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  • #32
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Mr Benevolent wrote: »
    Same could be said for democracy and a hundred other pervasive beliefs.

    How is democracy like believing in psychic mumbojumbo, ghosts or gods?

    I have evidence that democracy exists.

    There is no evidence of the others being real.

    None whatsoever!!!

    None!!!

    Zip!!!


  • #33
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    I have no problem with so-called psychics extracting money from gullible idiots. If they didn't give it to psychics they'd give it to a homoeopath or a snake-oil salesman or a priest


  • #34
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    chris_ie wrote: »
    As people have said they could be dangerous in a way. Some people are in to them in a big way. These people could be happy in their relationships and have a great life. If a psychic was to tell them that there was something wrong with their relationship or that difficult times were ahead if could have a negative affect on their life. So they think something bad is down the line and end up creating it themselves.

    Of course there is that pyschic in the states who told a few people their missing kids were dead (including the one that escaped from the house she was held in).,Some girl also asked what her father said to her right before he died, he whispered and she couldn't understand him, this psychic said that the father had told her he was not her real dad!

    hahaha maybe he wasnt?!


  • #35
    Gorilla Rising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭Gorilla Rising


    Mr Benevolent wrote: »
    Same could be said for democracy and a hundred other pervasive beliefs.

    And you can use the same 'the same could be said for argument' for anything.

    In the context of psychics and mediums, which this is thread is about, it's a valid statement.

    People are too willing to attribute something to the supernatural without giving it an ounce of thought. It's insane.

    These people (the ones I feel sorry for - grieving and looking for answers) are taken advantage of by the likes of John Edwards, Sally Morgan, James Van Praagh etc. And it's just plain despicable.


  • #36
    chris_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭chris_ie


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    hahaha maybe he wasnt?!

    Ha, quite possible I suppose! Imagine being told that! I'll see if I can dig up the video at some point.


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  • #37
    Gorilla Rising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭Gorilla Rising


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    i know that some people use psychics for therapeutic reasons

    These people are kidding themselves and trot out that line to make themselves seem less stupid for going to the psychic. Have they no family or friends to talk to? Failing that, speaking to a professional would be of more help.



    frank reynolds wrote: »
    it's the same as going to a "qualified" therapist. that's nonsense in my estimations too, and just because they go to university to get a degree in psychology or whatever, doesnt make the opinion of a therapist/councillor any more valid than that of someone who claims to be a psychic, when, in the end, the result is the same: the client feeling better about themselves.

    I'm no expert, but I'm sure psychology etc is more about getting to the bottom of why a person feels a certain way and working through it. To say it's just and opinion is oversimplifying it. There are methods to it.
    frank reynolds wrote: »
    i think there is a lot of people on threads like this, that just say they "dont believe" or it's a crock of sh!te to make themselves look sorted and intelligent.

    Weak argument. It's akin to the rubbish "you're just jealous" retort.


  • #38
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    Gorilla Rising wrote: »
    And you can use the same 'the same could be said for argument' for anything.

    In the context of psychics and mediums, which this is thread is about, it's a valid statement.

    People are too willing to attribute something to the supernatural without giving it an ounce of thought. It's insane.

    These people (the ones I feel sorry for - grieving and looking for answers) are taken advantage of by the likes of John Edwards, Sally Morgan, James Van Praagh etc. And it's just plain despicable.

    that's not necessarily true though. the people in the audience pay a couple of quid to go and see these psychics, and they come out, on the most part, feeling better, and having gotten "answers" of some sort, even if they're made up, they still make the grieving people feel better to a certain degree, so whats wrong with that?

    i dont believe any of it is real for a second, but i think that they are given a bad rep from people because they think they're taking advantage.

    i would actually love to do some sort of experiment, using a "real" therapist or councillor as a control and see what differences there is, in terms of satisfaction of the client after the session....

    leave them spend their money on them if they wish


  • #39
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    they still make the grieving people feel better to a certain degree, so whats wrong with that?

    They're preying on vulnerable people in order to get money off them and become rich. That's wrong on a moral level. If you had a vulnerable relative in the throes of grief and he/she started siphoning off cash to a predator who thrived on their weakness would you be happy about it?

    It's a form of con-artistry. Some people "smash and grab" with their cons and run off with a sum of money, others string a person along with manipulation and take money off them gradually. They're lying bastards, parasites who sponge on those in difficulty.

    The "bit of comfort" reasoning is nonsesne to be honest.


  • #40
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    FTA69 wrote: »
    They're preying on vulnerable people in order to get money off them and become rich. That's wrong on a moral level. If you had a vulnerable relative in the throes of grief and he/she started siphoning off cash to a predator who thrived on their weakness would you be happy about it?

