Petition to Prioritise the Ring Road over the Central Access Scheme

pegasus1

Are you alergic to travel to the dublin rd, or any other artery to head into town? Cause you do do that on the ring road..
So if you want to head from say, comer direction, and you need to head to the castle, you can go down the dublin rd route or the castle rd via the ring road..it negates the reason to go through the centre...

kikel

inthehat wrote: »

I live 6 miles from KK and - no -it wouldn't be an option for normal day to day stuff like shopping, transporting kids, elderly family members etc. Are you suggesting that those of us who live outside the borough boundry shouldn't be bringing in cars and clogging up the town on the city-dwellers?? Maybe we should go back to going to town in the pony and cart:D??

Ah, ok, you live outside the ring road then. Wouldn't it be great to see it competed? Especially for people like yourselves that need to access a different side of the city.

What road do you live out?

kikel

pegasus1 wrote: »

Are you alergic to travel to the dublin rd, or any other artery to head into town? Cause you do do that on the ring road..
So if you want to head from say, comer direction, and you need to head to the castle, you can go down the dublin rd route or the castle rd via the ring road..it negates the reason to go through the centre...

The council really need to limit cross city traffic. Spent some time watching traffic today. It's amazing what the council are letting happen. The amount of busses that travel through the junction at the left bank. I totally understand we have to ferry our tourists to the castle but why send all these buses on that route. It total madness. There has to be an alternative.

foxcoverteddy

One can understand the problems people are experiencing with the river crossing, without doubt we need a new crossing our poor old Greens Bridge was not designed for today's traffic.
The problem is at least twofold, we should have had a completed ring road many years ago, at least we would not be in the current position, the other side is building a bridge for the CAS, which many of you are of the opinion is not going to alleviate the traffic situation.
Hang on, we pay council officials who put themselves forward as competent to run Kilkenny Ltd, we are in effect a company, in some cases the salary is audacious, but nevertheless we pay.
For twenty years we have been waiting for completion of the ring road, the said officials are more than aware that a large number of heavy goods vehicles come through the city, some from Glanbia on the Durrow road, others from the haulage company on the freshford road, and other local companies.
As Cabaal pointed out some come down Roberts Hill and over Kennyswell with its single file, traffic light system, in addition there is parking on this road up to the junction with the road past the Garda Station, the area being mainly residential, the CAS is not going to change this.
I cannot see the CAS is going to help traffic in Dean Street, parking is a cause of much of the problem, even meters will not make the road wider.
There is much to be debated without people letting their frustration show, most is down to incompetence elsewhere.

kikel

kikel wrote: »

Ah, ok, you live outside the ring road then. Wouldn't it be great to see it competed? Especially for people like yourselves that need to access a different side of the city.

What road do you live out?

Agreed Kikel - as I said in my previous post we need both a completed ring road and decent access to the city. At present Greensbridge is preventing decent access to the city as it's creating a bottleneck.

pegasus1

inthehat wrote: »

Agreed Kikel - as I said in my previous post we need both a completed ring road and decent access to the city. At present Greensbridge is preventing decent access to the city as it's creating a bottleneck.

Because the ringroad isn't compleated...once done, end of bottleneck at greens bridge

Isn't the northern section (Comer Rd to Freshford Rd)of the ring already on the cards? The compulsory purchase orders have been issued as far as I know. Granted we need the complete ring (from Callan rd) but the northern section would still be a massive improvement.

pegasus1

inthehat wrote: »

Isn't the northern section (Comer Rd to Freshford Rd)of the ring already on the cards? The compulsory purchase orders have been issued as far as I know. Granted we need the complete ring (from Callan rd) but the northern section would still be a massive improvement.

And where is the money coming from to complete the CPO's and build that section?...not from the CAS, as that money cant be reallocated...Which is stupid..

kikel

Really curious why people won't look at alternatives to the CAS. Cities around the world are trying to remove cars and trucks from cities. KK is going the opposite direction.

The council have refused to look at alternatives, they are implementing a plan from the 1970s. Times have changed, their is no need for the CAS in modern city. We need to look at alternatives. Our council were very short sighted, they had some amazing planner give opinion on the brewery site but never got professional opinion from these great planners in the CAS was needed. Why oh why didn't the council consult some experts on modern city design.

kikel

kikel wrote: »

Really curious why people won't look at alternatives to the CAS. Cities around the world are trying to remove cars and trucks from cities. KK is going the opposite direction.

The council have refused to look at alternatives, they are implementing a plan from the 1970s. Times have changed, their is no need for the CAS in modern city. We need to look at alternatives. Our council were very short sighted, they had some amazing planner give opinion on the brewery site but never got professional opinion from these great planners in the CAS was needed. Why oh why didn't the council consult some experts on modern city design.

