London - Suspected Terrorist Incident

BobbyPropane

Disgusting attack. Britain needs to improve its immigration laws with more background checks etc

It seems like a really odd terrorist attack. Usually they're bombings or really organized massacres (like the attack in Mumbai a few years ago, I think?). So something like this .. just sounds like a lunatic more than a terrorist organization.

Gatling

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Enjoy? You get enjoyment from the death of someone that you don't know?

No I'll take enjoyment to what ever happens to the persons who attackes and murdered a soldier

DrumSteve

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems like a really odd terrorist attack. Usually they're bombings or really organized massacres (like the attack in Mumbai a few years ago, I think?). So something like this .. just sounds like a lunatic more than a terrorist organization.

Sounds more like an opportunistic murder than a terrorist attack to me.

Nodin

Nino Brown wrote: »

I thought so. What?

The sarcasm. The context of that posters attitude towards what they term 'multiculturalism'.

Nino Brown

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Disgusting attack. Britain needs to improve its immigration laws with more background checks etc

That won't help much if they are British

Seachmall

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Disgusting attack. Britain needs to improve its immigration laws with more background checks etc

What's there to suggest that these guys weren't British?

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

No I'll take enjoyment to what ever happens to the persons who attackes and murdered a soldier

.....court, probably convictions, sentencing and jail?

That's what I thought too boney. I have friends in the area and we all thought it was a gang attack.

But the goverment do not hold emergency COBRA meetings for gang attacks

IM0

Ford Juicy Smokehouse wrote: »

Fab logic there, given that everyone wears shoes and a minority of people would wear a T-shirt like that. It might have been totally random. Maybe they didn't like the way he walked. It's incredibly dim to totally dismiss the fact that he was wearing that T-shirt, in an area with lots of people who are against the activities of the British army (to say the least), as insignificant. There is at the very least some possibility that your man being a soldier/wearing that T-shirt had at least something to do with why he was targeted.

Ford Juicy Smokehouse wrote: »

Not saying it definitely had anything to do with it, but it's a possibility. Same as a black guy getting stabbed to death could be a racially motivated crime. And there are a LOT of areas in London I would not walk through in a Help for Heroes T-shirt.

if if and ands were pots and pans there would be no need for saucepans

pablomakaveli

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems like a really odd terrorist attack. Usually they're bombings or really organized massacres (like the attack in Mumbai a few years ago, I think?). So something like this .. just sounds like a lunatic more than a terrorist organization.

Im willing to wait before coming to an absolute conclusion on this but soldiers in the UK have been warned of a threat of being abducted or attacked by extremists as there have been abductions foiled before.

moneymad

A few witnesses said they thought they were on some sort of drug by the sounds of it. They went for the armed police with their machetes.

donvito99

To those saying that immigration is at fault, apart from Qatada, I think you'll find that Muslims who are intent on killing people are born and bred in Britain.

Thankfully Muslims in the UK are numerous and reasonably well integrated. They are British and Britons see them as Britons, for the most part. The same cannot be said for Americans.

Bullseye1

IF it is a terrorist attack its a pretty spectacular one. The media attention for a single killing is massive. Shocking stuff.

Condolences to the mans family. RIP.

mike65

I agree about COBRA being unusual but I'll assume the location was the reason for that, just in case the attack was the precursor to something else.

Specialun

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Disgusting attack. Britain needs to improve its immigration laws with more background checks etc

Maybe it was a traveller

Clandestine

Thats "Cultural enrichment" for you

jill_valentine

What's the difference between some nutters going bananas with a blade and a "terrorist attack"?

Was the Beltway Sniper considered a terrorist?

mike65

Nothing like a thread of this nature to bring out the racists, Ted.

Nino Brown

jill_valentine wrote: »

What's the difference between some nutters going bananas with a blade and a "terrorist attack"?

Was the Beltway Sniper considered a terrorist?

When they shout Allahu Akbar, and video tape a beheading, they're terrorists

KindOfIrish

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Disgusting attack. Britain needs to improve its immigration laws with more background checks etc

Britain needs to stop moaning about influx of white, christian, hardworking eastern-Europeans and EU generally and look closely to their beloved former colonial subjects, i think.

bizmark

In after :Religion of peace! It's likely a out of control fight for a mister whippys cone! Yay multiculturalism is great! Was all the brit governments fault anyway. typical boards head in the sand nonsense.

