Soccer draft legends discussion thread

LuckyLloyd

Copper_pipe wrote: »

I think Cesar and Cheillini are weaknesses relative to the level this draft is pitched at. You did draft some great players but a massive lack of balance to your side. God and Bobby Charlton in the middle gives you an avalanche of quality, but leave you murdered on the counter attack and generally starved of possession and control. I don't think it's going to work I'm afraid.

Also to those criticising your copy and paste from wikipedia - aren't you in the middle of your leaving right now?

Copper_pipe

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I think Cesar and Cheillini are weaknesses relative to the level this draft is pitched at. You did draft some great players but a massive lack of balance to your side. God and Bobby Charlton in the middle gives you an avalanche of quality, but leave you murdered on the counter attack and generally starved of possession and control. I don't think it's going to work I'm afraid.

Also to those criticising your copy and paste from wikipedia - aren't you in the middle of your leaving right now?

Ya I am, I'll be finished Tuesday

Amirani

Copper_pipe wrote: »

I forgot cantona

Probably a good thing you did. He had no place being picked in this draft.

LuckyLloyd

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Ya I am, I'll be finished Tuesday

No wonder you're in copy and paste mode - the Leaving Cert is the the biggest copy and paste exercise of them all (except you have to copy it in and paste it out of your brain!). Best of luck!

Jax Teller

I'm ready to go whenever, would be nice to see how ITT-Pat will lineup though . Would save time for when the game goes ahead.

Morzadec

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Was going to start the first group of knockout games today but before I do so

1) Anyone interested in doing a rule like the one Jax mentioned (you can take a player from any team you beat) ?

2)Anyone like their game to be in a certain batch of games, i.e those starting today and running for a few days or those running the few days afterwards? perhaps some already know which days they will have more time online

1) Personally I don't think we should do this as it should've been agreed on at the start, and also because the quality is already so high. The tiny weaknesses that teams might have should remain, otherwise it becomes boring

SlickRic

anyone got a full grid of all the picks?

Bounty Hunter

Morzadec wrote: »

1) Personally I don't think we should do this as it should've been agreed on at the start, and also because the quality is already so high. The tiny weaknesses that teams might have should remain, otherwise it becomes boring

I'd kinda agree with that especially the first part. Thanks for replying about this, people dont always reply to most things like this.

Ill start a few matches tonight and given the time difference it should still be late afternoon / early evening there when I do so. btw If im ever not around anyone else can feel free to do such things although obviously you will need a mods help later if you dont want to add the polls immediately. I should be fine to do all such things but if im ever not around for whatever reason you guys dont need to wait for me

Knex*

I won't be at a keyboard till this evening but I'm good with starting today. Agree with not doing the pink slip, take one player thing.

Also, if grid isn't up by time I'm home I'll throw one up.

Benimar

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Your team would be stronger if you dumped Busquets for an undrafted like Liam Brady imo (actually how was Brady not drafted? ).

Agreed, thats a fairly serious omission. He would strengthen a lot of the teams posted.

It is hard to keep track of who is picked when you're not involved but when you mentioned that Brady wasn't selected it surprised me.

bucketybuck

Put me down as somebody who would not want to take a player from a defeated team.

Jax Teller

I wasn't really suggesting it to be part of the draft . I was just mentioning it when someone said something about trading .
Certain teams would become too strong if we used it .

SlickRic

Brady is in my Alternative XI who weren't picked.

some gems not taken, but the forward lines are saturated with quality, so it's no real surprise.

Denis Law
Jimmy Johnstone
was Glenn Hoddle picked?

even Christian Vieri (remember him!) might have been a handy pick for someone.

Bounty Hunter

Albertini & Donadoni from Milan I thought would be taken.

After a certain point I assumed Brady was aka ready gone. After the same lad took Best and Keane I was kinda hoping he would take him and McGrath or Irwin too later

Thought Greaves might have gone too along with Nobby Stiles

Red Crow

I was going to pick Brady but went for Falcao becuase I loved the guy just a bit more. On reflection I should of picked Brady for the recognition although Falcao was too good to pass up. I can't believe Brady wasn't picked.

Blatter

SlickRic wrote: »

Brady is in my Alternative XI who weren't picked.

some gems not taken, but the forward lines are saturated with quality, so it's no real surprise.

Denis Law
Jimmy Johnstone
was Glenn Hoddle picked?

even Christian Vieri (remember him!) might have been a handy pick for someone.

Ibrahimovic, Rooney, van Persie, Crespo, Paulo Rossi, Yaya Toure, Giles, Tigana, Blanc all would have been acceptable picks too.

Giuseppe Meazza is another who I don't think was picked and is widely regarded in many places as one of the greatest ever players. But not enough people would know much about him as he played in the 40s.

