Dail questions are coming and all!

We are doing an investigation of imaginary numbers here right, how Nigerians send imaginary money from Ireland to Nigeria.

I mean there were lots of imaginary reasons given for Nigerians to be sending imaginary money to Nigeria from Ireland. Criminal activity was a favourite choice. So was illegally working and claiming social welfare at the same time.

Some even said they worked hard for their imaginary money they were sending to Nigeria, shock and horror! Nigerians working had for imaginary money. We have heard it all now folks .

I'm wondering how the Dail will deal with these imaginary numbers. Actually I think they will do quite well, they like to generate a lot of them themselves, usually before an election.

Have to say that,judging from the apoplectic nature of some of your responses here,you seem very comfortable with appointing yourself the Witchfinder General in relation to posters who'se opinions don't conform to your own...

We get the drift that you feel the WorldBank and the Independent are somehow linked in a concerted effort to diss the Nigerian folks who fled to Ireland.

I don't for a moment accept the absolute veracity of the reported figures,but they are part of an official publication from a reputable organization,even including a caveat for those people you accuse of being malleable and open to misdirection.

So,if it continues to please the mod's,I'd like to make my own deductions on the issues raised by the OP....you maintain that there are NO issues,so presumably,there are now no more reasons to interfere with others enjoyment of the thread ?

maninasia

allibastor wrote: »

But still the main point I made is valid, why cant a discussion take place without the racism issue being brougth up. Happens with traveller discussions, Multiculturalism dicussions, issues on integration etc.

I understand your frustration.

Yet if somebody makes a connection between one ethnic group and a negative behaviour or suspicious behaviour or illegal behaviour, one should back it up with FACTS.

Otherwise, you are crossing the line.

Here the assertions of many posters are simply not backed up by a FACT, just an imaginary number that is misquoted as a FACT.

So all I'm asking is, if people want to throw out assertions, they need to be able to back them up in reality. Otherwise what is the motivation behind these false assertions?

maninasia

AlekSmart wrote: »

So,if it continues to please the mod's,I'd like to make my own deductions on the issues raised by the OP....you maintain that there are NO issues,so presumably,there are now no more reasons to interfere with others enjoyment of the thread ?

Issues still remain.

So you don't accept for a moment the veracity of the report and Independent article on same, yet the OP's title and first post should stand as is, with no mention in his post that it is an estimate and not a real number based in reality?

You don't think that's a problem, because it is according to the Equality legislation regarding discrimination in Ireland. You cannot single out ethnic groups to spread erroneous and misleading and negative information without consequences. Many countries have hate laws against such behaviour, I'm not a solicitor so I do not know the the consequences in Ireland for false and misleading assertions about ethnic groups.

Now the title has been changed according to my request (it was originally formulated as a statement), however the OPs first post is still very misleading.

Hank Scorpio

Probably have to pay back the people who got them over here in the first place, documents and such are meant to cost alot of money judging from the documentaries I've watched

maninasia

Yeah, I seen documentaries too on aliens and stuff, probably paying the aliens who flew them over in the flying saucers with the alien imaginary money.

AlekSmart

maninasia wrote: »

Issues still remain.

So you don't accept for a moment the veracity of the report and Independent article on same, yet the OP's title and first post should stand as is, with no mention in his post that it is an estimate and not a real number based in reality?

You don't think that's a problem, because it is according to the Equality legislation regarding discrimination in Ireland. You cannot single out ethnic groups to spread erroneous and misleading and negative information without consequences.

Many countries have hate laws against such behaviour, I'm not a solicitor so I do not know the the consequences in Ireland for false and misleading assertions about ethnic groups.

Now the title has been changed according to my request (it was originally formulated as a statement), however the OPs first post is still very misleading.

You can,of course deal with "Issues" in whatever way you wish,as long as you stick with your own issues.

For me,the opening words of the OP are good enough to point a reasonably cogniscent adult in the right direction...

Disillusoned read this article...

Read the article,then using whatever faculties you possess,make your own mind up on what it contains...the conclusions you reach are entirely up to the individual,ranging from dismissing it as all a big anti-Nigerian conspiracy,or as in my case,seeing it as a worthwhile addition to my own store of knowledge on the topic,however small that may be.

It's interesting that you now jump to involve Big Brother,by quoting Irish Equality and Discrimination Leglislation as if,by discussing the Independent article we are waging some kind of war on Nigeria and it's citizens.

It's interesting that you mention consequences of making false or misleading assertions about ethnic groups,as when I raised the same issue regarding one of the cause-celebres of supposedly oppressed and discrimnated against Nigerians,Pamela Izevbekhai,and her tour-de-force in Falsehoods and Misleading Assertions,all I got was this from Nodin ....