This is what happens when you import the enemy of your people for no good reason there should never be areas of your own capital you don't feel safe in while supporting your own troops if their is your doing it wrong.

KindOfIrish

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Britain needs to stop moaning about influx of white, christian, hardworking eastern-Europeans and EU generally and look closely to their beloved former colonial subjects, i think.

True, but it's a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, at this stage.

Nodin

bizmark wrote: »

In after :Religion of peace! It's likely a out of control fight for a mister whippys cone! Yay multiculturalism is great! Was all the brit governments fault anyway. typical boards head in the sand nonsense.

This is what happens when you import the enemy of your people for no good reason there should never be areas of your own capital you don't feel safe in while supporting your own troops if their is your doing it wrong.

Who is the "enemy of your people", as a matter of interest? The horsemeat in the beefburgers?

orestes

jill_valentine wrote: »

What's the difference between some nutters going bananas with a blade and a "terrorist attack"?

Was the Beltway Sniper considered a terrorist?

Well, one is an unexplainable tragedy committed by a crazy person and the other is an attack on our very way of life by cold, calculated, evil people who want us all dead and will stop at nothing to further their war on democracy.

I don't know what qualifies as one or the other, but the people on the tv seem to.

Now quit asking questions and start giving out about immigrants and muslims, there's a war on dammit!

IM0

the facts:

guy beheaded in london

2 guys and machetes involved

cops shot them

2 guys in hospital being treated now

and heres the kicker FROM THE COPS THEMSELVES IN A STATEMENT, THE SAME STATEMENT!

we do not have any more info, but more police are on the street.

_______________________________________________________

they were very careful not to jump to any conclusions or speculate, this is extremely dangerous until facts are established and verified and sourced

did that stop bbc and no doubt sky immediately after that statement making their own assumptions? no! it was nearly funny to hear what was undoutably going through their minds "stop giving the people facts! we cant sensationalise facts!! :mad: "

in situations like this media should have a gagging order put on them :mad:

bizmark

mike65 wrote: »

Nothing like a thread of this nature to bring out the racists, Ted.

Your so tolerant mike what a champ here's a cookie and a pat on the head good boy

The_Gatsby

To sum up what the eyewitness said...They were two black males. He didn't say if they were British or not. They ran over the guy wearing the Help for Heroes t-shirt. Everybody thought the two men were helping the poor guy but they were using butchers knives and meat cleavers to attack him further. The two men started waving a gun around and the eyewitness said it was almost as if they were waiting for the ARU to arrive. The attackers were walking around for about 10-20 minutes before the ARU arrived, asking people to take their pictures etc. The ARU arrived after 20 minutes after the eyewitness called the police. One of the attackers fired a shot at the ARU and they fired back. Eyewitness said he thinks there were about 6 shots fired. The two attackers are dead.

That's basically what happened, from listening to that link somebody posted up. Pretty gruesome stuff, no person should have to suffer an attack like that. The poor people that witnessed it as well, what an awful thing to see.

Seachmall

Nino Brown wrote: »

When they shout Allahu Akbar, and video tape a beheading, they're terrorists

It means they're Islamic videographers with poor people skills.

It doesn't necessarily mean they're terrorists.

1210m5g

1210m5g wrote: »

My mate was working as camp guard commander in the base in Woowlich today, he is currently waiting to find out if its one of his friends that has been killed.

Any word?

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems like a really odd terrorist attack. Usually they're bombings or really organized massacres (like the attack in Mumbai a few years ago, I think?). So something like this .. just sounds like a lunatic more than a terrorist organization.

Not really odd at all,decapitation,for some reason appears to have some ghoulish significance for militant Islam.

Sadly,recent years have provided all too many incidents of this religious inspired barbarism.

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/appointment-with-death-the-beheading-of-daniel-pearl/

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/049561.php

http://www.meforum.org/713/beheading-in-the-name-of-islam

Lunatic,for sure,but make no mistake if the guy's involved in the Woolwich murder,portray themselves as acting in the name of Allah,there will be no shortage of people willing to praise their actions as well as call for more.

An awful death for the young man concerned..RIP.

I love how people have said that it just goes to show how bad multiculturalism is, when I haven't read any reports to say that they weren't actually British.