Knex*

Considered Law and Vieri for a while before going with Rummenigge.

bucketybuck

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

After a certain point I assumed Brady was aka ready gone. After the same lad took Best and Keane I was kinda hoping he would take him and McGrath or Irwin too later

I did actually seriously consider Brady, to the point of almost going with him, but Duncan Edwards was still available so it was very hard to look past him.

SlickRic

Zvonimir Boban.
Robert Prosinecki.
Guiseppe Bergomi.
Paolo Montero (one of my personal favourites).
the de Boers.
Billy Wright.
Rinat Dasoyev.

Blatter

Dixie Dean another one.

Klinsmann, Villa, Torres, Drogba would all have been acceptable too.

Jax Teller

Did anyone take Jairzinho ?

Felexicon

Jax Teller wrote: »

Did anyone take Jairzinho ?

Zinedine Kilbane not being snapped up was a shock

SlickRic

Jax Teller wrote: »

Did anyone take Jairzinho ?

someone definitely did.

Stojkovic and Savicevic are two others that could easily have gone.

Inzaghi too.

Felexicon

SlickRic wrote: »

someone definitely did.

Stojkovic and Savicevic are two others that could easily have gone.

Inzaghi too.

Inzaghi would have divided opinion more than any other pick.

I would have picked him though

LuckyLloyd

Johnny Giles probably had a case for inclusion too.

LuckyLloyd

SlickRic wrote: »

Zvonimir Boban.
Robert Prosinecki.
Guiseppe Bergomi.
Paolo Montero (one of my personal favourites).
the de Boers.
Billy Wright.
Rinat Dasoyev.

Dreadful ommission!!! :eek:

Julio Cesar was picked ffs!

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Dasoyev

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Zmuda----Charlton--Montero---Jarni

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Giles (C)

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Brady

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Savicivec

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Prosinecki

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Boban

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Vieri

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Not too shabby imo. You'd scalp tickets to see those three play in the middle together in their prime!!

PerrinV2

Were Kempes,Voller or Zico taken?

SlickRic

Voller and Kempes weren't.

my team.

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Rinat Dasoyev

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Guiseppe Bergomi----Billy Wright

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Paolo Montero

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F de Boer

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Arie Haan

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Glenn Hoddle

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Liam Brady

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Jimmy Johnstone

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Tom Finney

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Christian Vieri

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event

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Johnny Giles probably had a case for inclusion too.

cant fathom how he wasnt picked, arguably our best ever player

eugeneious

My final team. Any constrictive criticisms/opinions Would be appreciated!

jem

At this standard I would consider you a little weak in the back to be honest.
Dam good doing forward though

jem

Moneymaker wrote: »

Not too many would go in against that team but missing that piece of magic in the middle 2 of midfield

Blatter

Opinions on this please?

LuckyLloyd

eugeneious wrote: »

My final team. Any constrictive criticisms/opinions Would be appreciated!

Hmm, I wonder if Muller and Matthews are a bad fit amongst the rest of your side. Your midfield three and left side is delicious. Very flexible, technically proficient and creative. You'd see them all linking and swapping and making life a nightmare for opponents.

Then you'll have a fox in a box and a wizard hugging the right touchline. I wonder if they're too one dimensional to fit with the rest of your overall shape and style?

jem

Blatter wrote: »

Opinions on this please?

Would question is falco a legend yet. he may become one in the future but I dont think so at the min.
Love the middle 5 going forward, and it would take a while to get it off them , but don't know if you have enough there to get the ball back.

While your full backs are /were great players are they in the best 12 of all time in their positions- I dont think so personally.
Think silva is in the same position as falco

SlickRic

Blatter wrote: »

Opinions on this please?

a very strong team.

if I was being really picky, as good as Falcao is, in my interpretation of "legends", i think you maybe could've done better.

Silva would be a slight weak link for the same reason, but is also obviously a superb player.

your midfield is phenomenal and well balanced. Redondo, Neeskens and Zidane is pure majesty IMO. Rivaldo and Bergkamp also can't really be faulted at all.

Cole and Irwin, also superb, and also diverse in what they bring. Irwin, i know can quite easily play RB, but LB, as far as I'm aware was his preferred position. either way, he'd be as solid as a rock for you, so meh, it doesn't affect much for me.

you should be at the business end of the process quite easily IMO.

Jax Teller

jem wrote: »

Would question is falco a legend yet. he may become one in the future but I dont think so at the min.
Love the middle 5 going forward, and it would take a while to get it off them , but don't know if you have enough there to get the ball back.

While your full backs are /were great players are they in the best 12 of all time in their positions- I dont think so personally.
Think silva is in the same position as falco

As has been said before legends is only the name of the draft , there was no requirement to pick legends plus we all could have different definitions of legends .

I like it Blatter don't know a lot about Neeskens as a player though . I wonder will Zidane & Bergkamp get in each others way .

