Sky Ireland Fibre Broadband

positron

Fair play. I would have done the same as you if Sky were to offer me that for six months. They didn't, so I am getting Vodafone Fibre enabled today, and terminated Sky TV as well. I hope they do come up with some great fibre offer this year, I look forward to switching back to them.

ElNino

positron wrote: »

I hope they do come up with some great fibre offer this year, I look forward to switching back to them.

Aren't you tied into an 18 month contract with Vodafone now?

positron

^^ Yep I am. I chose that for 35 pm compared to staying with Sky at close to 50 pm and with the uncertainty of fibre etc, also average speed is like 3 mbps here.

Alessia7

Well done ah-watch for getting sky to give you it for €20 a month I'd never switch to voda was with them for 1 month a true nightmare and they let me switch without paying a disconnection fee! Sky are really longing out the fibre release. It'll be at least 6 months I reckon!

kaizersoze

Sky biggest stumbling block against them launching fibre is their lack of network and backhaul capacity. The same problem they're having with their DSL service.

Their sales and provisioning isn't that much different than what they're already doing.

AlanS181824

I'm ringing up on 18/3 to try cancel for my contract that ends 18/4, I hope they give me some no contract discounted offer then I can stick around hopefully long enough for them to launch Fibre. I don't want to leave as I really like their little Hub, I've heard some people say it's atrocious but it uses so little electricity and It's lovely and small.

crawler

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I'm ringing up on 18/3 to try cancel for my contract that ends 18/4, I hope they give me some no contract discounted offer then I can stick around hopefully long enough for them to launch Fibre. I don't want to leave as I really like their little Hub, I've heard some people say it's atrocious but it uses so little electricity and It's lovely and small.

...and will need to be replaced when you get fibre anyway (It's ADSL only)

AlanS181824

crawler wrote: »

...and will need to be replaced when you get fibre anyway (It's ADSL only)

Yeah with the little black Hub. SR102, should hopefully be as good or better than the current.

Chris The Hacker

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Yeah with the little black Hub. SR102, should hopefully be as good or better than the current.

They're both pieces of shít, to be honest. I don't ever want to see a router/hub as restrictive as the Sky hub. Anyway, I read the review of the newer one and it's almost as shít:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/sky-hub-2013_Peripheral_review

positron

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I really like their little Hub..It's lovely and small.

I agree. You should see the Vodafone fibre modem - about the size of an A4 sheet - or as wide and half as tall as my HP microserver. In white. It's really thin and flat, but as far as I can tell it's not wall mountable as all the cables are coming out 90 degrees to the wall. Eircom router is also just bad I think - but black. Disgusting coming from small Sky setup.

degsie

crawler wrote: »

...and will need to be replaced when you get fibre anyway (It's ADSL only)

Not true. VDSL can be connected via one of the ethernet ports. At least this is case in the UK.

Nonoperational

degsie wrote: »

Not true. VDSL can be connected via one of the ethernet ports. At least this is case in the UK.

Doubt it's compliant with Eircom's vectoring plans though. Not sure if a software update could take care of that or not...

fat-tony

degsie wrote: »

Not true. VDSL can be connected via one of the ethernet ports. At least this is case in the UK.

VDSL is a phone line modulation technique - it's not ethernet. The eFibre connection on the NTU can be used with an RJ11 or an RJ45 plug, but it's just a single pair of wires back to the modem.

degsie

fat-tony wrote: »

VDSL is a phone line modulation technique - it's not ethernet. The eFibre connection on the NTU can be used with an RJ11 or an RJ45 plug, but it's just a single pair of wires back to the modem.

True, but in the UK a separate modem is installed and this has RJ45 out and so gets connected to the hub via an ethernet connection.

The newer SKY hub is self install (again in the UK) and you just connect the phone line directly into the hub, no need for a NTU.

http://recombu.com/digital/news/sky-fibre-hub-is-first-to-allow-fibre-broadband-self-install_M12412.html

SpaceTime

positron wrote: »

I agree. You should see the Vodafone fibre modem - about the size of an A4 sheet - or as wide and half as tall as my HP microserver. In white. It's really thin and flat, but as far as I can tell it's not wall mountable as all the cables are coming out 90 degrees to the wall. Eircom router is also just bad I think - but black. Disgusting coming from small Sky setup.

You realise it's actually a different technology and audio combines a VoIP adapter.

In the UK BT openreach provides the FTTC service. you actually have to use their VDSL2 modem and the Sky Hub is plugged into that just as a modemless router.

