Pope proclaims all redeemed, even atheists.

Turtwig

Popular Hardback wrote: »

C'mon, you know you'll like it.

. . .

PopePalpatine

Sarky wrote: »

Thanks but I'll just wait for another of Actor's re-reg accounts to slip up and obsess over sodomy far too much for any straight man over here.

I bet you one monkey towards your project that his latest re-reg is Festus.

Kiwi in IE

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

That's exactly what they claimed when I was growing up, and why we all had to be preached to and saved. Also if you heard the word of god and rejected it you go to hell. That still seems to be the case.

Ah thank goodness for that! I was a bit worried after reading the OP. I'd rather go to hell than be stuck listening to Christian nonsense for all eternity! It's bad enough having to hear about it in this life.

ShooterSF

So the pope thinks we're swell. Shame he doesn't seem to take issue with his boss' intent to expose us to an eternity of torture so.

Obliq

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I bet you one monkey towards your project that his latest re-reg is Festus.

Don't know. Festus seems to be more uptight about abstinence. Time will tell!

Hotblack Desiato

seamus wrote: »

Since evangelicalism is a core tenat of Christianity is stands to reason then that the christian God's intention is to maximise the about of people he sends to hell by maximising the amount of people who may possibly reject christian doctrine.

Pretty sure that was the intention behind an Islamic spam email I got a few years ago. Very well written, with a brief introduction to the basics of the faith, then the kicker at the end that once you knew of Allah and didn't follow him, you were doomed :rolleyes:

Brian Shanahan

endacl wrote: »

Ye're good for Valhalla too lads and ladies. Just be sure to die in battle.

Do Divisional Junior B hurling league matches count as "in battle", because I'll have no problem getting into Valhalla if they do.

TheChizler

ninja900 wrote: »

Pretty sure that was the intention behind an Islamic spam email I got a few years ago. Very well written, with a brief introduction to the basics of the faith, then the kicker at the end that once you knew of Allah and didn't follow him, you were doomed :rolleyes:

You are now breathing and blinking manually... That has a real effect at least!

robindch

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

We are still going to hell

...as a Vatican spokesman pointed out last Friday:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/23/heaven-for-atheists-pope-sparks-debate/

Mr Rosica wrote:

The Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who aware of the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

Turtwig

robindch wrote: »

...as a Vatican spokesman pointed out last Friday:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/23/heaven-for-atheists-pope-sparks-debate/

The Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who aware of the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

So that's where their early withdrawal idea comes from.

kylith

I thought the pope was infallible in stuff like this, so if he says we're redeemed then we're redeemed and Rosica can go whistle.

Tar.Aldarion

I believe the pop is not infallible ...any more

Bannasidhe

kylith wrote: »

I thought the pope was infallible in stuff like this, so if he says we're redeemed then we're redeemed and Rosica can go whistle.

Are we redeemed or are we redeemable?

Is there coupon clipping involved? If so they can feck off as life is too short for that crap. Actually, they can just feck off regardless of the coupon situation.

Pherekydes

The wife gave me the same ultimatum.

Pherekydes

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I believe the pop is not infallible ...any more

ABBA were good, but this present day sh1te is awful.

Bannasidhe

Pherekydes wrote: »

ABBA were good, but this present day sh1te is awful.

Read there last week that Agnetha reckons ABBA weren't all that.

smellslikeshoes

kylith wrote: »

I thought the pope was infallible in stuff like this, so if he says we're redeemed then we're redeemed and Rosica can go whistle.

It's semantics though, redeemed isn't the same as saved according to them so Papal infallibility doesn't really come into it. Jesus died for our sins so we are redeemed but to be saved we have to have faith and all the rest of the bollocks.

kylith

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

It's semantics though, redeemed isn't the same as saved according to them so Papal infallibility doesn't really come into it. Jesus died for our sins so we are redeemed but to be saved we have to have faith and all the rest of the bollocks.

Ah, I was confused by the religious double-speak. Thanks.

robindch

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

[...] Papal infallibility doesn't really come into it. Jesus died for our sins so we are redeemed but to be saved we have to have faith and all the rest of the bollocks.

The second bit is correct, but the first bit is wrong -- the pope can define whatever religious and moral dogma he likes and people who want to call themselves "catholic", in the sense defined by the Vatican, are required to believe it. Technically, he could replumb the entire original-sin/redemption/salvation state-machine, but that's unlikely.

And just on that, it would certainly be interesting to find out how many catholics could differentiate between "redemption" and "salvation". I'll put my finger in the air and say that, at most, maybe 10% can.