Bounty Hunter

musnt be any Arsenal fans drafting, Bergkamp going so late & Tony Adams not being picked. Wouldnt have been shocked if Overmars was picked too, although I think a lot of people didnt pick conventional RWs and instead took a versatile WF type

thought that scary fecker Schumacher might have been picked as one of the goalies too. first 4 matches will be up within the next few hours

Jax vs Pat
Knex vs Whatawaster
Moneymaker vs Blatter
G.K vs Eli Manning
Bounty Hunter vs Trippie

iirc G.K said he wouldnt be online much the next day or so, so my match vs Trippie will move up to being the 4th match and G.K can face Blatter in a few days

Blatter

SlickRic wrote: »

a very strong team.

if I was being really picky, as good as Falcao is, in my interpretation of "legends", i think you maybe could've done better.

Silva would be a slight weak link for the same reason, but is also obviously a superb player.

your midfield is phenomenal and well balanced. Redondo, Neeskens and Zidane is pure majesty IMO. Rivaldo and Bergkamp also can't really be faulted at all.

Cole and Irwin, also superb, and also diverse in what they bring. Irwin, i know can quite easily play RB, but LB, as far as I'm aware was his preferred position. either way, he'd be as solid as a rock for you, so meh, it doesn't affect much for me.

you should be at the business end of the process quite easily IMO.

Just on Irwin there, I think people think his preferred position was left back because he played there a lot for United. The reason why he played left back was because he was so comfortable there and the club had other very good right backs throughout his time like Parker and Neville. He was actually signed for United as a right back, had played there for Oldham and a lot of games there for Ireland (including WC 94). He was predominantly right footed (as seen with his set pieces) but obviously had a brilliant left foot too. The fullbacks positions are much the same job, once you can play one of them, the only thing stopping you from being able to play on the other side is the strength of your opposite foot. Irwin obviously had no issues here, as he showed several times.

I know you're not really criticising Irwin at right back at all but I wouldn't be surprised to see some have a bigger problem with it when in reality it's a non issue.

Thecon21

SlickRic wrote: »

a very strong team.

if I was being really picky, as good as Falcao is, in my interpretation of "legends", i think you maybe could've done better.

Silva would be a slight weak link for the same reason, but is also obviously a superb player.

It's not just legends included, modern and current players are included too and there is nothing wrong with either of Falcao and Silva, both fantastic players

Thecon21

Was Ronald Koeman picked?

Bounty Hunter

yep he was, hopefully someone will put up a full list of those drafted soon, as im about to put up the first 4 matches and im sure itd be handy to know who is on the opposing team before doing up a write up but at worst case Knex said he would throw up a picked players list this evening

SlickRic

Thecon21 wrote: »

It's not just legends included, modern and current players are included too and there is nothing wrong with either of Falcao and Silva, both fantastic players

i didn't say they weren't. in fact, i said they both were.

but because we're going throughout the history of the game, IMO, there are better picks. just my opinion. i don't think either qualify in the top 20/30 ever in their position ever yet.

i don't think that's a controversial statement to make.

G.K.

Blatter wrote: »

Opinions on this please?

Took the midfield pairing I had aimed for, as others have said, very strong.

Will just get a grid up.

G.K.

Moneymaker

GK:Peruzzi
RB:Anderson
CB:Ferrera
CB:Montero
LB:Sansom
CM:Ardilles
CM: Brady
RW:Johnstone
LW:Overmars
ST:Villa
ST:Drogba


Pretty good team that ^^

Just on my team, lots of people wondering why I went for Busquets and Makelele. Simple enough really, Stoichkov and Di Stefano will drift all over the place and i'm going to be relying on my fullbacks to get forward and provide natural width. This will leave me vulnerable to counter attacks so 2 DMs will make it much less likely i'll be exposed. Consider how many teams are stacked with attacking player it makes sense I think. Also i'll own the football vs pretty much anyone.

Knex*

Cheers for the threads Bounty Hunter. I'll have a write up posted around 7 or 8.

Looking forward to this!

Trippie

Been hectic last three days and lots of travelling involved so havent been around. Sorry about the delay in picks. How long do we have to do our write ups? Not sure I'll have time to do a fully detailed one right this minute so bountyHunter if you wish to just concede that would be great.

PhlegmyMoses

A lot of the great Serbs\Croats\Yugos overlooked. Also, how were people picking the likes of Torricelli and Tassotti ahead of Bergomi? He kept those players out of the Italian team for years, absolute legend. Ciro Ferrara was there to be had as well. Better than Montero the mentalist and the heartbeat of that Juve side. Was Jurgen Kohler picked actually? Andy Moller? He was awesome. Don't see any terrible omissions in the other positions.

Knex*

Added a basic writeup of my team to the match thread (here).

Looking forward to seeing people's opinions and discussing match ups etc.