Are Ireland's 17,600 Nigerian residents able to send home 468 M last year???

General General

I've dealt with people from Nigeria living here in Ireland. I've seen nothing but good. However, I know you should not generalize, based on some thirty or forty different people...

If this number isn't a typo, my guess is money laundering is behind this... in which case, we are like some kind of Switzerland for Africa.

Yodel-eh-ee-hee.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

I was in tallaght Garda station on Friday ,at the desk was a young Nigerian chap (he stated to the desk Guard) he wanted a woman arrested who shipped a BMW he had bought for €24,000 from dublin to Nigeria, the car was then supposedly siezed by Nigerian customs ,the garda replied where did you get the money buy a BMW and have it shipped to Nigeria "can you not buy a BMW in Nigeria" nigerian chap replied I used my job seekers to buy it ,again garda how long were you saving "7 months " was the reply suddenly the somebody became interested in how 188pw could allow him to save €24,000 in 7 months ,the Nigerian chap then says I don't want the car , I want the €35,000 in a case in the boot of the said BMW returned ,again where did you get the € 35,000 in the boot of the car supposedly now in Nigeria " I saved my job seeker for a few months "
Now how the hell does anybody save that amount €50,000 give or take on jobseeker's while paying rent ,bills and food I dont think so ,
Again this chap demanded the again I want somebody arrested now ,
Garda on the desk calls a detective down to take the complaint I suspect its going to end badly for the original complainant

I BELIEVE U!!!!!!!!

Gatling

Nodin wrote: »

I BELIEVE U!!!!!!!!

Don't really care if you do ,

HurtLocker

Any group of society who are averaging 26k disposable income basically per every member including children should be investigated.

Lets take nationality out of it. An average family of four is sending €104,000 out of the country every year after taxes and living expenses after arriving in the country 10 years ago. That should be investigated.

Somethings not right. Either someone made a typo or a small percentage Nigerians are reeling in some serious €€€.:eek:

Nodin

Norwesterner wrote: »

I'm an Irish immigrant abroad. (refused dole and unable to find work in Ireland)
To enter the country I'm in I had to take a full medical, including AIDS test.
I had to show sufficient funds to keep myself for 1 year.
I had to provide a police report showing I had no criminal record.

I received no Welfare or state funding as I looked for work.
I received no help to pay my rent (the concept is unheard of here).

I now earn 4$ an hour and unable to send any cash home.
I'm absolutely livid reading this from abroad.

Why?

Norwesterner

Nodin wrote: »

Why?

Envy? Jealousy? Feel discriminated against?
Usual human emotions.
Now thinking back on the despicable way I was treated by SW when I tried to make another go in my own country as a returned emigre.

Also baffled by these figures in the middle of the biggest recession in decades.

woodoo

Forest Demon wrote: »

The elephant in the room is people are suspected of signing on with multiple identities and then wiring the money home. Do we really think that the state institutions are so on top of things that this does not happen in Ireland. Huge crackdown in the UK at the moment.

Anyone caught doing that should be deported after their sentence.

Death and Taxes

Gatling wrote: »

I was in tallaght Garda station on Friday ,at the desk was a young Nigerian chap (he stated to the desk Guard) he wanted a woman arrested who shipped a BMW he had bought for €24,000 from dublin to Nigeria, the car was then supposedly siezed by Nigerian customs ,the garda replied where did you get the money buy a BMW and have it shipped to Nigeria "can you not buy a BMW in Nigeria" nigerian chap replied I used my job seekers to buy it ,again garda how long were you saving "7 months " was the reply suddenly the somebody became interested in how 188pw could allow him to save €24,000 in 7 months ,the Nigerian chap then says I don't want the car , I want the €35,000 in a case in the boot of the said BMW returned ,again where did you get the € 35,000 in the boot of the car supposedly now in Nigeria " I saved my job seeker for a few months "
Now how the hell does anybody save that amount €50,000 give or take on jobseeker's while paying rent ,bills and food I dont think so ,
Again this chap demanded the again I want somebody arrested now ,
Garda on the desk calls a detective down to take the complaint I suspect its going to end badly for the original complainant

You should change your name to Hans Christian Anderson!

Nodin

Norwesterner wrote: »

Envy? Jealousy? Feel discriminated against?
Usual human emotions.
Now thinking back on the despicable way I was treated by SW when I tried to make another go in my own country as a returned emigre..

The way they do things where you are is not dictated to or influenced by the way they do things over here. Itys therefore hard to see where the jealousy comes in. Unless Irish people are discriminated against, I don't see why you feel that way either.

Presumably you had problems claiming when you came back because 'proof of residency' and all that? That was brought in to stop welfare tourism.

Gatling

woodoo wrote: »

Anyone caught doing that should be deported after their sentence.

We couldn't deport a single person even if we actually tried

Montroseee

woodoo wrote: »

Anyone caught doing that should be deported after their sentence.

They'd somehow return within a month or two under a new identity.

Death and Taxes

Gatling wrote: »

We couldn't deport a single person even if we actually tried

We regularly deport people, even charter panes to do it, Hans!
Any more "Once upon a time" tales for us?:rolleyes:

Nodin

Montroseee wrote: »

They'd somehow return within a month or two under a new identity.

...is this AH now, or the real world?

cedarwoodstate

After doing a little bit of research turns out the figures are correct - Verified by the World Bank. You can check the figures in the Excel spreadsheets provided on their website

Also from those datasets, it appears the high remittances from Nigerians isn't only in 2011, but the figure of c. €500 Million holds in 2010 and 2012. So the figures are correct!.

