Soccer draft legends discussion thread

whatawaster

IncognitoMan wrote: »

I'm not having a go at the pick. Just find it strange that Cristiano was picked out as a bad pick before Maradona and not him.

I rate Ronaldo higher than Ronaldo that's all

Red Crow

Ronaldo is possibly the greatest player ever. Cristiano Ronaldo is probably amongst the greatest players ever. There is a difference, although not much of one.

Brazilian Ronaldo would be my first pick. There will never be another player like him. Ronaldo, Messi and Maradona are my top three.

Jax Teller

Em Camacho is taken already .

IncognitoMan

Well I think C. Ronaldo is in the top tier and holds his own against the greatest. Messi would have been my 1st choice but after that I'm quite happy to take Cristiano.

Just down to my keeper pick now.

IncognitoMan

Sorry I'll go again

IncognitoMan

Fixed.

Heres how Im shaping up so

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G.K.

I got a Best Goalkeeper award at the age of 8 when I still played club football but you don't want me in goal in your team now, especially if that's the peak of my powers. ;P

IncognitoMan

Scirea and Nesta will look after you dont worry

Knex*

Theres my left back gone.

Trippie

C. Ronaldo and proper Ronaldo are not in the class maradona is in. He is and always will be the greatest of all time. Compare him to his peers at the time and while messi may be tearing up records at the moment I would say others are a while lost closer to him than what people were to maradona.

Ronaldo is by far a better athlete as are all the modern players by if we use basketball as a barometer no matter how many mvps Lebron wins he will never be regarded in the same league as Jordan

IncognitoMan

What happens for the last round, are we doing a random draw again?

Bounty Hunter

IncognitoMan wrote: »

What happens for the last round, are we doing a random draw again?

yep (I guess one round had to not have a rehearsal atleast its the last one and not an early one though) and here it is:

There were 16 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

Morzadec
Copper_pipe
Jax Teller
Bucketybuck
Eli Manning
Bounty Hunter
IncognitoMan
redzerdrog
G.K
eugeneious
ITT-Pat
Blatter
Knex.
whatawaster
Trippie
Moneymaker

Timestamp: 2013-06-08 11:48:59 UTC

carlop

Trippie wrote: »

C. Ronaldo and proper Ronaldo are not in the class maradona is in. He is and always will be the greatest of all time. Compare him to his peers at the time and while messi may be tearing up records at the moment I would say others are a while lost closer to him than what people were to maradona.

Ronaldo is by far a better athlete as are all the modern players by if we use basketball as a barometer no matter how many mvps Lebron wins he will never be regarded in the same league as Jordan

I watched a Maradona documentary yesterday and it really reinforced my belief that he was at a different level. He won the toughest league in the world twice with Napoli FFS, not to mention effectively winning a world cup singlehandedly.

Thecon21

Maradona was definitely brilliant but come on, Messi is the greatest player ever to exist and still young.

Donnielighto

Trippie wrote: »

C. Ronaldo and proper Ronaldo are not in the class maradona is in. He is and always will be the greatest of all time. Compare him to his peers at the time and while messi may be tearing up records at the moment I would say others are a while lost closer to him than what people were to maradona.

Ronaldo is by far a better athlete as are all the modern players by if we use basketball as a barometer no matter how many mvps Lebron wins he will never be regarded in the same league as Jordan

Saying this weakens your stance though, you are admitting that no matter how good a player s you refuse to countenance the fact that they may be better, therefore it kinda invalidates any blanket statements about how good a player is.

FWIW I rate CR7, Marradona, Messi, Garrincha, Cryuff, Pele, Ronaldo as the top, in order. The Garrincha and pele is coloured by the reduced coverage ive seen but thats the rub. Cristiano and Maradonna are top due to physical strength matching their skills, pair of powerhouses but ronaldo is such a complete athlete that also is a set piece threats, small margins though.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Donnielighto wrote: »

Saying this weakens your stance though, you are admitting that no matter how good a player s you refuse to countenance the fact that they may be better, therefore it kinda invalidates any blanket statements about how good a player is.

FWIW I rate CR7, Marradona, Messi, Garrincha, Cryuff, Pele, Ronaldo as the top, in order. The Garrincha and pele is coloured by the reduced coverage ive seen but thats the rub. Cristiano and Maradonna are top due to physical strength matching their skills, pair of powerhouses but ronaldo is such a complete athlete that also is a set piece threats, small margins though.

Sorry, but that's surely a joke? The Ballon D'Or count if nothing else disproves that.

Donnielighto

THFC wrote: »

Sorry, but that's surely a joke? The Ballon D'Or count if nothing else disproves that.

Hardly, messi is better at what he does but ronaldo would imo fit in as effectively in any team/system, messi, like barca is amazing at what he does but i think he suffers from the same lack of flexibility. anyway at the top level it's a case of who you are including in the top tier really. (and i thought i'd get more abuse for the rest of the order too.)

Knex*

Can someone pm the next guy for me please.

Donnielighto

Can't wait for the voting.

Think edwards is a big gamble but was wondering myself would anybody chance it. Supposedly immense mentally, skillfully and physically for a player that young, never really reached what his prime should have been though. :(

Donnielighto

Knex. wrote: »

Can someone pm the next guy for me please.

pm'd trippie, he's the right one ya?

Jax Teller

Had hoped to get Evra myself .

PerrinV2

Can anyone vote or is it just open to draft members?

Bounty Hunter

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Can anyone vote or is it just open to draft members?

anyone can vote that was one thing we decided before we started drafting

Quazzie

So Evra is one of the top 16 left backs of all time. Oh dear!

