Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Johnboy1951

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

its quiet clear what happened and who did it, but in the name of jaysus why noting has been done about it is beyond me

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete

people cannot accept that and blame the garda and this thread goes round in circles. There are other cases in similar situations where people have info and will not come forward

One of these cases is an example http://tracemissingpersonsireland.ie/irelands-missing-6/ I cannot remember which one maybe even more than one

oranbhoy67

dense wrote: »

How can he possibly be connected to this particular case?

the Chapel were Peter Tobin killed and buried the poor Polish girl was one I was in a few times before, my great Aunt went there and it was frequented by a lot of Irish in Glasgow, most of whom are from Donegal, or Donegal Descent

But a stranger never went in and took Mary, It would have been impossible without being noticed in that day and age

oranbhoy67

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

It never stopped the Gards getting a warrant to arrest Bryan McMahon who was serving time in Prison for abusing Boys not much younger than he was at the time of the crimes (I'm not excusing it in any way, just pointing out its not the same type of crime as murdering and disappearing a young girl.)

It is the retired Gards on the case belief that the suspect would crack if interrogated correctly. so why hasn't he been?

Also, I have recently read all witness statements from the day Mary went missing.

.. No wonder they are so scared of an inquest is all I can say when they cant get there stories right the day after she went missing they will find it even harder now.

Gorgeousgeorge

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete ....... which is highly unlikely after all this time.

plenty of proof did you watch either documentaries? stories dont add up? stories being changed.

suppose its not rock solid proof but it must be enough to warrant the case being more closely investigated

by8auj6csd3ioq

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Obviously there is no proof and that is why nothing has, or can be done, unless and until someone comes forward with something concrete .......  which is highly unlikely after all this time.

plenty of proof did you watch either documentaries? stories dont add up? stories being changed.

suppose its not rock solid proof but it must be enough to warrant the case being more closely investigated

What closer investigation can they do when people won't come forward?

Gorgeousgeorge

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

What closer investigation can they do when people won't come forward?

would they be heard if they did

tayto lover

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

would they be heard if they did

They could come forward with their solicitor surely.
Why do you feel they wouldn't be heard?

If there are people with information out there still then they must have hearts of stone to let this case go unsloved.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

What closer investigation can they do when people won't come forward?

would they be heard if they did

who do you mean would not hear them, the gardai?

oranbhoy67

Ocean Fms piece about Mary yesterday where they speak to Marys Mother, Marys twin, Margo O Donnell & myself

razor8

So frustrating listening to it. It’s just unbelievable the gardai haven’t done more

Ann the mother mentioned her brother Michael been accused but didn’t mention her brother in law. Did I pick that up right?

oranbhoy67

razor8 wrote: »

So frustrating listening to it. It’s just unbelievable the gardai haven’t done more

Ann the mother mentioned her brother Michael been accused but didn’t mention her brother in law. Did I pick that up right?

she didn't say he had been accused but she said something was said about him in the documentary .. which as far as I recall wasn't, he passed away a few years ago
I think it is very telling that the person we who we do believe killed Mary is never brought up by her mother

*edit sorry she did say people were accusing her brother Michael, we aren't and haven't, he wasn't there that day.

razor8

Very strange she would mention Michael but not highlight the other

She seems to have blocked things from her memory as some kind of coping mechanism

Creol1

razor8 wrote: »

Very strange she would mention Michael but not highlight the other

She seems to have blocked things from her memory as some kind of coping mechanism

I know in the documentary there was a reference to a man coming to the Guards crying and saying he knew who killed Mary -- I think that might have been Michael, although he wasn't named.

oranbhoy67

Creol1 wrote: »

I know in the documentary there was a reference to a man coming to the Guards crying and saying he knew who killed Mary -- I think that might have been Michael, although he wasn't named.

you are on the right track

Creol1

Did I pick it up right that Mrs Boyle said her son Charlie had committed suicide?

by8auj6csd3ioq

Is there any update ?

Shergar6

I will never understand how that mother can protect her child's killer. She was obviously going around telling certain people that he killed her so it's not like she was that afraid ..

dense

Creol1 wrote: »

Did I pick it up right that Mrs Boyle said her son Charlie had committed suicide?

??

Charlie was her husband who died in a fishing accident.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/missing-girls-father-one-of-three-tragic-drownings-in-five-hours-25976360.html

dense

Creol1 wrote: »

I know in the documentary there was a reference to a man coming to the Guards crying and saying he knew who killed Mary -- I think that might have been Michael, although he wasn't named.

