Your "Increase in Value" XI.

SlickRic

shamelessly stolen from elsewhere.

rather than picking your usual mundane "Team of the Season", the challenge is to pick the XI you think whose value has risen over the course of the 2012/13 EPL season.

mine:

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McCarthy

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Coleman----Koscielny----Luiz

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Rose

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Schneiderlin

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Mata

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Michu

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Maloney

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Lukaku

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Benteke

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go...

kfallon

Maybe Begovic in goal?

Stewart Downing too, everyone thought he was worth fúck all at the start of the season but now he's defo worth a fiver :pac:

FearDark

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Bale

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Bale----Bale----Bale----Bale

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Bale

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Bale

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Bale

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Bale

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Bale

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Bale

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PhlegmyMoses

Begovic
Rafael Koscielny Evans Zabaleta
Michu Yacob Fellaini Bale
Benteke Lambert

Morzadec

In pure value terms I think you'd have to have Suarez and Bale in there.

Suarez has gone from a £30/35m player to a £45/50m player.

Bale will have made a similar leap.

In terms of percentage of previous value obviously there are better candidates (e.g. Michu from £3m to maybe £12m, a quadrupling of value), but in pure value terms I would say Suarez and Bale would probably blow everyone out of the water.

Also, if you counted Courtois he would have to take the goalkeeper slot. He would command a huge fee now for a goalkeeper imo.

Red Crow

De Gea
Rafael Kos Evans Coleman
McManaman McCarthy Diame Mata
Michu
Benteke

Paully D

Mignolet

Azpilacueta Nastasic Jagielka Shaw

Cork

Coutinho Michu Maloney

Benteke Lambert

Bale, Suarez, Lukaku etc would all be in there but I've tried to go for something a bit different.

mike65

Tricky....I'm not including obvious big money names.

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Mignolet
Azpilicueta--?--McCarthy (J)----Rose

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Diamé--Schneiderlin
McManaman--Michu---Coutinho

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Benteke

LiamoSail

De Gea, Luiz, mata and Lukaku all cost £20m+. I don't think any are worth substantially more then what was paid for them now

JPA

At Villa Benteke, Weimann, Westwood, Lowton and Guzan.

peabutler

Brad Guzan was let go for free and resigned last summer ? An infinite percentage increase in value

Dubliner28

Begovic

Coleman
Rafeal
Ivanovic (Priceless to Chelsea)

Bale
Mata
McManaman
Michu
Hazzard

Lukaku
Benteke

Id say Baines easily added 5mill to his price tag this season. He's been immense. Mata also.

greendom

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Begovic

Coleman
Rafeal
Ivanovic (Priceless to Chelsea)

Bale
Mata
McManaman
Michu
Hazzard

Lukaku
Benteke

Id say Baines easily added 5mill to his price tag this season. He's been immense. Mata also.

How much did Hazard cost Chelsea ? €32 million? Would anyone really pay significantly more than that 1 season later ?

COYVB

Baffling lack of Guzan from non-Villa fans

eagle eye

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Mignolet
Zabaleta-Chico-Vertonghen-Shaw

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McCarthy-Dembele
--Mata

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Michu

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Cazorla

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Benteke

Reekwind

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Mignolet

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Azpilicueta----Koscielny----Evans

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Rose

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Schneiderlin

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Diame

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McCarthy

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Michu

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Maloney

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Benteke

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I'm not sure why people are still mentioning Mata, he's performing at a level that you'd expect from a £24m+ player

Jax Teller

Mignolet
Lowton Evans Nastasic Davies
Dembele Schneiderlin
De Guzman Lallana Weimann
Benteke

De Guzman is on loan but am sure they'll be looking for more money after a decent season .

Moneymaker

Guzan
Coleman
Kos
Evans
Baines
Diame
Michu
Schnerderlin
Bale
McManamam
Benteke

How do players who were bought for 20m+ feature here? All of the above were signed for pennies are probably worth numerous times what they were bought for.

Red Crow

If someone goes from being a 20 million pound player to a 45 million pound player then that's more than a 3 million player going for 8/9 million.

How hard is that to understand?