Moneymaker

Quazzie wrote: »

So Evra is one of the top 16 left backs of all time. Oh dear!

Multiple league titles, champions league title(played in 4 finals) and been first choice left back for one of the biggest clubs in the world for what, 6-7 years now?

Do you just post sensationalist garbage like that to try and get thanks? :rolleyes:

IncognitoMan

Quazzie wrote: »

So Evra is one of the top 16 left backs of all time. Oh dear!

Go on so name 16 better. It's not as easy as you think doing this

Iused2likebusts

Moneymaker wrote: »

Multiple league titles, champions league title(played in 4 finals) and been first choice left back for one of the biggest clubs in the world for what, 6-7 years now?

Do you just post sensationalist garbage like that to try and get thanks? :rolleyes:

Im sorry but there is no way evra is one of the 16 best left backs of all time. IMO Evra wouldnt even be one of the best 5 left backs in the premiership era. Thats discounting all the other leagues and football pre the 1990s.

Blatter

People seriously underrating Evra at his best here. Would definitely have expected him to be selected in this draft.

Mitch Connor

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Im sorry but there is no way evra is one of the 16 best left backs of all time. IMO Evra wouldnt even be one of the best 5 left backs in the premiership era. Thats discounting all the other leagues and football pre the 1990s.

Good Fooking lord. Ashley cole and who? Irwin? Who else?

Donnielighto

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Good Fooking lord. Ashley cole and who? Irwin? Who else?

Djimi Traore?

Jax Teller

I was going to pick a left back who has never won a thing in his career ,he's one of the best attacking full backs around and has been for the last few years , but I didn't want to have to respond to people asking is he one of the top 176 players of all time .

PerrinV2

I actually looked at a list of Top 100 left backs ever a few days..and Evra wasn't on it.
In fairness the list was from 2010 so he'd probably be on it now,personally I'd have a few ahead of him but thats omo

Quazzie

PerrinV2 wrote: »

I actually looked at a list of Top 100 left backs ever a few days..and Evra wasn't on it.
In fairness the list was from 2010 so he'd probably be on it now,personally I'd a few ahead of him but thats omo

Here's the list. He might not be behind all 100 but he certainly wouldn't make the top 16

Blatter

That list has Roberto Carlos 44 places ahead of Ashley Cole.

Sounds legit.

Knex*

Blatter wrote: »

That list has Roberto Carlos 44 places ahead of Ashley Cole.

Christ. That's outrageous.

PerrinV2

Is yer question that Cole should be higher than Carlos or that Cole's ranking is too low?

PhlegmyMoses

That list is a nonsense, tbf. How the **** can you put a man who was born in 1908 in the top 5? I mean, I could understand it, maybe, if it was a striker with 500 goals in 500 games or something - the stats would help your argument - but you surely wouldn't have enough footage of a left-back playing football in the 30s to make such a decision.

Knex*

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Is yer question that Cole should be higher than Carlos or that Cole's ranking is too low?

Cole is too low and Carlos is too high in my mind.

Wouldn't have too much of an argument if Cole was higher than Carlos, but there certainly shouldn't be that much of a gap in it.

Winston Payne

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Is yer question that Cole should be higher than Carlos or that Cole's ranking is too low?

Both.

Blatter

Carlos' defending wasn't good enough to be considered one of the best left backs ever. A great attacking wing back yes but he was way to unreliable from a defensive pov.

Donnielighto

3 irish and 3 nordies on that list, the island is well served

Iused2likebusts

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Good Fooking lord. Ashley cole and who? Irwin? Who else?

Stuart pearce leighton baines graeme le saux and touch and go between him and clichy. I understand its tough to do this but if u take a step back from it there is no way evra should br anywhere near the list. Cole and irwin defo and maybe pearce from the premiership era.

G.K.

I'm as big an Evra critic as anyone but in his pomp he was a level above those guys you named.

Iused2likebusts

Fair enough its personal opinion but stuart pearce was for years the best left back in the league.Baines in the utd team and evra in the everton team and people may be looking at things differently. Anyway my main point is evra should not be in the top 16 left backs of all time.

LuckyLloyd

Thecon21 wrote: »

Maradona was definitely brilliant but come on, Messi is the greatest player ever to exist and still young.

Maradona was superior imo. Dragged Napoli to titles and Argentina to two successive WC Finals. Messi's lack of International production is relevant imo.

LuckyLloyd

Pearce > Evra imo. Extraordinary player for a long time. Played the game properly too.

bucketybuck

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Stuart pearce leighton baines graeme le saux and touch and go between him and clichy. I understand its tough to do this but if u take a step back from it there is no way evra should br anywhere near the list. Cole and irwin defo and maybe pearce from the premiership era.

I think there is a reason some of us went for full backs relatively early, the real quality ones are thin on the ground, and you are then into the likes of Evra who many people will scoff at. Got to be honest though, Evra in his prime was a much, much better fullback than Baines or Le Saux, and Clichy shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion.

IncognitoMan

Ah I really thought Zoff was gonna slip through

Iused2likebusts

bucketybuck wrote: »

One final legend to round off my legends team. Dino Zoff.



My final Team:

Thats an excellent well thought out team. Players from lots of different eras and strong throughout. It would be hard to make an argument against any of your picks. While there is nothing wrong with picking players from the modern era its refreshing to see a team lacking a player from the last 6/7 years all these players have stood or will stand the test of time.

G.K.

Added the latest draft order to front page. Hope you don't mind.