I'd wondered about that. It makes more sense now.

oranbhoy67

new 7 part serial podcast coming out from BBC Europe on this case im glad to announce, I dont have dates yet but should be soon enough.. 2 minute trailer here .. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-body-recovered/id1488484437?fbclid=IwAR3OAJ5tPHNQ8M6xEsmIxHUhLFZu8pfqQ2g-2UkV2A89FTyTO_GaYMkkAEM

Muahahaha

Werent the Gardai supposed to be running a cold case review of this, did they ever give a report?

razor8

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

new 7 part serial podcast coming out from BBC Europe on this case im glad to announce, I dont have dates yet but should be soon enough.. 2 minute trailer here .. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-body-recovered/id1488484437?fbclid=IwAR3OAJ5tPHNQ8M6xEsmIxHUhLFZu8pfqQ2g-2UkV2A89FTyTO_GaYMkkAEM

Great news. Hope it manages to piece it all together and puts pressure on to conclude case eventually

oranbhoy67

Muahahaha wrote: »

Werent the Gardai supposed to be running a cold case review of this, did they ever give a report?

no

which they are notorious for doing

they told us they were scanning the farmland were Mary went missing in 2016

nothing since

we are gonna try push for excevations of the whole area if we get the publicity that we hope this podcast generates

Muahahaha

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

no

which they are notorious for doing

they told us they were scanning the farmland were Mary went missing in 2016

nothing since

we are gonna try push for excevations of the whole area if we get the publicity that we hope this podcast generates

yeah I noticed how they announced the cold case review right after the big protest outside Ballyshannon garda station and the subsequent increased media attention. And then as you say nothing. Nonetheless you deserve answers and not to be blanked by them. You should write to the Commissioner asking what is going on with the review, they shouldnt just be let away with announcing a review for PR purposes and then not reporting back the results of that review. The review was also announced under the previous Commissioner and we all know how incompetent she was, you might get more success now.

chooseusername

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

new 7 part serial podcast coming out from BBC Europe on this case im glad to announce, I dont have dates yet but should be soon enough.. 2 minute trailer here .. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-body-recovered/id1488484437?fbclid=IwAR3OAJ5tPHNQ8M6xEsmIxHUhLFZu8pfqQ2g-2UkV2A89FTyTO_GaYMkkAEM

Seven episodes , about 3 hours, will be available onhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07vf9qr/episodes/guide
should be fairly in-depth.
Even if it's all been covered before it will be good to keep the story alive.
Don't know if BBC podcasts available in Ireland

Johnboy1951

chooseusername wrote: »

Seven episodes , about 3 hours, will be available onhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07vf9qr/episodes/guide
should be fairly in-depth.
Even if it's all been covered before it will be good to keep the story alive.
Don't know if BBC podcasts available in Ireland

I was able to d/load the first one so should be OK for Ireland.

oranbhoy67

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I was able to d/load the first one so should be OK for Ireland.

all 7 will be available tonight 30 minutes each

if not available on bbc for us in Ireland it should be on other podcast hosts/apps online

oranbhoy67

podcast up to stream now, im just after listening to a download they sent me at the last minute , thought it was brilliantly made I really hope it catches the publics imagination

be interested to hear all your thoughts when you have listened to it all

NIMAN

I see this is now an article on the main BBC website:
9th most read story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50404378

HildaOgdenx

NIMAN wrote: »

I see this is now an article on the main BBC website:
9th most read story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50404378

Good article.
I hope that this will mean continued interest in Mary Boyle's story, and that something will come of it.
Poor little girl.

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

It was stated during the podcast (in episode 7 I think) that is was within Marys mothers rights not to have an inquest. Is this correct would anyone know.

Purple Mountain

Would someone please post a link to the podcast here when available?
Good on you oranbhoy for your persistence.

NIMAN

Here's the BBC podcast

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07vjkr5

Muahahaha

Some state of RTE when its left up to the BBC to cover this.

NIMAN

I did see a programme about this on RTE a couple of years ago, to be fair to them.

And it seems to be a case that will never be solved because, from what I am reading between the lines, family members know the killer but simply aren't turning them in.

Maybe I'm totally wrong?

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

NIMAN wrote:

And it seems to be a case that will never be solved because, from what I am reading between the lines, family members know the killer but simply aren't turning them in.

This exactly, if the people who know won't speak out no amount of podcasts or documentarys will move this on.
I'm of the mind that the best that can be achieved is a deathbed confession, and even that would seem unlikely in this case.
How can anyone live for 40 years with what happened on their conscience.

HildaOgdenx

Kelly Crashing Polygraph wrote: »

This exactly, if the people who know won't speak out no amount of podcasts or documentarys will move this on.
I'm of the mind that the best that can be achieved is a deathbed confession, and even that would seem unlikely in this case.
How can anyone live for 40 years with what happened on their conscience.