Brian Shanahan

Popular Hardback wrote: »

Add yes, and very rarely. Not remove, delete or change.

So basically there is no provision for catholicism to remove the bits that contradict the other bits then?

Kind of short-sighted that.

kylith wrote: »

Ah, but you know, imperfect knowledge of food safety and that. It was a different time, we're not bound by those old rules. Apart from the one about the gays, obviously, that's totally relevant.

And the one about killing infidels and unbelievers. They're not really people don't you know, so it's not actually murder.

Sarky

robindch wrote: »

And just on that, it would certainly be interesting to find out how many catholics could differentiate between "redemption" and "salvation". I'll put my finger in the air and say that, at most, maybe 10% can.

50% of which are Actor sock-puppets :pac:

Popular Hardback

You have to laugh about the irony of a club of non stamp collectors being obsessed with stamp collecting while enforcing blanket dismissals of the the opinion of knowledge of any eminent stamp collectors. Atheism + at it's finest.

Delirium

Popular Hardback wrote: »

You have to laugh about the irony of a club of non stamp collectors being obsessed with stamp collecting while enforcing blanket dismissals of the the opinion of knowledge of any eminent stamp collectors. Atheism + at it's finest.

Brian Shanahan

Popular Hardback wrote: »

You have to laugh about the irony of a club of non stamp collectors being obsessed with stamp collecting while enforcing blanket dismissals of the the opinion of knowledge of any eminent stamp collectors. Atheism + at it's finest.

You have to laugh when people who are thick enough to believe their imaginary friends are real get uptight enough about those clever enough to shed those misconceptions to try their, very weak, attempts at sarcasm.

I've personally no problem with religious believers, its just when, like in your post I quoted, they get all superior and condescending at us that I get annoyed.

Bannasidhe

Popular Hardback wrote: »

You have to laugh about the irony of a club of non stamp collectors being obsessed with stamp collecting while enforcing blanket dismissals of the the opinion of knowledge of any eminent stamp collectors. Atheism + at it's finest.

I think you'll find most of us were inducted into the Philately Fraternity at a young age but apparently unlike most stamp collectors we read the accompanying literature and worked out that collecting stamps and sticking them in books is not the actual purpose of stamps yet Philately HQ (Rome Branch) insists on telling our government to outlaw any means of communication which doesn't involve sticking a stamp in a book - which by the way as a method of communication is pants.

Turtwig

Popular Hardback wrote: »

You have to laugh about the irony of a club of non stamp collectors being obsessed with stamp collecting while enforcing blanket dismissals of the the opinion of knowledge of any eminent stamp collectors. Atheism + at it's finest.

So what exactly has been dismissed in error?
It's only ironic if there's an error being made.

Popular Hardback

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

You have to laugh when people who are thick enough to believe their imaginary friends are real get uptight enough about those clever enough to shed those misconceptions to try their, very weak, attempts at sarcasm.

I've personally no problem with religious believers, its just when, like in your post I quoted, they get all superior and condescending at us that I get annoyed.

Calm down, no need to get all sarcastic, superior and condescending. More irony.

Bannasidhe

Popular Hardback wrote: »

irony.

I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Turtwig

Popular Hardback wrote: »

Calm down, no need to get all sarcastic, superior and condescending. More irony.

Edit : Curses you Ban!

Popular Hardback

Jernal wrote: »

So what exactly has been dismissed in error?
It's only ironic if there's an error being made.

Ask a non stamp collector, they're the only certified experts on stamp collecting here.

Joe prim

Popular Hardback wrote: »

Incorrect. Limbo is not, and never was Catholic doctrine. It was, and still is, mere speculation among theologians. Nothing more, nothing less. Benedict merely restated this position, again selective reporting put a different spin on it, as they do with everything a Pope says.

Isn't all "theology" mere speculation among theologians, at the end of the day, like?

Turtwig

Popular Hardback wrote: »

Ask a non stamp collector, they're the only certified experts on stamp collecting here.

I'm asking you though.
What was erroneous in their dismissals?

This is a discussion forum either quit the vacuous one liner replies or your time on this forum will be a short one.

Popular Hardback

Jernal wrote: »

I'm asking you though.
What was erroneous in their dismissals?

This is a discussion forum either quit the vacuous one liner replies or your time on this forum will be a short one.

Issue the order "discuss", and then wave a stick about, lol, nah.

I'll leave you all to agree with one another in the bizarre existence of non stamp collecting as a hobby and atheism +.

Sarky

Banned already? Blimey, I must have been on to something there.

So, that new pope, eh? Some pretty daft stuff he's proclaiming, I'd say...