Rascasse

ITV News have a picture of one of the suspects on their home page. Warning- he's holding a bloody meat cleaver. http://www.itv.com/news/

Edit: And they have him on camera saying ""We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you,".

Nodin

bizmark wrote: »

Your so tolerant mike what a champ here's a cookie and a pat on the head good boy

Sorry to interrupt you and your new friend, but would you care to tell us who is the "enemy of your people?

bizmark

Nodin wrote: »

Who is the "enemy of your people", as a matter of interest? The horsemeat in the beefburgers?

Only if it isn't halal nodin

laoch na mona

how does this qualify as terrorism its murder plain and simple

Cossax

jill_valentine wrote: »

What's the difference between some nutters going bananas with a blade and a "terrorist attack"?

Was the Beltway Sniper considered a terrorist?

Motivation, primarily.

Don't know a huge amount about the Beltway Sniper but if there was an agenda other than killing people, then they'd be a domestic terrorist a la Timothy McVeigh who had a beef with the Feds.

mike65

bizmark wrote: »

Your so tolerant mike what a champ here's a cookie and a pat on the head good boy

An Irish man from Donegal was arrested at the weekend regarding the Hyde Park bombing in 1982,

This is what happens when you import the enemy of your people for no good reason

presumably you'd apply the same logic to the Irish as dem "enemies of the people"

Scruffles

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems like a really odd terrorist attack. Usually they're bombings or really organized massacres (like the attack in Mumbai a few years ago, I think?). So something like this .. just sounds like a lunatic more than a terrorist organization.

not really,odd and unusual for the UK maybe but al quaedas classic tool of choice for waging war upon the infidel is a machete across the carotid artery [with all the sharpness of a blunt butter knife],am going to make a guess at those two loonybuffoons being supporters of al quaeda,they dont seem like proper extremists,more concerned with notoriety and fame asking people on the street to get their photograph when woud think a real extremist woud want to be harming as many of those random people as possible to get their terror hit number up.

The Backwards Man

Boards should sell pitchforks and torches with their logo on them, would make a fortune.

Jonny7

Two guys in a blue vauxhall run over a man who is claimed to be a soldier

Then then blugeon and behead the man

Eye-witnesses report they were chanting "Allah Akbar", inviting people to take photos and film the event

Police arrived, the suspects allegedly engaged the police, suspects were shot, taken to two separate hospitals

I've just seen an interview with one of the apparent suspects holding the knives on one of the UK channels directly after the incident, but they cut the sound

Definitely looks like they were murdering this man to make some sort of statement - not get away with it

Nodin

bizmark wrote: »

Only if it isn't halal nodin

O its muslims, is it?

• 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the
general public.


• 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the
wider population do.


• 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of
Christians.


• 82% of Muslims want to live in diverse and mixed neighbourhoods compared to
63% of non-Muslim Britons.


• 90% of Pakistanis feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain compared to 84%
of white people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/jul/03/muslims-integrated-britain

You're sure now?

discus

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-man-with-bloodied-hands-at-woolwich-scene/

Picture of the killer here.

Gatling

Nodin wrote: »

.....court, probably convictions, sentencing and jail?

Deportations multiple appeals and so on and so on you know how anti racist screaming human rights groups

Meritocracy Wins

Nodin, why do you engage with these types? You can't get any joy from it surely?

orestes

laoch na mona wrote: »

how does this qualify as terrorism its murder plain and simple

Cos the guy on the telly said it is, what more evidence do we need?!

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

An Irish man from Donegal was arrested at the weekend regarding the Hyde Park bombing in 1982,



presumably you'd apply the same logic to the Irish as dem "enemies of the people"

Yes, of course. How is someone who hates everything about your culture and country to the point that they're willing to kill people for their cause not an 'enemy of your people'?

Ghost Train

Rascasse wrote: »

ITV News have a picture of one of the suspects on their home page. Warning- he's holding a bloody meat cleaver. http://www.itv.com/news/

Edit: And they have him on camera saying ""We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you,".

They just showed video of the guy talking to passer by, kind of surreal him chatting away with weapon in hand after doing it

Nodin

Meritocracy Wins wrote: »

Nodin, why do you engage with these types? You can't get any joy from it surely?

I'm an evil and perverse creature. On the side of good, obviously.

Jonny7

It was ITV who aired the interview with one of the suspects directly after the killing - there didn't seem to be any sound when I saw it

Anyone catch what was said?