Provision of lots of cheap parking near the centre of town would be a start. While I agree we need to keep heavy traffic out of the city we also need to bring people in to shop in the centre. It's awful to see all the cars parked in the big retail centres on the Ring Rd while the High St traders are struggling and closing down. We need to keep the centre vibrant and alive.

catbear

It's funny how people supporting the congestion acceleration scheme have presented the most compelling argument against it.

Rantan

inthehat wrote: »

Provision of lots of cheap parking near the centre of town would be a start. While I agree we need to keep heavy traffic out of the city we also need to bring people in to shop in the centre. It's awful to see all the cars parked in the big retail centres on the Ring Rd while the High St traders are struggling and closing down. We need to keep the centre vibrant and alive.

turn the mart site into a cheap Park and ride couple of quid for a full day or long term deals for people using it every day ...use small buses...all the tour buses could park there and most people who wanted to shop etc. bus every 5 - 10mins...one going into city centre down johns st and one going across greens bridge/new CAS bridge...

pegasus1

Maybe we should send this guy to talk to the Kkcc..

http://http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-planners-making-motorists-happy-and-pedestrians-miserable-641376.html

pegasus1

Rantan wrote: »

turn the mart site into a cheap Park and ride couple of quid for a full day or long term deals for people using it every day ...use small buses...all the tour buses could park there and most people who wanted to shop etc. bus every 5 - 10mins...one going into city centre down johns st and one going across greens bridge/new CAS bridge...

I think they had a go at this...only lasted a short while..

What we really need is a public bus route...1 or two buses doing a largish route would do, calling to main areas round the burbs of the city, for a start...then maybe expand to surrounding villages..

Rantan

Rantan wrote: »

turn the mart site into a cheap Park and ride couple of quid for a full day or long term deals for people using it every day ...use small buses...all the tour buses could park there and most people who wanted to shop etc. bus every 5 - 10mins...one going into city centre down johns st and one going across greens bridge/new CAS bridge...

Exactly - also a large site of waste ground at Robertshill and the grounds of Canices Hospital. Encourage workers to leave cars here and walk/bus into centre. Any of these sites are only 5 or ten mins walk to High St.

pegasus1

I think where the tourbuses park is ideal for tourists as it allows tourists not to get lost..though only the other week i had a lost tourist ask me where their bus was..they were down by the blaa blaa blaa..

It gives them a great park in which for them to pass their time waiting for the time that their bus leaves, i think when they do put in a one way system, that the problem with buses will disappear..

foxcoverteddy

There appears no end to the discussion on "the bridge" and the CAS.
The delay is reputed to be costing us something like 14K a day, now one asks when a council acting imprudently; who pays for the delay is it again us who voted this democratically elected body.?
Depending on the conservation case, should the council be found at fault who pay's us or are the council insured for such events, I am not sure if the ruling regarding conservation which may have been breached comes under the heading of not acting with all due care and diligence.
If it is true that the CAS scheme first arose in the 1970's, it is obviously not relevant today, and in view of the presentations by "experts" was prejudiced
by the original plan.
If one might ask we are employing "experts" what happened to the people we elected who were responsible for running our city.
It really is a no brainer to keep using Kennyswell and Circular Road for heavy goods vehicles, even I with limited knowledge can see the urgent need for a completion of the ring road, even parts of that are questionable,
the exit from Woodies, how long did it take them to put a barrier to stop right turning traffic, even now there is little sense sending west bound vehicles down to the Waterford roundabout, there was a lack of traffic management.
Whilst on the subject of traffic management, the Callan road has been waiting for an upgrade for at least twenty years, it has been said this will be done, take a deep breath, the Durrow road to Glanbia factory is unbelievable, Sirs I would suggest that we are carrying unwanted baggage.
Foxy

Cabaal

inthehat wrote: »

It's awful to see all the cars parked in the big retail centres on the Ring Rd while the High St traders are struggling and closing down. We need to keep the centre vibrant and alive.

They are?
I'm not seeing too many vacant units on high street, if anything we've had new units setup in high street and friary street as of late. Infact others like Goods are even expanding and setting up in Waterford so they can't be doing too bad.

Its funny, the CAS gets built and I guarantee Tesco will follow. Then you'll really see retailers struggle.

Cabaal

inthehat wrote: »

Exactly - also a large site of waste ground at Robertshill and the grounds of Canices Hospital. Encourage workers to leave cars here and walk/bus into centre. Any of these sites are only 5 or ten mins walk to High St.

That could work, if the parking was free or cheap enough. This would then free up more spaces in town where people that want to do business during the day could park.

Of course its hard for any council people to be for such an idea when they get free central parking in the city to begin with, this means it doesn't affect them so its not a problem as far as they are concerned.