    It's a form of con-artistry. Some people "smash and grab" with their cons and run off with a sum of money, others string a person along with manipulation and take money off them gradually. They're lying bastards, parasites who sponge on those in difficulty.

    The "bit of comfort" reasoning is nonsesne to be honest.

    yeah i agree that some of them are snakey like that. i'm more talking along the lines of a gypsy fortune teller or something like that, that you would visit, and not these tv psychics.

    would you prefer a vulnerable grieving relative to hit the bottle instead?


  • #41
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    i would actually love to do some sort of experiment, using a "real" therapist or councillor as a control and see what differences there is, in terms of satisfaction of the client after the session....

    As opposed to actual, medically approved methods of therapy that are known to work?

    A psychic doesn't get to the root of the problem, help you process it, and ultimately build upon your coping mechanisms. They give answers the person wants to hear rather than what they need to hear.

    If it were a choice between sending someone to a psychic or a therapist, then it would be incredibly naive to recommend the former for long-term beneficial results that will actually apply to their lives.

    You wouldn't send someone with depression or an addiction to a psychic.


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  • #42
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    yeah i agree that some of them are snakey like that. i'm more talking along the lines of a gypsy fortune teller or something like that, that you would visit, and not these tv psychics.

    would you prefer a vulnerable grieving relative to hit the bottle instead?
    frank reynolds wrote:
    they still make the grieving people feel better to a certain degree, so whats wrong with that?

    Exactly.
    Hey, how about we do a study where one group gets to see a psychic, and the other gets as much drink as they want. And then we check which group feels more satisfied afterwards.


  • #43
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    As opposed to actual, medically approved methods of therapy that are known to work?

    A psychic doesn't get to the root of the problem, help you process it, and ultimately build upon your coping mechanisms. They give answers the person wants to hear rather than what they need to hear.

    If it were a choice between sending someone to a psychic or a therapist, then it would be incredibly naive to recommend the former for long-term beneficial results that will actually apply to their lives.

    You wouldn't send someone with depression or an addiction to a psychic.


    yeah that's all well and good, but what about someone who can't afford to spend 150€ per hour with a therapist over the course of several weeks, months OR even years?

    what if the person WANTS to hear some bullsh!t to feel better, knowing it is bullsh!t, but it does the trick at the time?

    therapy IS nonsense, if you can't back it up with the money!


  • #44
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Hey, how about we do a study where one group gets to see a psychic, and the other gets as much drink as they want. And then we check which group feels more satisfied afterwards.

    eh, the people who went to the psychic - they wont be hungover....:confused:


  • #45
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    yeah that's all well and good, but what about someone who can't afford to spend 150€ per hour with a therapist over the course of several weeks, months OR even years?

    what if the person WANTS to hear some bullsh!t to feel better, knowing it is bullsh!t, but it does the trick at the time?

    therapy IS nonsense, if you can't back it up with the money!

    Why is therapy nonsense? Or counseling, or psychology?


  • #46
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    yeah that's all well and good, but what about someone who can't afford to spend 150€ per hour with a therapist over the course of several weeks, months OR even years?

    €150 an hour!?! Maybe if you were going to a celebrity therapist or a rip-off merchant which, in no matter what service, there'll always be a few.
    what if the person WANTS to hear some bullsh!t to feel better, knowing it is bullsh!t, but it does the trick at the time?

    It'll only be temporary and won't go any way towards helping whatever they're suffering from.

    How would a psychic help someone with depression, suffering flashbacks from something traumatic, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, phobias, conditions like OCD, personality disorders, etc?
    therapy IS nonsense, if you can't back it up with the money!

    Why is it nonsense? What makes therapy nonsense in particular?


  • #47
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    €150 an hour!?! Maybe if you were going to a celebrity therapist or a rip-off merchant which, in no matter what service, there'll always be a few.



    It'll only be temporary and won't go any way towards helping whatever they're suffering from.

    How would a psychic help someone with depression, suffering flashbacks from something traumatic, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, phobias, conditions like OCD, personality disorders, etc?


    Why is it nonsense? What makes therapy nonsense in particular?

    ah look, i've been worn down to becoming a bit of a troll on this thread at this stage, so i'm going to opt out now.

    just on the argument of; everyone to their own, dont be so irish and knowitall just because your opinion is different doesnt make it the right one.


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nikewall wrote: »
    Ever just want to punch them in the face?

    Only if they smile.

    Because it is always good to strike a happy medium.


  • #49
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    tin79 wrote: »
    Money well spent kidding yourself tbh. Which is fine and all but lets be realistic.
    Who cares though? if something that ultimately has a therapeutic effect involves some degree of momentary personal deception?

    What's with this self-congratulatory "lets do it the hard way" BS?

    It reminds me of MDMA Therapy - the use of a psychoactive agent to trick the body into dealing with a stressor, and thereby allowing the individual to get on with their lives.