I was just thinking the very same thing.

debok

NIMAN wrote: »

I did see a programme about this on RTE a couple of years ago, to be fair to them.

And it seems to be a case that will never be solved because, from what I am reading between the lines, family members know the killer but simply aren't turning them in.

Maybe I'm totally wrong?

Did Gemma o Doherty not do doc on this before she went a bit wayward,?

chooseusername

debok wrote: »

Did Gemma o Doherty not do doc on this before she went a bit wayward,?

Yes, here and lots of other stuff back in this thread,
it's been going for the last 6 1/2 years.

Johnboy1951

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

podcast up to stream now, im just after listening to a download they sent me at the last minute , thought it was brilliantly made I really hope it catches the publics imagination

be interested to hear all your thoughts when you have listened to it all

It came across as a well treated subject and a good summary of what has gone on.

I continue to hold a different view to all those expressed in the podcast.

One thing I was left curious about ....... it is claimed by some that an 'unnamed' man is responsible, but there is no indication by what means that person had access to the child at the critical time.

That to me is a glaring omission; this causes that idea to be discounted immediately.

oranbhoy67

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It came across as a well treated subject and a good summary of what has gone on.

I continue to hold a different view to all those expressed in the podcast.

One thing I was left curious about ....... it is claimed by some that an 'unnamed' man is responsible, but there is no indication by what means that person had access to the child at the critical time.

That to me is a glaring omission; this causes that idea to be discounted immediately.

Thanks for your honest opinion

Can I ask what your view is ??

you need to think a little out of the box to figure out who we think took her & how he had access to Mary

Johnboy1951

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

Thanks for your honest opinion

Can I ask what your view is ??

you need to think a little out of the box to figure out who we think took her & how he had access to Mary

It was stated in the podcast, IIRC, that a limited number of people were known to be in the area at the time.
So one of those people, with the addition of the driver of the red VW Beetle, is the likely one.

Did the man you 'accused' drive a red VW Beetle at the time of the incident?

tayto lover

NIMAN wrote: »

I did see a programme about this on RTE a couple of years ago, to be fair to them.

And it seems to be a case that will never be solved because, from what I am reading between the lines, family members know the killer but simply aren't turning them in.

Maybe I'm totally wrong?

I’ve stated this before but if I was a family member and felt I knew the truth then I’d say it out regardless. I cannot understand the reluctance to do so because it would bring the matter to a head and force someone’s hand into either denying it or explaining their side.
If it was my relative I’d certainly say what I knew regardless of the consequences. It’s over 40 years ago and people are still afraid to say what they know. That’s a disgrace to the wee missing child imo,

oranbhoy67

tayto lover wrote: »

I’ve stated this before but if I was a family member and felt I knew the truth then I’d say it out regardless. I cannot understand the reluctance to do so because it would bring the matter to a head and force someone’s hand into either denying it or explaining their side.
If it was my relative I’d certainly say what I knew regardless of the consequences. It’s over 40 years ago and people are still afraid to say what they know. That’s a disgrace to the wee missing child imo,

I have said it to the guards many a times, as has Marys twin & Margo , our legal advice was not to say it in public which Gemma O doherty has done anyways and what has it acheived ? nothing

I would say it in a heartbeat, its Marys Twins Ann`s wish not too, I have to respect that

oranbhoy67

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

, its Marys Twins Ann`s wish not too, I have to respect that

What's her reasoning for this though?

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

Johnboy1951 wrote:

It was stated in the podcast, IIRC, that a limited number of people were known to be in the area at the time. So one of those people, with the addition of the driver of the red VW Beetle, is the likely one.

The VW Beetle is a red heron

tayto lover

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

I have said it to the guards many a times, as has Marys twin & Margo , our legal advice was not to say it in public which Gemma O doherty has done anyways and what has it acheived ? nothing

I would say it in a heartbeat, its Marys Twins Ann`s wish not too, I have to respect that

But has anyone actually said it to the alleged perpetrator and has it been said in front of others? Was he forced to deny or threaten legal action?

oranbhoy67

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It was stated in the podcast, IIRC, that a limited number of people were known to be in the area at the time.
So one of those people, with the addition of the driver of the red VW Beetle, is the likely one.

Did the man you 'accused' drive a red VW Beetle at the time of the incident?

only that one man said he was red VW bettle and only remembered/reported it 15 years after the fact , everyone else working in the area that day including that man initally said they saw 3 cars that day all of which were traced one of which belongs to the person we suspect

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

tayto lover wrote:

But has anyone actually said it to the alleged perpetrator and has it been said in front of others? Was he forced to deny or threaten legal action?

Did you listen to the podcast ?