Turtwig

Sarky wrote: »

Banned already? Blimey, I must have been on to something there.

I thought last time you complained about not being allowed to keep him. You even promised to feed him and bring him for walks.
Maybe next time. . .
I'm confused.

Bannasidhe

Panic over - we are all still going to hell.

The Vatican has just announced that, despite what Pope Francis said in his homily earlier this week, atheists are still going to hell.

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ent/manhattan_diary/vatican-corrects-infallible-pope-atheists-will-still-burn-in-hell-208987111.html#ixzz2UWEq0efy
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Delirium

yay!!!!!

swampgas

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Panic over - we are all still going to hell.
Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ent/manhattan_diary/vatican-corrects-infallible-pope-atheists-will-still-burn-in-hell-208987111.html#ixzz2UWEq0efy

My favourite line in the irishcentral story:

If I was Pope Francis, I'd be employing a food tester right about now.

I've always reckoned that JP I was inhumed. I wonder will Pope Francis be brave enough to start poking around in the Vatican Bank?

Sarky

Jernal wrote: »

I thought last time you complained about not being allowed to keep him. You even promised to feed him and bring him for walks.
Maybe next time. . .
I'm confused.

Wait... Quaddie? NO WAI!

Hotblack Desiato

Popular Hardback wrote: »

Add yes, and very rarely. Not remove, delete or change.

so basicallly chattr +a /etc/dogma/current , got it

MrPudding

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I bet you one monkey towards your project that his latest re-reg is Festus.

Nah, no way. I think festus pre-dates actor. Some of the stuff he says is borderline nasty and he most certainly not someone I would be interested in spending time with, but I don't think he is our bum sex crazed friend.

MrP

Soul Winner

The Pope is wrong. Nobody, including Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews etc are saved by their so called 'good deeds', only trusting in God's Word of promise is going to save anyone. That's not to say that people who do good deeds are going to hell, they're not if they are really doing 'good' deeds, because the only way anyone can do bona fide 'good deeds' is by having the the Spirit of the 'Good One' (God) in them and the only way that they can get His Spirit is by trusting (having faith) in Him, thus having the life force in them which produces the good deeds in the first place. They are something that comes from within not something that is painted on from the outside. God is always looking at the heart. Good deeds are the inevitable out growth of God's indwelling Spirit by faith. Too much time and emphasis is spent on having the fruits of the Spirit manifested in people's lives without making sure that they have the life force that produces the fruit in them first. Daily faith and daily faith alone does that and this is what is not being preached in 99% of pulpits today. The Pope is wrong and so is anyone else who preach that 'good deeds will save you' message. They won't, its a message from hell and not supported by Scripture.

Hotblack Desiato

Soul Winner wrote: »

The Pope is wrong. Nobody, including Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews etc are saved

You got this part right

Birroc

I know for a fact that hell does not exist.

Soul Winner

ninja900 wrote: »

You got this part right

Can you qualify that statement please?

Soul Winner

Birroc wrote: »

I know for a fact that hell does not exist.

How?

Hotblack Desiato

Soul Winner wrote: »

Can you qualify that statement please?

There is no god, there is no 'salvation', only birth life and death, deal with reality instead of wasting your life investing in false hopes.

Soul Winner

ninja900 wrote: »

There is no god, there is no 'salvation', only birth life and death, deal with reality instead of wasting your life investing in false hopes.

Meaning because you said so? OK thanks for the advice.

Hotblack Desiato

Soul Winner wrote: »

Meaning because you said so? OK thanks for the advice.

Well 'you said so' a few posts above all sorts of stuff about hell and salvation and god. Did you provide any evidence of the existence of any of these?

Nobody has ever observed a unicorn at the end of my garden, I cannot definitively say that a unicorn at the end of my garden cannot exist, but I don't believe there is a unicorn at the end of my garden and I don't believe that the unicorn worshippers have anything useful to tell me about life.

Or - putting this another way - do you believe in Santa Claus? and if not, why not?

Soul Winner

ninja900 wrote: »

Well 'you said so' a few posts above all sorts of stuff about hell and salvation and god. Did you provide any evidence of the existence of any of these?

Nobody has ever observed a unicorn at the end of my garden, I cannot definitively say that a unicorn at the end of my garden cannot exist, but I don't believe there is a unicorn at the end of my garden and I don't believe that the unicorn worshippers have anything useful to tell me about life.

Or - putting this another way - do you believe in Santa Claus? and if not, why not?

Eh, I thanked you for your advice, now relax, calm down, breeeeeathe..