    Seems fair enough.

    I don't believe in astrology, but I can see that it might be of some comfort to people; it's possible it can do more good than harm in a number of specific situations.


  • #50
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    It'll only be temporary and won't go any way towards helping whatever they're suffering from.
    How do you know?


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Who cares though? if something that ultimately has a therapeutic effect involves some degree of momentary personal deception?

    I know this one!

    Epidemiologists!


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  • #52
    DaithiMa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    It reminds me of MDMA Therapy - the use of a psychoactive agent to trick the body into dealing with a stressor, and thereby allowing the individual to get on with their lives.

    Now you're talking!! Forget therapists, shrinks and psychics. All you need is a nice big bag of mdma!!


  • #53
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    what about fortune tellers, what do people think of them?


    + arguing about physics & therapists is a bit pointless is it not - people go to physics to be told about deceased who they were close too, etc. they're looking for that.
    whereas visiting therapists are about overcoming the problem on your own, through yourself - you're not looking to here about the deceased being happy or whatever

    each to their own & all that
    don't really get the outrage & being offended on others behalf


  • #54
    RossFixxxed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Anyone who claims to be speaking to a dead loved one of yours is a piece of sub human filth.

    Especially if they do it for money.

    Oh and if that seems offensive, the spirits are saying something...

    I'm getting a letter 'F', does that mean anything? And a 'U'? F and U.


    F U


  • #55
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    RossFixxxed wrote: »
    Anyone who claims to be speaking to a dead loved one of yours is a piece of sub human filth.

    Especially if they do it for money.

    Oh and if that seems offensive, the spirits are saying something...

    I'm getting a letter 'F', does that mean anything? And a 'U'? F and U.


    F U

    To quote Homer Simpson
    "It takes two to lie Lisa, one to lie and one to listen"

    If someone told me they were talking to me long lost relative then I'd laugh in their face. It's little different to priests acting as a conduit for some god or other


  • #56
    CrazyRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    Stupid people. Don't they know that all you have to do is split open a Lyon's teabag, make some tea and then read the leaves at the end of the cup? So much cheaper.


  • #57
    RossFixxxed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    To quote Homer Simpson
    "It takes two to lie Lisa, one to lie and one to listen"

    If someone told me they were talking to me long lost relative then I'd laugh in their face. It's little different to priests acting as a conduit for some god or other

    I agree to a fair degree, it is just that some people may beso bereaved, so distraught and traumatised that they may be vunerable to these leeches. These insidious little vampires capatilising on the worst day of someone's life.

    They should be declassified from 'human' to something far lower. They are absolute dirt in my eyes.


  • #58
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    RossFixxxed wrote: »
    I agree to a fair degree, it is just that some people may beso bereaved, so distraught and traumatised that they may be vunerable to these leeches. These insidious little vampires capatilising on the worst day of someone's life.
    I know an IACP accredited psychotherapist who will charge you €70 to play in a sandbox. Seriously.

    All sorts of people enjoy a financial benefit from misery - undertakers, psychotherapists, bailiffs - it's not a legitimate criticism in itself.

    If your argument is that psychics are quacks, I'd agree with you. But there are plenty of quacks out there. Let people do what they want with their money, their choice.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,331 ✭ [Deleted User]


    aw i miss the psychics on tv3 they were such a laugh while hanging with the boardies


  • #60
    RossFixxxed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    I know an IACP accredited psychotherapist who will charge you €70 to play in a sandbox. Seriously.

    All sorts of people enjoy a financial benefit from misery - undertakers, psychotherapists, bailiffs - it's not a legitimate criticism in itself.

    If your argument is that psychics are quacks, I'd agree with you. But there are plenty of quacks out there. Let people do what they want with their money, their choice.

    It is a valid criticism. At least some therapists care and really help. Medium is deliberately exploiting the vulnerable. Every time. It's all a lie.

    Psychics is just silly nonsense. Mediums are below contempt.

    That said those quacks are dirt too. Just because other people are awful doesn't give them an ok.

    Those EXPLOITING the vulnerable, as opposed to undertakers who are profiting but necessary, are what I'm giving out about.

    On my phone sorry if gibberish.


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  • #61
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    what about fortune tellers, what do people think of them?


    + arguing about physics & therapists is a bit pointless is it not - people go to physics to be told about deceased who they were close too, etc. they're looking for that.
    whereas visiting therapists are about overcoming the problem on your own, through yourself - you're not looking to here about the deceased being happy or whatever

    each to their own & all that
    don't really get the outrage & being offended on others behalf

    Went to one once, was offered a cheap 'basic' and a more expensive 'detailed' fortune telling...struck me as a cold reading exercise, nothing at all paranormal about it.


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