That new sky hub with VDSL2 modem is just the same setup used by the ISPs here.

The engineer installation is HIGHLY advisable with VDSL2 installations as they need to ensure the internal wiring is up to scratch and fit a central splitter.

I don't think eircom is allowing self installation as they don't want support calls afterwards.

fat-tony

degsie wrote: »

True, but in the UK a separate modem is installed and this has RJ45 out and so gets connected to the hub via an ethernet connection.

The newer SKY hub is self install (again in the UK) and you just connect the phone line directly into the hub, no need for a NTU.

http://recombu.com/digital/news/sky-fibre-hub-is-first-to-allow-fibre-broadband-self-install_M12412.html

Ok, but in Ireland, the ISP supplies the modem/router and eircom(kn) install the master socket which includes the VDSL filter - no self-install allowed at this stage. If SKY want to supply a hub which includes a modem (as per the video you linked), then they will not have to supply a filter as it's built in to the NTU.

SpaceTime

Eircom won't be likely to allow self install simply because they can't guarantee there will be any NTU or that the internal wiring makes sense.

The new filtered NTU isolates off all your internal wiring. So it can't cause interference

Self install isn't an amazing innovation. Its the UK ISPs being too cheap to pay for an engineer.

AlanS181824

positron wrote: »

I agree. You should see the Vodafone fibre modem - about the size of an A4 sheet - or as wide and half as tall as my HP microserver. In white. It's really thin and flat, but as far as I can tell it's not wall mountable as all the cables are coming out 90 degrees to the wall. Eircom router is also just bad I think - but black. Disgusting coming from small Sky setup.

I had Vodafone (Non Fibre) before and Chorus ages before that. The Vodafone router is huge, the only feature I like is the USB ports so you can connect a hard drive or other USB peripheral. I have an electricity meter thing that can monitor usage and it uses virtually none. I'd love it if Sky brought out a 802.11ac Hub but that probably won't happen.. For a while.

Alessia7

A sky rep called to our house today, I asked him when sky where rolling out fibre, and he said at the end of April! Is there any truth to this??

Nonoperational

Unlikely but you'd never know.

SpaceTime

The access gateways are actually pretty sophisticated though:

• VDSL2 Modem that supports vectoring.
• Router.
• WiFi hub.
• 2 Port VoIP telephony adaptor that allows connection of telephones (not used by all ISPs, but present on all of their access gateways).
• Most seem to have additional features like USB connections for printer or HDD
• Also eircom's device has extra functionality to support IPTV.

Compared to the current generation Sky Hub, they're actually much more complex devices.

If you want to see a neater one, Digiweb use the FritzBox 7360.

http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7360/index.php

Nicely made German device.

I don't think the Sky Hub's THAT small either. It's a very 'fat' device.

Jimmyireland

Alessia7 wrote: »

A sky rep called to our house today, I asked him when sky where rolling out fibre, and he said at the end of April! Is there any truth to this??

Did the rep say what year

itsirishfarmer

sky just uses eircom lines,i presume eircom does not have to allow others to use its fiber

OneEightSeven

itsirishfarmer wrote: »

sky just uses eircom lines,i presume eircom does not have to allow others to use its fiber

You presume wrong and it's not even fiber, it's VDSL/FTTC. Magnet, Vodafone and Digiweb resell eircom's VDSL product.

degsie

OneEightSeven wrote: »

You presume wrong and it's not even fiber, it's VDSL/FTTC. Magnet, Vodafone and Digiweb resell eircom's VDSL product.

You presume wrong! The clue is in the name. So yes there is fibre involved.

OneEightSeven

degsie wrote: »

You presume wrong! The clue is in the name. So yes there is fibre involved.

I never said it wasn't involved. Fiber optic broadband is generally accepted as FTTH (fiber to the home); so you're wrong, too.

degsie

OneEightSeven wrote: »

I never said it wasn't involved. Fiber optic broadband is generally accepted as FTTH (fiber to the home); so you're wrong, too.

Sure. BTW it's fibre

amdaley28

Settle down girls.
Children these days.
Always fighting

My understanding is that its fibre most of the way & then copper for the rest of the journey to your house.
Maybe someone can set me right on this ?

degsie

amdaley28 wrote: »

My understanding is that its fibre most of the way & then copper for the rest of the journey to your house.
Maybe someone can set me right on this ?

amdaley28

degsie wrote: »

Thanks for that.:)
As they say one picture is better than a thousand words.