Rhys Essien

Two Irish players for me would be David Meyler and Paddy Madden.I hope Bohs have a sell on clause for Madden.

whatawaster

Coutinho has probably doubled in value in 6 months, I'd probably have him there:

Seaneh

GK: Emiliano Viviano

RB: Juan Guillermo Cuadrado
CB: Mehdi Benatia
CB: Angelo Ogbonna
LB: Mattia De Sciglio

CM: Borja Valero
CM: Paul Pogba
CM: Blerim Dzemaili

RF: Alessio Cerci
CF: Luis Muriel
LF: Stephan El Shaarawy


I think all of those players are valued considerably higher now than they were at the start of the season.



[edit]

Just swapped Alessandro Diamanti for Paul Pogba, who considering he cost buttons in compensation last year and is now worth around €15-€20 million, is an obvious inclusion and I can't believe I forgot him.


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eagle eye

LiamoSail wrote: »

De Gea, Luiz, mata and Lukaku all cost £20m+. I don't think any are worth substantially more then what was paid for them now

Mata is imo. I think he has gone into the top 10 in the world right now and at his young age is worth probably £50 million now.

I agree about the others. Lukaku's value has certainly risen over the last 12 months but I don't think that rise is that significant. He has shown that he can play at Premier League level, now he has to prove he can do it under pressure for a top club.

De Gea might not be valued at the money paid for him right now even though he did play well for most of the season. For me he still has some question marks with the high cross.

I am very surprised to see people suggest that Luiz is worth more, I just don't see it myself.

Skylinehead

Eli Manning wrote: »

If someone goes from being a 20 million pound player to a 45 million pound player then that's more than a 3 million player going for 8/9 million.

How hard is that to understand?

De Gea isn't a 45m player. I wouldn't pay any more than what Fergie paid for him (17m odd?), so his value hasn't really increased at all. Rather, he's starting to justify his rather large price tag.

Red Crow

Skylinehead wrote: »

De Gea isn't a 45m player. I wouldn't pay any more than what Fergie paid for him (17m odd?), so his value hasn't really increased at all. Rather, he's starting to justify his rather large price tag.

I'd say he's worth more than that now but each to their own.

Fart

A big shout out for Chicharito and Rafael.

Biased, of course... so I'm going to go with Bebe too. :pac:

Skylinehead

Eli Manning wrote: »

I'd say he's worth more than that now but each to their own.

Very few goalkeepers are worth more than that kind of money. Buffon, Casillas,.....I'd struggle past those two in their primes (Buffons worth that even now). Not De Gea though, he hasn't even been the best keeper in the league this season.

Reekwind

Eli Manning wrote: »

If someone goes from being a 20 million pound player to a 45 million pound player then that's more than a 3 million player going for 8/9 million.

How hard is that to understand?

Because a 200% increase in value is greater than a 100% increase in value?

Pepe LeFrits

Mata's value hasn't gone up /that/ much either in my opinion, he was class last season too.

Liam O

Skylinehead wrote: »

Very few goalkeepers are worth more than that kind of money. Buffon, Casillas,.....I'd struggle past those two in their primes (Buffons worth that even now). Not De Gea though, he hasn't even been the best keeper in the league this season.

Who's been better as a matter of interest? De Gea is easily the most valuable goalkeeper in the world now I'd say, Courtois might come reasonably close but outside those 2 I can't think of a keeper that would be worth the big money.

Actually forgot Neuer. Silly me.

LiamoSail

Eli Manning wrote: »

If someone goes from being a 20 million pound player to a 45 million pound player then that's more than a 3 million player going for 8/9 million.

How hard is that to understand?

And whos value has has done that? Mata's value has no doubt increased, but I don't think luiz or de Gea would go for much more then what was paid for them, while lukaku's value has obviously increased, but one decent season with WBA doesn't mean he's suddenly worth £45m

Francie Barrett

Fernando Torres.

Mr.Nice Guy

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Begovic

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---Azpilicueta--A.Williams--Vertonghen----Davies

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McCarthy

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----McManaman

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Michu

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Bale

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Benteke

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Lambert

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Suarez

redzerdrog

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miglonet

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rafael

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nastasic

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vertongan----rose

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diame

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schnederlain

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michu

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suarez

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benteke

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bale

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Kirby

redzerdrog wrote: »

---diame

Diame went for free but that wasn't his true market value so he doesn't count. He only went on a free because he wouldn't sign a new contract and knew he would get big wages.

