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Maybe I didn't understand it completely but why exactly would a US agent be taking part in this mission? What could they gain from it? Why not just shoot the other guys (they gladly walk ahead after giving you a loaded machine gun)?
It's revealed after that the entire thing was set up by the terrorist group to leave an American at the scene to start a war but what did the Americans think the Russian terrorists were going to gain from it? The fact that the protagonist is told "no Russian" is kind of a red flag.
Why didn't they tell the Russian government about it in advance?
Doesn't the fact that the only American agent on the scene was shot as well indicate that it wasn't sponsored by the Americans?
How would a bunch of guys with automatic rifles just waltz into an Airport like that and take down the substantial airport security by just casually strolling through?
While I didn't think that scene was good it was brave. I could see what they were going for but think the execution was lousy and it ultimately didn't work.
As for your points about it being unrealistic, I've been watching Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States and from other history sources something like that would be tame compared to many CIA operations
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ancapailldorcha wrote: »I'm not denying that Modern Warfare 2 has plot holes but it can't be the worst example of storytelling you've seen in a game. It at least tries to tell a story compared to God of War II/III where you just play as an angry man shouting revenge over and over or Resident Evil.
I'll admit the only Resident Evil I've played was 4 which had a passable story. It got the atmosphere right imo and did have some interesting characters, although I've been told the story is excessively ridiculous in the rest of the series.
God of War had a pretty crappy story and Kratos wasn't interesting in any way beyond looking cool but it was supposed to be like an ancient Greek story (which, based on the ones I know, are generally pretty rubbish by today's literary standards). What God of War did have were though was a great universe (which I personally consider to be a huge part of the story in a video game). The locations and enemies were good enough that I would still put it ahead of COD.Retr0gamer wrote: »While I didn't think that scene was good it was brave. I could see what they were going for but think the execution was lousy and it ultimately didn't work.
As for your points about it being unrealistic, I've been watching Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States and from other history sources something like that would be tame compared to many CIA operations
Haven't seen the documentary but I have, in passing, heard of a few of the CIAs shadier deals. I will even admit that I could totally have bought into the CIA doing something this bad, especially in a work of fiction. However, in all cases I know of there was a clear motivation for the CIA to do whatever they did and that was just absent from COD.
Just for the record, I could absolutely see a scene like this being done well and me loving it if the context was right and it worked well to make a point or to fit in with the story. My problem is that it seemed like a very conscious attempt to be brave (or be perceived as brave) rather than wanting to tackle something taboo in a controversial but mature manner and going ahead with it. I think "putting the cart before the horse" is the phrase that describes how I see it 0 -
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I think "putting the cart before the horse" is the phrase that describes how I see it
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I'd agree with you if they hadn't provided the cop outof letting you abstain from the shooting. In a game as controlling as CoD that's a striking concession and one that completely undermines the point of the mission. If you want to present an edgy and controversial topic like that then it's just cowardice to allow the player to not engage with it
It ended up reducing No Russian to a set-piece rather than a 'powerful' work of storytelling
It is one of the only times I can ever remember where a game made me feel like a cold-blooded murderer. That says a lot considering you take on the role of a serial killer in 95% of games. I'd call that powerful.Just for the record, I could absolutely see a scene like this being done well and me loving it if the context was right and it worked well to make a point or to fit in with the story. My problem is that it seemed like a very conscious attempt to be brave (or be perceived as brave) rather than wanting to tackle something taboo in a controversial but mature manner and going ahead with it. I think "putting the cart before the horse" is the phrase that describes how I see it
You basically described how I feel about story telling in almost all games. It is very difficult to get the context right when you have to fit a fun game in there too.0 -
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Retr0gamer wrote: »
But I love the Godfather...:(ancapailldorcha wrote: »I'm specifically talking about the story itself, though the world is important.
The original God of War had a decent story and was quite original. Greek Mythology is nearly always awesome, it's just the angry shout man with swords murdering everyone thing got really old for me really quickly.
Resi 4 I think was a bit of a mick-take on MGS in some ways. The atmosphere for me died after the lake. That's fine, because it had some nice set pieces and good sequences and is by no means a bad game. The characters could have been interesting if they were fleshed out but they didn't need to be. Resi 4 is an awesome shooter, no more. And that's perfectly fine with me. Stories only work in games if the developer can pull them off, otherwise you get a game loaded with crap (I'm looking at you, MGS4).
Well I was 15 when I played Resi 4 so maybe I would view it differently now. I kind of felt like God of War was supposed to be a trilogy. It just didn't seem wrapped up fully at the end of 1, whereas it was by the end of 3 and for this reason I will probably never bother with Ascension. I still agree about the shouty man with the swords though, and the contrived reasons for making Kratos lose all his powers at the start of each game didn't help.0 -
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ancapailldorcha wrote: »The PSP semi-remake of Final Fantasy Tactics had a decent script, even if I had no idea what was going on. Final Fantasy XII's script wasn't too bad, until everything fell apart at least.
Funnily enough both were Matsuno games, he's a fantastic storyteller but those two were his worst, FFXII mostly due to development issues. I'm not sure about FFT on PSP, I played the original game on PS1 which has a legednarily bad translation. FFXII was good but you can tell which point Matsuno had left and the game had to be wrapped up quick.
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ancapailldorcha wrote: »That's true but I think you can agree the story telling of both titles is far superior to the Final Fantasy standard.
The guy created Tactics Ogre, a game dealing with ethnic cleansing written back in 1995 and based on the Balkan War. Matsuno certainly isn't the usual FF scenario writing hack
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