So that would mean that the average Nigerian in Ireland(This includes children) is sending home over €20,000 per year. Now I'm sure that the number of Nigerians in Ireland is underestimated, but it couldn't be to this scale.

Some more investigation needs to be done into this.

Death and Taxes

I have no doubt you do, sadly you appear to think that is something to be proud of!

Gatling

Death and Taxes wrote: »

We regularly deport people, even charter panes to do it, Hans!
Any more "Once upon a time" tales for us?:rolleyes:

Links to verified proof please

Dyr

Theyre some pack of racists, the world bank

Montroseee

cedarwoodstate wrote: »

After doing a little bit of research turns out the figures are correct - Verified by the World Bank. You can check the figures in the Excel spreadsheets provided on their website

Also from those datasets, it appears the high remittances from Nigerians isn't only in 2011, but the figure of c. €500 Million holds in 2010 and 2012. So the figures are correct!.

So that would mean that the average Nigerian in Ireland(This includes children) is sending home over €20,000 per year. Now I'm sure that the number of Nigerians in Ireland is underestimated, but it couldn't be to this scale.

Some more investigation needs to be done into this.

Well to all that were doubting the credibility of the statistics, there you go. The CSO number of 17.6 k Nigerian residents is also correct and is the number that are here legally, I'm sure plenty are here illegally.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

Links to verified proof please

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/News%20and%20Events

Gatling

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/News%20and%20Events

Holy crap 46 people deported and like that actually made a difference

We missed the chap shot dead in rathcoole recently deported for rape back in Ireland running his business 2 weeks later

Montroseee

Gatling wrote: »

Holy crap 46 people deported and like that actually made a difference

We missed the chap shot dead in rathcoole recently deported back in Ireland running his business 2 weeks later

Made a reference to that on the page before and a poster dismissed it as fiction.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

Holy crap 46 people deported and like that actually made a difference

...in 2013. As opppossed to what you said earlier

We couldn't deport a single person even if we actually tried

Gatling wrote: »

We missed the chap shot dead in rathcoole recently deported for rape back in Ireland running his business 2 weeks later

...so if a system doesn't work 100% perfectly it doesn't exist...?

Nodin

Montroseee wrote: »

Made a reference to that on the page before and a poster dismissed it as fiction.

...that was a reference to bans and re-regs. Bit of humour. I know yez lose the bit of humour when yiz get the blood up about the immigrants, but I still try to lighten the mood now and again.

cedarwoodstate

Nodin wrote: »

...in 2013. As opppossed to what you said earlier






...so if a system doesn't work 100% perfectly it doesn't exist...?

You're both going very off topic here. The point remains, how & why are c.20,000 people able to send c.€500 Million overseas considering the 20k figure includes children and 40% of the adults are unemployed?

Nodin

cedarwoodstate wrote: »

You're both going very off topic here. The point remains, how & why are c.20,000 people able to send c.€500 Million overseas considering the 20k figure includes children and 40% of the adults are unemployed?

I didn't bring the subject up.

If I knew that, I'd charge you for the answer.

bobwilliams

Deleted User wrote: »

Or maybe they're just living within their means? Plus you don't know how many jobs some of those people could be potentially working!

you forgot to put loads of these in your post:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:..........i hope

southsiderosie

cedarwoodstate wrote: »

After doing a little bit of research turns out the figures are correct - Verified by the World Bank. You can check the figures in the Excel spreadsheets provided on their website

Also from those datasets, it appears the high remittances from Nigerians isn't only in 2011, but the figure of c. €500 Million holds in 2010 and 2012. So the figures are correct!.

So that would mean that the average Nigerian in Ireland(This includes children) is sending home over €20,000 per year. Now I'm sure that the number of Nigerians in Ireland is underestimated, but it couldn't be to this scale.

Some more investigation needs to be done into this.

Did you actually read the paper you are posting the links to?

The FIRST SENTENCE of the section on their methodology notes:

Credible national data on bilateral remittances are not available.

These numbers are not based on actual figures from Western Union or similar transfer agencies. Instead the authors use a set of assumptions to model remittance activity. One of the key flaws is that transfer activity may get picked up as remittance activity:

Even when such data are reported, they may not be accurate, because funds channeled through international banks may be attributed to a country other than the actual source country. For example, funds flowing from the Gulf region through international banks may be attributed to New York or London (Ratha 2005). Market players and researchers, therefore, have attempted to derive bilateral remittance flows indirectly using bilateral migrant stock data and estimates and assumptions about the remittance behavior of migrants.

Bottom line: studies like these are best taken with a grain of salt, because the analysis relies on a model, rather than actual financial data.

bootybouncer

Not keen on Nigerians at all....................................

mattjack

southsiderosie wrote: »

Did you actually read the paper you are posting the links to?

The FIRST SENTENCE of the section on their methodology notes:



These numbers are not based on actual figures from Western Union or similar transfer agencies. Instead the authors use a set of assumptions to model remittance activity. One of the key flaws is that transfer activity may get picked up as remittance activity:



Bottom line: studies like these are best taken with a grain of salt, because the analysis relies on a model, rather than actual financial data.

Damn you , your logic and sense of reasoning.

Gatling

Nodin wrote: »

...in 2013. As opppossed to what you said earlier






...so if a system doesn't work 100% perfectly it doesn't exist...?

I was going off the many high profile cases that even included one of our former President giving evidence on behalf of a failed asylum seeker that couldn't be deported despite proven there application being bogus ,
Over the last 20 years how many have entered illegally and at most 250 people have be deported ,
Another case was the Lithuanian caught fiddling the dole 3 times while working full time ,still here

We need better and stricter immigration control
The government should confiscate this money being sent overseas till its proven where it came from CAB should be all over this