Besides, he's had quite a mediocre season by his standards anyway. He was better last year.

Skylinehead

Liam O wrote: »

Who's been better as a matter of interest? De Gea is easily the most valuable goalkeeper in the world now I'd say, Courtois might come reasonably close but outside those 2 I can't think of a keeper that would be worth the big money.

Actually forgot Neuer. Silly me.

Mignolet for one.

jive

Reekwind wrote: »

Because a 200% increase in value is greater than a 100% increase in value?

Alright you can have your 200% increase in value on a £3m player, I'll take the 100% increase in value on the £25m player... enjoy your extra percentage points

jive

Liam O wrote: »

Who's been better as a matter of interest? De Gea is easily the most valuable goalkeeper in the world now I'd say, Courtois might come reasonably close but outside those 2 I can't think of a keeper that would be worth the big money.

Actually forgot Neuer. Silly me.

My arse is De Gea the most valuable keeper in the world. You're giving age far too much consideration here because it is keepers we are talking about, they can play hot shít into their late 30s. Despite the major loving of De Gea on this forum for the past few months, he's definitely not the best keeper in the world nor is he the most valuable.

Liam O

jive wrote: »

My arse is De Gea the most valuable keeper in the world. You're giving age far too much consideration here because it is keepers we are talking about, they can play hot shít into their late 30s. Despite the major loving of De Gea on this forum for the past few months, he's definitely not the best keeper in the world nor is he the most valuable.

Well he's cost the 2nd most of any keeper ever, is the youngest first choice at pretty much every team in the premier league, the most expensive keeper ever is getting on so wont hold that value. He showed against Real that he can step up to the big games along with numerous point saving saves throughout the season.

A lot of people still base their opinion on the ridiculous sky sports vendetta against him, as shown by the fact above that Mignolet was better than him this season. You've just made a broad statement that probably supports my point, keepers play until their late 30s and he's playing at a high level in his early 20s, having gained his first team of the season in his 2nd year in the league. Yet people still proclaim keepers who have never played under anywhere near the pressure he has as better because they have more shots taken on them.

Anyone who saw Koscielny last season wouldn't think his value went up much this year.

Optimalprimerib

Morzadec wrote: »

In pure value terms I think you'd have to have Suarez and Bale in there.

Suarez has gone from a £30/35m player to a £45/50m player.

Bale will have made a similar leap.

In terms of percentage of previous value obviously there are better candidates (e.g. Michu from £3m to maybe £12m, a quadrupling of value), but in pure value terms I would say Suarez and Bale would probably blow everyone out of the water.

Also, if you counted Courtois he would have to take the goalkeeper slot. He would command a huge fee now for a goalkeeper imo.

I think the scumbaggary suarez got himself caught up in would keep his price around the 30 mill mark. There is too much baggage

jive

Liam O wrote: »

Well he's cost the 2nd most of any keeper ever, is the youngest first choice at pretty much every team in the premier league, the most expensive keeper ever is getting on so wont hold that value. He showed against Real that he can step up to the big games along with numerous point saving saves throughout the season.

A lot of people still base their opinion on the ridiculous sky sports vendetta against him, as shown by the fact above that Mignolet was better than him this season. You've just made a broad statement that probably supports my point, keepers play until their late 30s and he's playing at a high level in his early 20s, having gained his first team of the season in his 2nd year in the league. Yet people still proclaim keepers who have never played under anywhere near the pressure he has as better because they have more shots taken on them.

Just because he cost the 2nd most in an inflated market doesn't mean there aren't other keepers who are more valuable. He showed against Real what everyone already knew, he's a great shot stopper. He's also showed against many other teams, such as Spurs, that he flaps at every high ball under any kind of pressure.