They don't have to park up near Kierans or on the Kells road and walk into the city in order to not be killed with parking charges each day.

foxcoverteddy

Honestly, I don't think the cost of parking is prohibitive in this day and age, it is the lack of decent parking for the workers at a reasonable rate, though in all fairness this is not only applicable to Kilkenny many other towns have the same problem.
The CAS is not going to help, but knocking the old Cash and Carry in New Street might alleviate the problem, 10 euro for the week, easy walk to the High Street, if you put tourists up on the mart site you are on a loser there is nothing in John Street, not even a toilet.
We need to encourage tourists, if I see a foreign registered car I always wave to them, Kilkenny needs tourism.
International Foxy

foxcoverteddy

It is not often I disagree with Cabaal, yes if they put Tesco in the brewery site it could be a disaster, but hold on, surely the other superstores have created havoc with some of the traders, Tesco is no different to Dunnes, there is no magic formula to drag you in, our little shops really do not compete with multi nationals all they do is stop the footfall on main drags.
The rot set in many years ago with supermarkets thank goodness, can you imagine people queuing at different counters today.
The CAS is not going to cause the high street any problems except the road around the brewery site is going to be virtually blocked whilst building takes place, unless equipment is coming by boaty, ha ha.

Help!!!!

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

It is not often I disagree with Cabaal, yes if they put Tesco in the brewery site it could be a disaster, but hold on, surely the other superstores have created havoc with some of the traders, Tesco is no different to Dunnes, there is no magic formula to drag you in, our little shops really do not compete with multi nationals all they do is stop the footfall on main drags.
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Tesco is not the problem, the problem would be opening another shopping mall when the others have empty units

Cabaal

Help!!!! wrote: »

Tesco is not the problem, the problem would be opening another shopping mall when the others have empty units

There's not too many empty units in marketcross and mcdonaugh these days, though there are certainly tonnes of empty units in the mall in high street...not sure if thats a long term plan to close the place or what.

pegasus1

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

if I see a foreign registered car I always wave to them

Foxcoverteddy is quite possibly the reason kilkenny is the 9th friendliest city..:D

foxcoverteddy

Do councillors have to declare an interest in property adjoining or near to developments, presume this might include family interest, anyone know? Or might benefit financially from such developments?

foxcoverteddy

I was under the impression that council workers had to pay for parking as it was part of their remuneration? Anyone confirm?
As for another mall in the brewery site, that is about the most short sighted idea, it may well be the CAS is linked to that end.
The brewery site surely must be something that will stand the test of time, something we can all be proud of, back to a University, not connected with Carlow or Waterford or Maynooth, a specialised University with colleges for various subjects.
I personally reckon the buildings should be on classical lines, timeless, we see how short lived modern structures are.
Foxy

Jesper

mountcisco wrote: »

So you want "footloose industries" as you call them, on the Diageo site? If they're footloose they're here today and gone tomorrow to another phone line and desk. Good riddance is what I say.

Mountcisco - Most industry is now footloose. The days of mining, large manufacturing industry (Cars/boats etc), even large high cost facilities like Dell/Pharmaceutical etc. are not tied to any particular location now.

O and btw since you don't want any industry/services in Kilkenny you should also realise that tourism is the most fickle industry.

nuttz

Jesper wrote: »

Mountcisco - Most industry is now footloose. The days of mining, large manufacturing industry (Cars/boats etc), even large high cost facilities like Dell/Pharmaceutical etc. are not tied to any particular location now.

O and btw since you don't want any industry/services in Kilkenny you should also realise that tourism is the most fickle industry.

I wouldn't necessarily agree that most industry is now footloose.

A stream of local graduates(i.e. a third level institution producing high quality graduates that will enhance a companies current workforce skillset), as well as good infrastructure (Train stations, airports, ports) are all significant factors for larger Multinationals/Pharmaceuticals when it comes to choice of location. With those points in mind, Kilkenny is going to struggle to attract Multinationals/Pharmaceuticals with competition from other cities like Waterford, Cork, Limerick, Galway.

Help!!!!

Jesper wrote: »

Mountcisco - Most industry is now footloose. The days of mining, large manufacturing industry (Cars/boats etc), even large high cost facilities like Dell/Pharmaceutical etc. are not tied to any particular location now.

O and btw since you don't want any industry/services in Kilkenny you should also realise that tourism is the most fickle industry.

Cant industry be put on the outskirts of Kilkenny? That way it dosent have an affect on the tourist parts.

catbear

Help!!!! wrote: »

Cant industry be put on the outskirts of Kilkenny? That way it dosent have an affect on the tourist parts.

What's this obsession with heavy industry? Few places can compete with Kilkenny's tourist appeal. If anything there's great opportunity to build on cultural product, look at cartoon saloon.