Does a tenant have the right to let a friend stay over?

daithi1970

it might be worth it to see the look on the ll's kid's face..

daithi

starling

daithi1970 wrote: »

it might be worth it to see the look on the ll's kid's face..

daithi

Meh, I suspect it would just be the same look he had on his face the first time around - the bulging eyes and red cheeks of an incipient tantrum.:) No way the interaction could have any positive outcome, I think.

jmayo

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Yes, I am a LL, and I have clearly said what I would do in this situation in a previous post.

The LL in this case only knew as the OP had met the LL's son, presumably randonly outside the house one day. So how was the LL supposed to know it was a 3 day house-sit.

You see the problem you appear to have is you, much like the landlord/landlord's son, are presuming and by extension probably assuming.
You know what they say about assuming ?

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

All the LL knows is that there is someone else staying in the house, and the tenant is 'on holiday'. How does he know how long it has been for?

The LL in this case overreacted, I agree, given that he subsequently found out that is was for 3 days. I would have tried to get hold of the tenant as soon as possible to clarify the situation.

So if the OP had told you she was staying over for a few days while cousin (tenant) was away you would phone the cousin (tenant) ?

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Moral of the story....tell your LL rather than him finding out for himself, especially if he / she is local

Yeah maybe anyone on the pull in Coppers should phone their landlords before hooking up with someone and bringing them home.
Better let them know especially if they are local.

Grandpa Hassan

jmayo wrote: »

You see the problem you appear to have is you, much like the landlord/landlord's son, are presuming and by extension probably assuming.
You know what they say about assuming ?



So if the OP had told you she was staying over for a few days while cousin (tenant) was away you would phone the cousin (tenant) ?



Yeah maybe anyone on the pull in Coppers should phone their landlords before hooking up with someone and bringing them home.
Better let them know especially if they are local.

ugh....here we go again. You are just being deliberately facetious. I said right from the outset that a few days does not count as 'living' there, and that the LL in this case was completely out of order. I am sorry for the OP that she ran into such a d*ck.

But as a more general point, if I paid a visit to my property (after giving the requisite notice of course) and found someone else there, who said he / she was staying there while the tenant was 'on holiday', yes, I would get in touch with the tenant immediately. I put 'on holiday' in inverted commas because that, of course, is what anyone who is sub-letting would tell me.

I rent to my tenant, not to anyone else. Tenancy agreements do not allow anyone else to live at the property without the landlord's permission. I, like most, would take a reasonable approach for a few days or weeks. But what if it runs to 2 month, or 6 months? Where do you draw the line?

Or do you believe that if the tenant pays the rent on time, they should be able to have whoever living there that they want? Or rent the spare room without my knowledge?

As an aside, I rent in London now, and the agent requires me to inform them even if my girlfriend moves in to share with me. Without the LL's agreement, I am 'sharing possession' and am therefore in breach of my lease. Luckily my LL is fine with that situation, as I would be with my tenants in Ireland if they were in a similar situation. But a LL would be quite within their rights to deny it, or request references.

A tenant has the right to enjoy their home without interference from the LL. But the LL has the right to determine who 'lives' there. The only question is where the line is drawn between 'staying temporarily' which is fine, and 'living' which is not. Communication with the LL would avoid such confusion if someone is staying for a prolonged period (which again, just to re-iterate the point, is longer than the OP's 3 days!)

BostonB

Its amazing in a world where communication is 24/7 and mobiles are everywhere, as internet and email. People can't communicate.

gaius c

starling wrote: »

She freaked out and called me, was basically livid. At one stage she said "I have to live there!

We did warn you!

starling

gaius c wrote: »

We did warn you!

Heh, yeah. I can understand her concern, and she was under stress.

Minor quibble, though; if my cousin said "just spent a very unpleasant night in your gaf. Nutcase neighbour was so aggressive I had to call the guards" I like to think I'd at least ask "are you okay, what happened, what did he do?" before getting to "how is this going to inconvenience me......"

it'll blow over though, nbd.