I base my opinion on watching him not on what pundits on Sky Sports think, although I put a lot of weight in what Neville has to say. I'm not going to list a bunch of keepers I deem to be more valuable or get in to any in depth argument about fictional price tags because we'd bore each other to death. De Gea was dropped by Fergie himself before Christmas and he wasn't even in Spain's squad for the Euro's nor has he even been capped at senior international level as far as I'm aware. He's not that good, he might be eventually but right now he's just not, in my opinion. If people think that a good run of form for 4 months while United smashed teams in the Premier League makes him the most valuable keeper in the world then all the power to them... I 100% disagree that he is the most valuable though.

gustavo

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Two Irish players for me would be David Meyler and Paddy Madden.I hope Bohs have a sell on clause for Madden.

Madden's already been sold by the club he went abroad to, Carlisle.

JokerD

Sam Byram, Leeds. Sam had his first taste of first team action against Farsley Celtic in pre-season. I wouldn't say many expected him to be thrown straight into the first team for the upcoming season as he hadn't been in the team yet and Warnock had been buying a lot of experienced Championship players.

Fast forward to the end of the season,
Wins Fans' POTY and Players' POTY and has been liked with a move to Arsenal, Everton, Man City and Liverpool for around £8m.

Liam O

jive wrote: »

Just because he cost the 2nd most in an inflated market doesn't mean there aren't other keepers who are more valuable. He showed against Real what everyone already knew, he's a great shot stopper. He's also showed against many other teams, such as Spurs, that he flaps at every high ball under any kind of pressure.

I base my opinion on watching him not on what pundits on Sky Sports think, although I put a lot of weight in what Neville has to say. I'm not going to list a bunch of keepers I deem to be more valuable or get in to any in depth argument about fictional price tags because we'd bore each other to death. De Gea was dropped by Fergie himself before Christmas and he wasn't even in Spain's squad for the Euro's nor has he even been capped at senior international level as far as I'm aware. He's not that good, he might be eventually but right now he's just not, in my opinion. If people think that a good run of form for 4 months while United smashed teams in the Premier League makes him the most valuable keeper in the world then all the power to them... I 100% disagree that he is the most valuable though.

Surely there'll be loads of examples put up by people online of him flapping at all of these crosses then? I'm struggling to think of many that other goalkeepers wouldn't have struggled with in the entire 2nd half of the season. Who do you think is more valuable since you are yet to mention any? He has been great for a year and a half now, not 4 months.

jive

Liam O wrote: »

Surely there'll be loads of examples put up by people online of him flapping at all of these crosses then? I'm struggling to think of many that other goalkeepers wouldn't have struggled with in the entire 2nd half of the season. Who do you think is more valuable since you are yet to mention any? He has been great for a year and a half now, not 4 months.

Why would people put up a highlight reel of a keeper flapping at crosses? Are you honestly debating whether he is good or not under high ball? I'm not going to search youtube to post up videos of him doing poorly from crosses, it's fairly widely accepted even by the most hardcore United fans that he is inadequate in that department.

Who's more valuable? There's an even younger keeper more valuable than De Gea, Courtois. He won the Zamora award in Spain, set a new Atletico Madrid record for time between the sticks without conceding and is already the number 1 choice for his country ahead of the highly regarded Mignolet. Neuer is far more valuable; he's number 1 keeper for one of the best international teams, has conceded <20 in the league and just 1 goal in the CL knockout stages thus far. Casillas is 30 and Cech just turned 31, both of which I'd rate more highly than De Gea and both of which I believe would command a higher price tag.

People could make a case for Valdes (31), Lloris (26), Akinfeev (27), Hart (25), Begović (26), Mignolet (24) to name a few but I don't personally believe that they would be more valuable (ignoring contract considerations regarding Valdes). De Gea is still 3rd and maybe even 4th choice keeper for Spain so to say he's "easily" the most valuable in the world is laughable, imo.

Like I said, I don't want to get into a discussion about which keepers are more valuable than others because it'd be basically pissing against the wind. I've named 4 who I perceive to be more valuable and another 6 who could command a price similar to what I would expect a club to pay for De Gea. Just because United paid £18m or w/e it was and he has improved since then doesn't mean that he is worth substantially more than that now, that's just what United were willing to pay at the time. You can laugh at some of the suggestions and you're more than welcome to, I won't debate them with you because it's pointless. Based on all available information and my own perception of players abilities, particularly the first 4 keepers listed, De Gea simply isn't the most valuable keeper in the world; top 10 definitely, maybe even top 5, but 100% without doubt not numero uno.