Did you go out with her, or lend her money or something.....?

With an an even more erudite response from Hooradiation...

Oh Christ, any more of this and you'll finally vanish up your own hole.
I eagerly await this kind mercy.

I suppose I could go rushing off to Mod Central crying foul etc etc,but that only goes against the principle of a discussion board...cripes,just let the thing flow and live with the fact that many people are dubious about the circumstances which they see,hear and experience around them out here on the street...:eek:

Most of the Nigerians I know are just like ourselves,big boys and girls,robust and well able to fight their corner with gusto,some might say to a provenly more substantial level than the Natives here !

And good for them too :eek:

hooradiation

AlekSmart wrote: »

I suppose I could go rushing off to Mod Central crying foul etc etc,

By all means, go right ahead. I thoroughly encourage it.
That is, if you think your grievance is legitimate and not simply a passive aggressive martyr act.

Gatling

I take nobody had seen the feedback thread on this racist subject

Grand Moff Tarkin

maninasia wrote: »

It's this kind of offensive crap that makes this thread stink, good on ya, you manage to insult both an ethnic group and their Irish wives at one time.

Well done.

The folks that have a problem with Nigerians on here haven't done themselves any favors or won any supporters with their rush to judgement on made up figures.

Most if not all of those marriages were of conveniences so the lads could secure the golden ticket aka the Irish passport. To see the way they treat the women once they marry is quite disgusting but of course the liberals would tell you that how they treat their women is all part of their "culture" which has to be respected or face being labelled as a racist. Of course the lads make no effort to integrated into Irish culture.

Nodin

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Most if not all of those marriages were of conveniences so the lads could secure the golden ticket aka the Irish passport. To see the way they treat the women once they marry is quite disgusting but of course the liberals would tell you that how they treat their women is all part of their "culture" which has to be respected or face being labelled as a racist. Of course the lads make no effort to integrated into Irish culture.

More generalised anecdotal crap? There's a shock. Have you anything that would even partially back that up?

mattjack

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Most if not all of those marriages were of conveniences so the lads could secure the golden ticket aka the Irish passport. To see the way they treat the women once they marry is quite disgusting but of course the liberals would tell you that how they treat their women is all part of their "culture" which has to be respected or face being labelled as a racist. Of course the lads make no effort to integrated into Irish culture.

How do you know ? ..

" Most , if not all " that's quite a statement to make.

Montroseee

Gatling wrote: »

I take nobody had seen the feedback thread on this racist subject

No I have not and as the creator of this thread and debate, it is important that I do. Thanks.

AlekSmart

Nodin wrote: »

More generalised anecdotal crap? There's a shock. Have you anything that would even partially back that up?

Yes indeed that ol generalization again...as in what the great unwashed talk about down the pub n' stuff....it's so awful,but thats the general public for ya...they just won't do what they're told

I've no real interest in what they do within the bounds of marriage,except a wee bit of first-hand knowledge from a close relative's experience,but that experience remains her business and not for me to craft into a good story...:o

What does interest me,and is in a way connected to Grad Moff Tarkin's point,is the huge disparity between the quoted total of 17,000+ Nigerian Citizens here and those 600 Work Permits or 1.6%.

The Work Permit issuing process has an actual link to the value of it's holder to the State,it follows that those 600 Nigerians were possessed of qualifications,and/or specializations which were/are required in Ireland.

That leaves a substantial number of persons given leave to remain,with no real reference to their ability or potential ability to make any meaningful contribution to the State.

So yes,there is often value in such "anecdotal crap",if only for it's ability to stimulate people's faculties,critical or otherwise.

AlekSmart

Montroseee wrote: »

No I have not and as the creator of this thread and debate, it is important that I do. Thanks.

I would'nt get too elevated over it,as it appears to boil down to some folks needing to pin a racism tail on every passing donkey.

Stll no great concern from anybody as to why the Irish Diaspora appear so unwilling/unable to remit the few bob back home to buy a few candles to put in the winda.....:)

Grand Moff Tarkin

Nodin wrote: »

More generalised anecdotal crap? There's a shock. Have you anything that would even partially back that up?

Even if I were to post a list full of facts and figures you would find fault with it so I just won't bother.

AlekSmart

hooradiation wrote: »

By all means, go right ahead. I thoroughly encourage it.
That is, if you think your grievance is legitimate and not simply a passive aggressive martyr act.

Yep,I thought you might,sure nuff.

But,nah I've no grievance with ya at all....most of the martyring on here appears to be from the "Surrounded by Racists" brigade